The Official Serenity Thread! (Make no more)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Blue Sun were not in the series or movie much though, so why are they so important?

 

[Archangel]

Because they have EVERYTHING to do with River being how she is. You could just tell that Joss had big things planned for them in the series before it got cancelled.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I wouldn't mind finding out more about this "Umbrella" corp, but I think that story should be in the back ground. The movie Serenity covered a lot of ground for River, and while there are still a ton of questions, I think it would be a better story if it unfolds slowly.

For example, Side story scenes disclosing that Blue Sun was the original creator of the air treatment supplement that poisoned all those people on Miranda. The scenes could imply that Blue Sun knew that there was a possiblity that the effects could render an entire population helpless, and just wanted to test their new "weapon" on a mass scale. So they lied to the Alliance about what it would do.

 

[The Question]

Blue Sun were not in the series or movie much though, so why are they so important?

Because Joss has said in interveiws that the have ALOT of influence over the Alliance. They funded the Acadamy that experimented on River and all of her classmates (heh, wouldn't it be cool if we met some of the other kids being experimented on?). In the series, remember when River ripped the labels off of those cans of food? And when she slashed Jayne's chest with a knife? Well, in both instances, Blue Sun was involved. The cans were Blue Sun products, and Jayne was wearing a Blue Sun T-shirt.

I wouldn't mind finding out more about this "Umbrella" corp, but I think that story should be in the back ground. The movie Serenity covered a lot of ground for River, and while there are still a ton of questions, I think it would be a better story if it unfolds slowly.

For example, Side story scenes disclosing that Blue Sun was the original creator of the air treatment supplement that poisoned all those people on Miranda. The scenes could imply that Blue Sun knew that there was a possiblity that the effects could render an entire population helpless, and just wanted to test their new "weapon" on a mass scale. So they lied to the Alliance about what it would do.

Might be interesting. Although, what Joss was trying to do with the Pax was to say that the Alliance means well, but imposing your way of life on others, no matter how morally right or enlightened it is, just makes things worse. Still, Blue Sun could be the dark underbelly of the Alliance's utopia. The Alliance does all the nice happy Star Trek-ian stuff. Blue Sun does the covert assasinations and the like.

 

[The Question]

Anyway, has anyone heard the full version of the Firefly theme song? If not, here's a link to a video with the song:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=-TQmZDceS7k&search=mal%27s%20song

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think it would be really funny and interesting if River got a love interest in the next movie. Could make for some funny instances as they are bound to take more crew.

I didnt know that about the Blue Sun Corporation, thanks guys, i'll look out for the sign more often in the series.

 

[The Question]

I think it would be really funny and interesting if River got a love interest in the next movie. Could make for some funny instances as they are bound to take more crew.

That could be cool. Like I said, I had an idea for a new character:


A new kid from the acadamy shows up. He said that he had escaped after hearing what Mal and the crew did with the Miranda beacon. Sort of inspired him. He has psychic abilities, and he's a genius with machines, mostly with piloting and electronics. Personality wise, he's completely out of his mind. Not crazy in the way River's crazy. No, he's Deadpool crazy. Here's an example of Deadpool crazy:



He's River's friend, and you could have him as a quasi love interest if you want. Physically, he doesn't look overly amazing. As in, he's not insanely ripped or anything. Throughout the season or series of movies or whatever, w also see a figure clad in black, tracking the crew and confronting them on occasion. In a few instances, he has met with our young pilot, and spoken to him as if they were working together. The young pilot, in these situations, would seem much more sane, and often say that he'll find a way to stop the man in black. The man in black wopuld reply that if they knew the truth, they would not accept the young pilot. During these situations, the man in black would be in the shadows, and rather hard to see. Eventually, we'd discover that the young pilot and the man in black are one and the same. The Acadamy gave him a case of multiple personality disorder to insure that he wouldn't be caught. He would take out the crew, and fight River. While the two would be fighting to the death physically, she and the two personalities would be calmly talking mentally. Eventually, she'd help the two personalities fuse together into one, who would free the crew and become very anti-alliance.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Anyway, has anyone heard the full version of the Firefly theme song? If not, here's a link to a video with the song:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=-TQmZDceS7k&search=mal%27s%20song

She's good, but the singer in the TV episode credits I prefer. Thanks for the link

 

[The Question]

I tried to find the origional singer singing it, but it was not to be had. Still, kick ass song either way.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Because Joss has said in interveiws that the have ALOT of influence over the Alliance. They funded the Acadamy that experimented on River and all of her classmates (heh, wouldn't it be cool if we met some of the other kids being experimented on?). In the series, remember when River ripped the labels off of those cans of food? And when she slashed Jayne's chest with a knife? Well, in both instances, Blue Sun was involved. The cans were Blue Sun products, and Jayne was wearing a Blue Sun T-shirt.

i never realized that. thanks.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Might be interesting. Although, what Joss was trying to do with the Pax was to say that the Alliance means well, but imposing your way of life on others, no matter how morally right or enlightened it is, just makes things worse. Still, Blue Sun could be the dark underbelly of the Alliance's utopia. The Alliance does all the nice happy Star Trek-ian stuff. Blue Sun does the covert assasinations and the like.

