Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[Chewy]

Until they lowball RDJ with a $20,000 offer for The Avengers, and he turns it down, and the Marvel apologists say "MARVEL PUT HIM BACK ON THE MAP, HE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR 20 GRAND, HE'D BE SPENDING MOST OF THE TIME IN THE SUIT ANYWAY! MAKE MINE MARVEL!"

Because lowballing the star of their franchise is the same thing as putting out a low first offer in negotiations with a guy who would have a supporting role in one film

 

[Mastodon123]

Jon's just giving Mickey a chance like he did RDJ. Mickey won't be the main draw. I'm sure that his Golden Globe win, and possibly an oscar could draw people to the film.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, because how many movies have been blockbusters because Mickey Rourke has been in it? So now all of a sudden he's Will Smith. Iron Man 2 really needs Mickey Rourke.



Umm, no it won't. Exaggerate much?

Um the seats will be filled with asses Rourke or no Rourke.

it wont be the MAIN draw. IRON MAN is the main draw lol. why do you think Iron man was so successful, It was a kick ass superhero film that everyone wanted... Rourke would just be an added bonus. It wont put teenagers asses in the seats or any kids or chicks for that matter. It wouldn't make a huge difference in the box office if he was or wasn't attached.

Have ANY of you guys read my posts properly? When did I ever say Rourke would be the MAIN draw? That's right, I didn't.

Obviously RDJ is the main draw, he is Ironman! But what other characters are big draws in comic book films? That's right, the villains. I'm telling you, if Mickey Rourke is casted as the new villain in a new super hero movie it will contribute majorly to it's popularity. I predict it would bring in the older generation. The generation that remembers the Rourke from the 80's and early 90's.

 

[Figs]

Dude I hate to break it to you but the studios don't consider him a big draw and this generation is just learning of him.

Thank you.

Already been way too much typical fanboy mentality where he wins an Oscar and everyone acts like they're huge fans and have followed his entire career.

I was born in '81, only movie I really remember of his before he screwed up with the partying was Harley Davidson & The Marlboro Man. Other than that I didn't know him as an actor that well.

It's epic lulz worthy but I'll say again typical fanboy bandwagon talk when people are saying his name will be the big draw that gets Iron Man 2 big.

Um...no, it's the fact that the first did so well and a whole lot of people liked it and if anything Robert Downey Jr's charisma/acting that made it that much more fun than it could have been that will get people to come back.

I think it's great Rourke is getting this comeback because he seems to have gotten his **** together and seems like a nice and honest person but before Sin City I had kind of forgotten about him. I'm just not going to act like the sterotypical(if it even is a stereotype or just real for alot/most)internet person who jumps on bandwagons for whoever is in the spotlight.

Have ANY of you guys read my posts properly? When did I ever say Rourke would be the MAIN draw? That's right, I didn't.

But I'm pretty sure that he and his agents realize that his name will be a big draw. Mickey Rourke, the revitalized Hollywood bad boy, playing a super villain in the new Ironman movie. That will put asses in seats. 100% guaranteed.

Technically speaking, if your talking about who will be putting asses in the seats...your talking about the main draw.

 

[Spidey 2007]

Have ANY of you guys read my posts properly? When did I ever say Rourke would be the MAIN draw? That's right, I didn't.

Obviously RDJ is the main draw, he is Ironman! But what other characters are big draws in comic book films? That's right, the villains. I'm telling you, if Mickey Rourke is casted as the new villain in a new super hero movie it will contribute majorly to it's popularity. I predict it would bring in the older generation. The generation that remembers the Rourke from the 80's and early 90's.

Yes your posts were read, and you state that he will be a huge draw. And we're saying it wont make that much of a difference. lol.

Unless he dies! (bad joke bad joke)

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Have ANY of you guys read my posts properly? When did I ever say Rourke would be the MAIN draw? That's right, I didn't.Obviously RDJ is the main draw, he is Ironman! But what other characters are big draws in comic book films? That's right, the villains. I'm telling you, if Mickey Rourke is casted as the new villain in a new super hero movie it will contribute majorly to it's popularity. I predict it would bring in the older generation. The generation that remembers the Rourke from the 80's and early 90's.

And I'm telling you, it won't matter jack S if Mickey is in this movie or not in terms of the movie's popularity. Yes, he's a good actor but no one on the fence about going to see Iron Man 2 will all of a sudden want to see it because he is in it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

There is a difference between a "huge draw" and the "main draw".

I think it will make a difference.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I was born in 86 and didn't even know of Rourke until Sin City which made me check out some of his older stuff like Rumble Fish and Spun. The guy is talented and I like him a lot but what I know of him and things I have heard about his past he should be thankful he is getting the chance to be a big star.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Thank you.

Already been way too much typical fanboy mentality where he wins an Oscar and everyone acts like they're huge fans and have followed his entire career.

