Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[kedrell]

I do have to say that Justin Hammer..it's a cheesey name. (not for an alias either)

Yeah, a little bit. But nowhere near as bad as tons of others. Edward Nygma, Count Nefaria, Harleen Quinzel, Oswald Cobblepot. I could go on and on. It's not so bad that it needs to be changed for the movie.

Iron Man is a pretty cheesy name, too, but no one makes a big deal of it.

Actually, I always though Iron Man had one of the least cheesy names of all superheroes(who tend to run toward cheesy names to begin with).

 

[[A]]

Yeah, a little bit. But nowhere near as bad as tons of others. Edward Nygma, Count Nefaria, Harleen Quinzel, Oswald Cobblepot. I could go on and on. It's not so bad that it needs to be changed for the movie.

I notice a pattern .

 

[kedrell]

Here's hoping Mickey doesn't take advice from Katie Holmes about which movie to sign on to, if there has to be a choice between the two.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I actually kind of agree that an armored villain is a bit of a rehash and that I'd rather see them use someone like MODOK in IM2. But they are not doing that, which doesn't overtly surprise me.

 

[Double Down]

This movie will be boring. Wow another bad guy in a metal suit fighting a guy in a metal suit. Seriously didn't we get enough of that in the first movie. I just how how original they are to beat a dead horse and go with the safe bet.

Iron Man's new villian in this movie should be someone new and unique. Like Fing Fang Foom, the mandarin or alcoholism.

Right now they ae just being *****es.

Iron Man is going to beat a dead horse? Woah. I hope Rourke isn't playing the horse.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Consider... Ironmonger showed up in the last 15-minutes, or so, of the movie... and they had a fight scene that was more a ham-handed mauling, than any kind of dynamic, hi-tech clash. That fight scene did not consume the breadth of combat sequences thet IM can have with another armored baddie. I really think this hand-wringing over "another armored villain" is misplaced.

IM was a origin film... IM2 will be a development of the world around IM... including competing industrialists, unscupulous mercenaries, and the dangers of Stark's chosen path. Having another armored competitor is entirley appropriate.

The distinction that could make CD different than IronMonger (if it is indeed to be CD), is that CD's story could focus more on the idea of mass production and distribution, for major government contracts. Stark would be out to get CD and shut down the operation of trying to arm the world with this stuff... as opposed to IronMonger being out to get Stark, as a power play. Hammer has made CD as a new product to compete in this new age of weapons technology... Stark understands the folly of putting this kind of technology into the wrong hands.

Moreover, CD could be operated by a seasoned pilot and trained fighter (not a corporate suit, who's drunk with power)... the ariel battle sequences are ripe to be nothing short of spectacular.

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ This is not to mention the additional foreshadowing that can be made regarding a central figure, behind the scenes, coordinating the likes of Hammer and Stane to distribute weapons to The 10 Rings global terrorist operation (which needs to be more than just the cell in Afganistan, from IM... It needs to be guerilla forces in South America, subversives in Africa, rebels in Asia, etc..

 

[louiebling$]

I actually kind of agree that an armored villain is a bit of a rehash and that I'd rather see them use someone like MODOK in IM2. But they are not doing that, which doesn't overtly surprise me.

Just as long as they cast Jack Black

 

[Rich Santoro]

MODOK is better for a post Avengers film, after we hopefully get introduced to AIM (perhaps as the private operation being run by the Red Skull).

 

[kedrell]

^Wouldn't the Red Skull be more associated with Hydra? I'm not quite familiar with Captain America's lore.

 

[SurfDUI]

Consider... Ironmonger showed up in the last 15-minutes, or so, of the movie... and they had a fight scene that was more a ham-handed mauling, than any kind of dynamic, hi-tech clash. That fight scene did not consume the breadth of combat sequences thet IM can have with another armored baddie. I really think this hand-wringing over "another armored villain" is misplaced.

Well at least it was pretty true to the source material IM#200 cept for how Obie ended it.

Take the Superman II route-bring in the Guardsman...there was a nother set of villians a threesome, one had a electrc bolo and the others had other weapons...I don't remember.

 

[kedrell]

Actually if you've seen the DVD extras, they originally were going to have Obie's death be a little bit closer in faithfulness to the comics but it just didn't gel I guess.

 

[Rich Santoro]

^Wouldn't the Red Skull be more associated with Hydra? I'm not quite familiar with Captain America's lore.