I don't think that adding something like my suggestion to the story takes away from the point that was already made. The alliance's actions were still wrong, and having them be the unknowing dupes of Blue Sun just kind of underlines the original point more. Once you open the door to evil, all hell breaks loose, and you find out that you were a part of an even greater evil. This kind of thing usually helps in understanding the nature of evil... it never takes much.

The underbelly, is exactly what I'm talking about. I think they have already been established as this, that's why I referred to them as "Umbrella". Blue Sun is the ubber Corporation that carries the weight of being the true bad guy. Where as the alliance government is the "head figure", Corporations like Blue Sun are really the "powerful" ones. This part of the story should be background stuff, for now.

I think it would be really funny and interesting if River got a love interest in the next movie. Could make for some funny instances as they are bound to take more crew.

Ok, but kind of gimmicky, I have no doubt Joss could spin it into something really interesting though.

He's River's friend, and you could have him as a quasi love interest if you want. Physically, he doesn't look overly amazing. As in, he's not insanely ripped or anything. Throughout the season or series of movies or whatever, w also see a figure clad in black, tracking the crew and confronting them on occasion. In a few instances, he has met with our young pilot, and spoken to him as if they were working together. The young pilot, in these situations, would seem much more sane, and often say that he'll find a way to stop the man in black. The man in black wopuld reply that if they knew the truth, they would not accept the young pilot. During these situations, the man in black would be in the shadows, and rather hard to see. Eventually, we'd discover that the young pilot and the man in black are one and the same. The Acadamy gave him a case of multiple personality disorder to insure that he wouldn't be caught. He would take out the crew, and fight River. While the two would be fighting to the death physically, she and the two personalities would be calmly talking mentally. Eventually, she'd help the two personalities fuse together into one, who would free the crew and become very anti-alliance.

I REALLY like this, and it's a great expansion on the idea presented by AVEITWITHJAMON. There is just so much here that you could do that it would stay very interesting.

 

[The Question]

I don't think that adding something like my suggestion to the story takes away from the point that was already made. The alliance's actions were still wrong, and having them be the unknowing dupes of Blue Sun just kind of underlines the original point more. Once you open the door to evil, all hell breaks loose, and you find out that you were a part of an even greater evil. This kind of thing usually helps in understanding the nature of evil... it never takes much.

I just don't think it's necesairy to say that Blue Sun knew or had a good idea of what it would actually do. It's fine the way it is.

The underbelly, is exactly what I'm talking about. I think they have already been established as this, that's why I referred to them as "Umbrella". Blue Sun is the ubber Corporation that carries the weight of being the true bad guy. Where as the alliance government is the "head figure", Corporations like Blue Sun are really the "powerful" ones. This part of the story should be background stuff, for now.

There, we definately agree.

I REALLY like this, and it's a great expansion on the idea presented by AVEITWITHJAMON. There is just so much here that you could do that it would stay very interesting.

I'm thinking of writing Whedon and sending in my ideas. Probably won't go anywhere, but who knows?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I like all of the idea's so far people, but i think the Alliance should remain as the main evil. Sure the Blue Sun Corporation should contribute, they may have been the developers of the pax gas on Miranda, but i would prefer it if the Corp. warned the Alliance there could be side affects, but Alliance went ahead anyway,

And i like the idea of the split personality character very much.

 

[The Question]

I like all of the idea's so far people, but i think the Alliance should remain as the main evil. Sure the Blue Sun Corporation should contribute, they may have been the developers of the pax gas on Miranda, but i would prefer it if the Corp. warned the Alliance there could be side affects, but Alliance went ahead anyway,

But one if the points iof Serenity is that the Alliance isn't pure evil. They mean well, and they do alot of good. They just can't leave people to their own lives when they should.

And i like the idea of the split personality character very much.

Thanks.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But one if the points iof Serenity is that the Alliance isn't pure evil. They mean well, and they do alot of good. They just can't leave people to their own lives when they should.

I know that, but it sounds like they did some pretty horrific things in the war. And they are never painted in a nice light throughout the series at least. Remember, evil people, most of the time, dont actually know they are being evil.

 

[The Question]

Still, the Alliance isn't wholely evil. Just as Mal and the crew aren't wholely good. Calling the Alliance evil would be pretty inacurate and simplistic, I'd say.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I Think it's a fair assumption that Joss and crew aren't a fan of BIG government. It seems to be a very strong theme for the show at least.