I was born in '81, only movie I really remember of his before he screwed up with the partying was Harley Davidson & The Marlboro Man. Other than that I didn't know him as an actor that well.

It's epic lulz worthy but I'll say again typical fanboy bandwagon talk when people are saying his name will be the big draw that gets Iron Man 2 big.

Um...no, it's the fact that the first did so well and a whole lot of people liked it and if anything Robert Downey Jr's charisma/acting that made it that much more fun than it could have been that will get people to come back.

I think it's great Rourke is getting this comeback because he seems to have gotten his **** together and seems like a nice and honest person but before Sin City I had kind of forgotten about him. I'm just not going to act like the sterotypical(if it even is a stereotype or just real for alot/most)internet person who jumps on bandwagons for whoever is in the spotlight.

Speaking of fanboy bandwagons.... it'd be fun to go back to the start of the thread and see if any of the people flipping over Rourke and talking about how his presence confirms Iron Man 2 will be awesome are the same people now queueing up to call him a nobody who doesn't deserve a star paycheck now that his status in the film might be questionable.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

And I'm telling you, it won't matter jack S if Mickey is in this movie or not in terms of the movie's popularity. Yes, he's a good actor but no one on the fence about going to see Iron Man 2 will all of a sudden want to see it because he is in it.

How do you know that? There is a lot of Rourke fans out there who are really happy to see him making his comeback. I would imagen his fans aren't usually into comic book movies, but if he is casted as a super villain in a comic book movie as big as Ironman 2, I think they will change their minds.

 

[hatebox]

How do you know that? There is a lot of Rourke fans out there who are really happy to see him making his comeback. I would imagen his fans aren't usually into comic book movies, but if he is casted as a super villain in a comic book movie as big as Ironman 2, I think they will change their minds.

Dude, it's 'cast'. I'd have let it go but you said it in other posts.

 

[hatebox]

Speaking of fanboy bandwagons.... it'd be fun to go back to the start of the thread and see if any of the people flipping over Rourke and talking about how his presence confirms Iron Man 2 will be awesome are the same people now queueing up to call him a nobody who doesn't deserve a star paycheck now that his status in the film might be questionable.

Post of the day.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Silly me!

 

[Figs]

Speaking of fanboy bandwagons.... it'd be fun to go back to the start of the thread and see if any of the people flipping over Rourke and talking about how his presence confirms Iron Man 2 will be awesome are the same people now queueing up to call him a nobody who doesn't deserve a star paycheck now that his status in the film might be questionable.

When I heard him and Rockwell got casted I'm not going to lie, I was excited to hear they would be cast as villians.

But, I never called Rourke a nobody and never said that he didn't deserve more money. I said that he is starting his career back up again and needs to work his way to the top and winning a Golden Globe doesn't instantly mean your in the big leagues again.

Frankly Keyser, not sure if my previous post hit the wrong chord with you but I don't see what your trying to get at if this post is directed at me.

 

[Chewy]

Speaking of fanboy bandwagons.... it'd be fun to go back to the start of the thread and see if any of the people flipping over Rourke and talking about how his presence confirms Iron Man 2 will be awesome are the same people now queueing up to call him a nobody who doesn't deserve a star paycheck now that his status in the film might be questionable.

Rourke deserves a star paycheck because he's awesome. He probably won't get one.

I don't see where you are getting that his status in this film might be questionable. It's not as though Marvel just out of the blue offered Rourke $250K. Rourke was obviously interested in the project and Marvel made him an offer. His agents will have sent back a much higher offer. Marvel will have sent back an offer that was higher than their initial offer, but lower than what the agents asked for. This will continue until both parties reach an agreement.

I feel like I'm reading a replay of the SLJ thread. Or the Watchmen lawsuit thread.

 

[hatebox]

If it weren't for The Wrestler I'd say fair enough to the price, but one suspects that Marvel are hedging their bets on Rourke winning the Oscar and as such getting a very good deal on an Academy Award winner.

But hey, if it pays off then well played Marvel.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

When I heard him and Rockwell got casted I'm not going to lie, I was excited to hear they would be cast as villians.

But, I never called Rourke a nobody and never said that he didn't deserve more money. I said that he is starting his career back up again and needs to work his way to the top and winning a Golden Globe doesn't instantly mean your in the big leagues again.

Frankly Keyser, not sure if my previous post hit the wrong chord with you but I don't see what your trying to get at if this post is directed at me.

Same boat here.

 

[Keyser Soze]

When I heard him and Rockwell got casted I'm not going to lie, I was excited to hear they would be cast as villians.

But, I never called Rourke a nobody and never said that he didn't deserve more money. I said that he is starting his career back up again and needs to work his way to the top and winning a Golden Globe doesn't instantly mean your in the big leagues again.

