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Batman's different.

The franchise had been so diluted from one to another that it was in need of an overhaul.

Superman on the other hand, despite the lackluster work of the filmmakers behind the later sequels, was built on a frame conceptualized by Tom Mankewicz, Dick Donner and Christopher Reeve that remained consistent and thusly was never truly broken.

And if it isn't broken...there's no point in fixing it.

CFE
 
Batman's different.

The franchise had been so diluted from one to another that it was in need of an overhaul.

Superman on the other hand, despite the lackluster work of the filmmakers behind the later sequels, was built on a frame conceptualized by Tom Mankewicz, Dick Donner and Christopher Reeve that remained consistent and thusly was never truly broken.

And if it isn't broken...there's no point in fixing it.

CFE

Not really, fans might not like the burton films now but the first 2 were well liked. Superman's series is not so different from Batmans with the last 2 movies being pretty bad. IMO the superman series with Reeve is broken and thats why it needs fixing, maybe not to the fans that loved it but others exist who generally are not impressed with the 30 year old movie.
 
i think only the superman fans are making the williams score so big. give me links on youtube where people are talking about williams score. not a documentary about him. but tv-shows. where is this worldwide obssesion for the williams score?

i think on a general forum people dont care for williams superma nscore.
 
Batman's different.

The franchise had been so diluted from one to another that it was in need of an overhaul.

Superman on the other hand, despite the lackluster work of the filmmakers behind the later sequels, was built on a frame conceptualized by Tom Mankewicz, Dick Donner and Christopher Reeve that remained consistent and thusly was never truly broken.

And if it isn't broken...there's no point in fixing it.

CFE
if you are doing a new movie with new cast,new feel,new themes and new cast......do a new score.
 
It just came to me in a flash this morning while I was looking at a hi-def add featuring Iron Man.

Superman does not need a hi-tech suit with a 3D emblem. He needs a traditional suit (albiet made with better materials than Chris Reeve's suit) but the antagonists around him need to have that exciting high-tech look.

Lex needs to be corporate Lex with the underground, cavernous secret lab populated with scientists for hire.

Brainiac needs to be a high-tech bio-mechanical creature surrounded by stunning CGI alien looking machinations.

We could have Darksied - you all know how visually stunning anything associated with that character could be.

Intergang with their high-tech weaponry.

The list goes on and on.

It could be exciting and visually stunning and all without giving Superman a stupid plastic 3D emblem glued to his chest.

Then you just need to develop his supporting cast so that they're in line with the current comics interpretations (or close to it - I'd base them on Superman TAS) and give us a Krypton worthy of his backstory.
 
No you misunderstand me.

Look at the original Batman series.

Burton's first installment looks very good, nostalgic...IMO, Anton Furst nailed what Gotham City brought to life would look like. Then going from that to 'Batman Returns,' despite retaining the dark and mysterioso factor, the astheatic of Batman's world looks tremendously different. Then Schumacher comes in and changes everything save for Pat Hingle, Michael Gough, the basic design of the suit (sans nipples) and a little reference to Catwoman.

Basically, as you go from one Batman film to another, you can't help but think "How did it get to this?"

On the other hand, the Superman series has remained fairly consistent in its overall design and approach to the character and his universe as opposed to changing it up with every installment. Christopher Reeve as Superman looks exactly the same in each film. Now I'm not taking jabs at the Batman series for utilizing different actors for the role. I mean Supes literally looks the same. That suit doesn't go from one incarnation to another like the Batsuit did (technically still does).

That's what I meant.

Despite getting the visual language of Batman correct right out the gate, the series twisted and manipulated it to the point where there was no choice BUT to overhaul it with Nolan. And now look..."Begins" and "TDK" are overall a seamless visual representation of this current Batman, albeit a few minor differences here or there. I mean in the previous franchise, I have a really hard time trying to believe that Clooney's Batman is technically supposed to be the same guy that took on Nicholson's Joker or Devito's Penguin.