And I agree with Question, I don't think the intent is ever to show that the Alliance is the evil empire. These aren't souless clones, just people who think they know what's best, and feel they need to MAKE it happen their way.

Btw I wasn't trying to say that my idea HAD to happen, just sharing it with you as an example of "background" story. I am open to any attempt to draw a more clear line between the Alliance and the Blue Sun types. Remember, people like a clear cut villian in their stories.

 

[The Question]

Btw I wasn't trying to say that my idea HAD to happen, just sharing it with you as an example of "background" story. I am open to any attempt to draw a more clear line between the Alliance and the Blue Sun types. Remember, people like a clear cut villian in their stories.

I don't. At least, it's not necesairy. Moral grey areas can make a good story.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I don't. At least, it's not necesairy. Moral grey areas can make a good story.

Yeah, I had guessed that much from your response earlier.

Moral grey areas are excellent story elements. And it's probably why I find Joss' writing great sometimes. He's not afraid to walk up to the line and cross it. I think this is exactly the role that the Alliance plays in Serenity/Firefly (or even Mal and his crew). But, I also think it's their intention to show the REAL bad guys at times, and that role goes to the Blue Sun types. The great part for me is that these stories use both elements.

Do I need the distinction made between them... no, But most reader/veiwers will.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, if you think about the crew's run in's with the Alliance in the Train Job and Bushwacked, they seem evil to me. They dont give a damn that that town lost its medicine that was clearly vital to their lives. And they were quick to put the blame on the nearest person in Bushwacked. And in Ariel they definately seem evil. So they are never painted in a glowing light in any in the series IMO. In the movie they are somewhat less villainous as they did do the experiment on Miranda for good reasons. But that counts for nothing when 30 million people die, and then the Reavers kill god know how many others in the ten years since their creation.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, I had guessed that much from your response earlier.

Moral grey areas are excellent story elements. And it's probably why I find Joss' writing great sometimes. He's not afraid to walk up to the line and cross it. I think this is exactly the role that the Alliance plays in Serenity/Firefly (or even Mal and his crew). But, I also think it's their intention to show the REAL bad guys at times, and that role goes to the Blue Sun types. The great part for me is that these stories use both elements.

Do I need the distinction made between them... no, But most reader/veiwers will.

Very true. I'm just saying, while there should be some obviously vilainous agents of the Alliance, there should also be ones who seem like clean and virtueous folk.

Well, if you think about the crew's run in's with the Alliance in the Train Job and Bushwacked, they seem evil to me. They dont give a damn that that town lost its medicine that was clearly vital to their lives.

That's not evil. That's burocracy. The U.S. government does **** like that all the time. So do most other governments. Doesn't mean they're evil.

And they were quick to put the blame on the nearest person in Bushwacked.

True. But that fault lies on the Alliance officer investiagting Mal. Not the Alliance as a whole.

And in Ariel they definately seem evil.

The Blue Hand Men did, yes. But the agents who arrested Simon Jayne and River? Just doing their job.

So they are never painted in a glowing light in any in the series IMO. In the movie they are somewhat less villainous as they did do the experiment on Miranda for good reasons. But that counts for nothing when 30 million people die, and then the Reavers kill god know how many others in the ten years since their creation.

That doesn't make them evil. That makes them people. People make mistakes. Put people in a possition of power, those mistakes cost lives. That's the way with governments. Doesn't make the Alliance the evil empire.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Very true. I'm just saying, while there should be some obviously vilainous agents of the Alliance, there should also be ones who seem like clean and virtueous folk.



That's not evil. That's burocracy. The U.S. government does **** like that all the time. So do most other governments. Doesn't mean they're evil.




True. But that fault lies on the Alliance officer investiagting Mal. Not the Alliance as a whole.




The Blue Hand Men did, yes. But the agents who arrested Simon Jayne and River? Just doing their job.




That doesn't make them evil. That makes them people. People make mistakes. Put people in a possition of power, those mistakes cost lives. That's the way with governments. Doesn't make the Alliance the evil empire.

Well the agents on Ariel did betray Jayne by not giving him his reward for turning them in. I agree with you i wouldnt say they were wholly evil. If they were they wouldnt try to cover up Miranda.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Has anyone else noticed as well, when the Reaver fleet emerge from the ion cloud one of the first through is the Reaver ship that chases them in the pilot. Its just on the left of the screen and is one of the first through, look out for it.

 

[The Question]

I'm afraid it's dead. Firefly, I mean. The movie did not do well. Hell, it made ten million less than Stealth, which still boggles my mind. Unless the DVD sales prove enough of a profit (and after this much time, I doubt it), I don't think we'll be seeing a sequel. I know I'm being pesimistic, but that's the way it looks.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

shame..summer glau is so damn gorgeous.