Frankly Keyser, not sure if my previous post hit the wrong chord with you but I don't see what your trying to get at if this post is directed at me.

It wasn't specifically directed at you - as if anything you've explained your stance better than others - than directed at more of the general sentiment of "He should consider himself lucky he's getting that much!" that is pervading a lot of posts.

I just think some of the "Marvel can do no wrong" people shouldn't be so quick to start downplaying Rourke because of a rumor of contract troubles, because they'll find themselves forced to do some backtracking if it turns out he's still in the film.

 

[WeaponXProject]

I am increasingly concerned that the attempts for the studio to save money are going to hurt this film.

Bingo!

Though we don't know if the report is true we do know that they low balled to not keep SLJ and that could also mean issues with bringing back other actors for Avengers. Not to mention this, if its true, could bring promise to the theory that Marvel is seeking an unknown for Cap to save money.

No matter how you look at it...it sounds like greed is winning the Hollywood war again.

I also agree with Keyser though, Mickey is lucky to be getting any work. He should take it for the fans. I think a million would be a good figure that he would accept. I am proud of him for his performance in the Wrestler but that in no way means he's the best actor in Hollywood nor that he can play any part. He is, however, exceptional in the Wrestler and I would really like him for Crimson Dynamo.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Rourke deserves a star paycheck because he's awesome. He probably won't get one.

I don't see where you are getting that his status in this film might be questionable. It's not as though Marvel just out of the blue offered Rourke $250K. Rourke was obviously interested in the project and Marvel made him an offer. His agents will have sent back a much higher offer. Marvel will have sent back an offer that was higher than their initial offer, but lower than what the agents asked for. This will continue until both parties reach an agreement.

I feel like I'm reading a replay of the SLJ thread. Or the Watchmen lawsuit thread.

Until Rourke is officially signed onto the film, I'd say "might be questionable" is a fair statement to make about his involvement in the project. Particularly if he's not happy with the current offer and is trying to negotiate a better one.

 

[Figs]

It wasn't specifically directed at you - as if anything you've explained your stance better than others - than directed at more of the general sentiment of "He should consider himself lucky he's getting that much!" that is pervading a lot of posts.

I just think some of the "Marvel can do no wrong" people shouldn't be so quick to start downplaying Rourke because of a rumor of contract troubles, because they'll find themselves forced to do some backtracking if it turns out he's still in the film.

I guess I misread your post, sorry.

I'm trying to keep an open mind about Marvel right now. I'm in the middle where I definitely don't think they can do no wrong but at the same time(for now at least)I think(key word is think)I have an idea of what there doing.

It goes back to one of my earlier posts a couple pages back where there trying to conserve more money since there not a huge studio yet with millions upon millions.

Lets just say if they keep this up throughout the next few years or more then I will start to call them out as cheep bastards.t:

 

[Chewy]

Until Rourke is officially signed onto the film, I'd say "might be questionable" is a fair statement to make about his involvement in the project. Particularly if he's not happy with the current offer and is trying to negotiate a better one.

But that's the case with all Hollywood negotiations. It's not like all involved parties sit at a table and hash out paychecks that everyone can agree on in an hour. Hollywood negotiations take weeks, sometimes months. If Marvel has an interest in Rourke and Rourke has an interest in the project, then it is likely that things will be worked out.

And Rourke not being happy with the offer is an assumption on your part.

 

[kedrell]

Rourke deserves a star paycheck because he's awesome. He probably won't get one.

I don't see where you are getting that his status in this film might be questionable. It's not as though Marvel just out of the blue offered Rourke $250K. Rourke was obviously interested in the project and Marvel made him an offer. His agents will have sent back a much higher offer. Marvel will have sent back an offer that was higher than their initial offer, but lower than what the agents asked for. This will continue until both parties reach an agreement.

I feel like I'm reading a replay of the SLJ thread. Or the Watchmen lawsuit thread.

Heh, well we gotta talk about something. Otherwise, it's a slow news day.

 

[Keyser Soze]

But that's the case with all Hollywood negotiations. It's not like all involved parties sit at a table and hash out paychecks that everyone can agree on in an hour. Hollywood negotiations take weeks, sometimes months. If Marvel has an interest in Rourke and Rourke has an interest in the project, then it is likely that things will be worked out.

And Rourke not being happy with the offer is an assumption on your part.

No less an assumption than your repeated claims of "negotiations are ongoing, this is just a first offer." Because if he was happy with the offer, surely there would be no need for further negotiation?

 

[Chewy]

The article from which all of this originated stated that the $250K was just the opening offer.

And it's not necessarily about being happy/unhappy, it's about the amount he feels he deserves for the work he would be putting in. If he was happy with the paycheck but he or his agents felt he could get more, there wouldn't be much reason to not go for it.