On the other hand, despite the lackluster "Superman III" (my guilty pleasure) and how dreadful "The Quest for Peace" was, I can still look at Superman in "Quest for Peace" and believe that it's the same character that had fought the likes of Lex Luthor and General Zod.

There's a set of building blocks Donner, Reeve and the rest of that group put into place that for all the efforts of Canon or the Salkinds to destroy...really wasn't. I mean sure Superman's III and IV are pretty awful, but those building blocks remain intact in spite of that.

CFE
 
Side Note:

i think on a general forum people dont care for williams superman score.

That's because people, by in large, are stupid. William's score is a classic, whether you're a Superman fan or not.

Seriously, what happened to a little thing called 'respect' ? It seems everywhere I turn, people are dogging things that I can't even imagine being under such scrutiny. I don't care who you are, it's John Williams...The Maestro!

In the end, if people want a new score that's fine. But don't be an ass and call Williams' score "trash" or "old" or something that needs to be "thrown out."

Clearly the score and that theme had enough significance to stick around for 30 years...

CFE
 
then start wearing your 10 years old underwear, shoes,......
 
i agree with most of tht list...and the theme must stay..its like star wars without its theme..it wouldnt be right.
i wanna see a trilogy of the death and return of superman....have him die in number 2 for the darker ending ala empire strikes back...
i think that work well.
 
I've never met someone who doesn't like the Williams Superman theme.

And as far as I can tell, die-hard fans were never thrilled with the Batman franchise. Even when Nolan came aboard fans originally had issues with it, until they realized that's about as good as it was ever going to get.
 
i agree with most of tht list...and the theme must stay..its like star wars without its theme..it wouldnt be right.
i wanna see a trilogy of the death and return of superman....have him die in number 2 for the darker ending ala empire strikes back...
i think that work well.
show me the star wars reboot :huh:
 
then start wearing your 10 years old underwear, shoes,......

That makes no sense whatsoever. What does that have to do with John William's Superman theme :huh:

CFE
 
it'd be the most logical way of doing it. especially if they're going to keep Brandon Routh. and i think we all can agree that Superman Returns wasnt all THAT bad of a movie, we just need to give Superman and Lois some history and i bet you'll see Superman Returns in a whole new way. they can end the 3rd movie with Superman leaving for Krypton and actually show that Lex Luthor was behind it all. (which was a deleted scene from Returns.) and they could add lil subtle things like Jimmy not being able to get a good shot of Supes so in Returns when we have that scene with him looking at his camera it could actually be really funny. i really really really hope the studio is thinking of making prequels instead of a complete reboot. just think the Star Wars movies but done right.

anybody have any connections with WB? maybe send them a letter with the idea?

and plz enough with this "NO SUPERMAN BEGINS" crud, not everybody is 50 and has seen Christopher Reeves's movies (which i think are overrated.) i mean it was good for its day but you gotta admit, the graphics are really distracting, and the ridiculously simple fight scenes are boring. just imagine Krypton with todays technology.
 
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One word: No.

why not? they're going this route anyways so why not make the movies have some connection to Returns? instead of confusing the audience by making a complete reboot with the same actor.

they can also give Supes another suit like so many of you wanted, remember in Returns when Perry White says "is that a new suit?"
 
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There's already a thread about Reboot or Prequel, no need for this one.

Close!
 
There's already a thread about Reboot or Prequel, no need for this one.

Close!

actually the other thread is asking whether you'd interpret the next film as a reboot or a prequel. my thread is focused solely on the next film being a prequel.. why do ppl keep avoiding my ideas?
 
Was this thread needed? Geez. I'm not trying to be mean but this thread is not needed.
 
First Class Noob may be one of many reasons... but we all made threads that should have never been started when we signed on to the Hype... so not all is lost.

actually i was originally a member since 2004 (before you lol?) i just changed my sn. i rly dont understand why ppl dont wanna discuss this. seems nobody likes to listen to people with only 16 posts around here, too cool to talk to n00bz on a superherohype board?.. are you a newbist?


my other sn was I7eIvIoNBoY btw.
 
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