No... AIM would be correct. They creatd the Cosmic Cube that Skull used. Red Skull even had a spin-off of AIM called AID that was a more combat oriented / mercenary group, whereas AIM were scientists.

Baron Von Strucker (one of Skull's associates) is the guy directly linked to HYDRA.

 

[kedrell]

Oh, ok. As I said, I'm not quite up on the Red Skull other than knowing that he's Cap's nemesis. I did remember that Hydra developed from former Nazis after WWII(Von Strucker) so I assumed the Red Skull was more closely related to them than AIM which, as you said is just a group of scientists with nefarious motives.*



*How's THAT for a run-on sentence!

 

[Rich Santoro]

*How's THAT for a run-on sentence!

LOL... Now... another correction (not to be a smarty-pants). HYDRA really started in Japan. Once things looked bad for Nazi Germany, Skull instructed Strucker to go to Asia and hook up with HYDRA. He did bring in some more Nazis as well, but it was located in Asia with a strong imperialist Japanese contingent.

HYDRA is predominantly linked to SHIELD as a arch-nemisis, rather than Cap... although, there is plenty of cross-over. So Skull certainly has been intertwined with the story-arcs to some degree.

 

[kedrell]

^I knew the Shield nemesis part that Hydra plays, but the asian origins is news to me. Heh, you learn somethin' new every day, don'tcha?

 

[Rich Santoro]

Not me... I know everything already... t: j/k

 

[Doctor Jones]

Consider... Ironmonger showed up in the last 15-minutes, or so, of the movie... and they had a fight scene that was more a ham-handed mauling, than any kind of dynamic, hi-tech clash. That fight scene did not consume the breadth of combat sequences thet IM can have with another armored baddie. I really think this hand-wringing over "another armored villain" is misplaced.

IM was a origin film... IM2 will be a development of the world around IM... including competing industrialists, unscupulous mercenaries, and the dangers of Stark's chosen path. Having another armored competitor is entirley appropriate.

The distinction that could make CD different than IronMonger (if it is indeed to be CD), is that CD's story could focus more on the idea of mass production and distribution, for major government contracts. Stark would be out to get CD and shut down the operation of trying to arm the world with this stuff... as opposed to IronMonger being out to get Stark, as a power play. Hammer has made CD as a new product to compete in this new age of weapons technology... Stark understands the folly of putting this kind of technology into the wrong hands.

Moreover, CD could be operated by a seasoned pilot and trained fighter (not a corporate suit, who's drunk with power)... the ariel battle sequences are ripe to be nothing short of spectacular.

Christ, you describing it like that makes me even more excited about this film.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Christ, you describing it like that makes me even more excited about this film.

Great... I am pumped for this. I think it's gonna be an excellent film, as we as, a great scf-fi action flick.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I actually kind of agree that an armored villain is a bit of a rehash and that I'd rather see them use someone like MODOK in IM2. But they are not doing that, which doesn't overtly surprise me.

MODOK would have been a little cheezy. Plus, I think you need to introduce him more as a spinoff to a group like HYDRA or something... which would more likely appear in Cap or Avengers. Just throwing him into one film would be cramming it too much. But Mandarin will be the main villain in IM3... maybe MODOK gets thrown in there... maybe not. I have no problem with another armored villain considering they need to flesh out armor wars... plus the fact that IM3 has basically been confirmed.

 

[Rich Santoro]

About the idea of MODOK in a live action film... I am on the fence overall. I think that he would look weird and the creepy... However, someone posted this pic a while back, on some other thread, making it a bit easier to picture MODOK:

 

[SurfDUI]

That's tight..bad thing is we got half a generation raised on CGI-
Rubber mask and animatronic tech has come a long way- I'm for it.

 

[sdc10]

Im not so upset they going with an armored villain. It just adds to Starks characterization. He now hows to deal with the fact that the technology he created to help people is now ending up in the hands of bad people and the results of that. Not to mention dealing with the fact everyone knows who he is.

 

[Double Down]

^ I would agree with that.

 

[Brian Braddock]

About the idea of MODOK in a live action film... I am on the fence overall. I think that he would look weird and the creepy... However, someone posted this pic a while back, on some other thread, making it a bit easier to picture MODOK:

Reminds me of our M.O.D.O.K. discussion from a while back, eh Rich?

That was fun.

Still havent changed my viewpoint; seeing M.O.D.O.K. on screen would be awesomly geeky in a wonderous way.

By the way, is it a coincidence that the face in that pic ^^^^ actually looks alot like what Rourke looks like now? t: