The Official Writer & Storyline Thread

[Double Down]

I can see why you changed it.

 

[Superman-Prime]

actually i was originally a member since 2004 (before you lol?) i just changed my sn.

Uh-oh.

 

[bunk]

Is this a joke thread?

 

[lukedoggwalker]

said this in another thread..

"godawful according to who? the average 17 yr old who cant sit still through a movie without an explosion every 5 minutes? correct me if im wrong but i remember the critic reviews for the movie were very good. and superman 3 and 4 were Donners sequels, you cant just ignore those movies and say SR came after 2. give SR it's own history, it was a deep and well put together movie, it'd be nice to see what happened before and Donnors films although nicely done for its time doesnt quite "fit the bill."

my idea is to make it a prequel/reboot, that way we dont just ignore yet ANOTHER superman film, it'd be dumb and confusing as hell (especially since they want Brandon back.) they already said they're making a reboot so why not make it a prequel as well, to not confuse the audience and add flavor to SR in the process."

it surprises me of how many uncreative people there are in the world... now if you guys are done with ur childish bullying i'd like to hear an actual brainy response pertaining to the topic.

 

[Crook]

Simply put, there are many that are unsupportive or have a disinterest in the SR universe. Sure, you could make a prequel that would fix some things, but the very fact that SR would be attached to this continuity is a turn-off to those that did not love the movie.

For those that desire a complete reboot, i.e. a fresh take on the franchise, a SR-prequel would immediately be a problem for them from the get-go. Chief complaints being:

Casting
Characterization
Donner-elements

These would all have to be carried over from Singer's film if it is to go along with SR. These are things that can't be fixed.

 

[lukedoggwalker]

Simply put, there are many that are unsupportive or have a disinterest in the SR universe. Sure, you could make a prequel that would fix some things, but the very fact that SR would be attached to this continuity is a turn-off to those that did not love the movie.

For those that desire a complete reboot, i.e. a fresh take on the franchise, a SR-prequel would immediately be a problem for them from the get-go. Chief complaints being:

Casting
Characterization
Donner-elements

These would all have to be carried over from Singer's film if it is to go along with SR. These are things that can't be fixed.

thank you Crook.. im a little confused though, what exactly didnt people like about the characterization? just give Superman and Lois some real chemistry in the prequels then you'll actually feel for them in SR instead of just "oh, Lois/Clark is too depressed in this movie.." and what Donner-elements? the fact that Metropolis = Manhatten? that could be easily changed in the prequels, we didnt even see enough of the city to distinguish it as being a part of New York anyways. i was under the impression that people just didnt like it cuz it was too long and boring.

im not saying they cant change up a few things, read what i said about the suit for example.. and as for the disinterest in the movie as a whole, get over it, Star Wars fans seemed to be able to enjoy ROTS despite TPM being complete crap and SR was in no way as bad as that movie.. remember jar jar ? *shutters*

 

[Crook]

thank you Crook.. im a little confused though, what exactly didnt people like about the characterization?

Luthor would be the biggest one. Dead-on copy of Hackman's campy crook interpretation.
Superman and Lois actually have a little leeway. The biggest complaints were that they were both pretty dull and lacked any real energy that really brought the emotional tone of the film down. Setting a film during the early years could plausibly erase this and opt for a more traditional approach to the characters. But as I said, just knowing that these characters end up where they are in SR, might not be enough.

just give Superman and Lois some real chemistry in the prequels then you'll actually feel for them in SR instead of "Lois/Clark is too depressed in this movie.."

You can't give chemistry. That's something innate within the 2 actors. Bosworth and Routh are just not compatible. That is absolutely essential if we are to believe in the Lois/Clark/Superman relationship.

and what Donner-elements? the fact that Metropolis = Manhatten? that could be easily changed in the prequels, we didnt even see enough of the city to distinguish it as being a part of New York anyways. i was under the impression that people didnt like it cuz it was too long and boring.

No, not Metropolis. I'm talking about Jor-El. Fortress of Solitude. Being sent to Earth as a savior. Landscheme Luthor. Zany Luthor sidekicks. Krypton. The movie theme. Etc etc.

It's no secret that SR takes great inspiration from Donner's movie. A lot of it's story is borrowed straight from it.

im not saying they cant change up a few things, read what i said about the suit for example.. and as for the disinterest in the movie as a whole, get over it, Star Wars fans seemed to be able to enjoy ROTS despite TPM being complete crap and SR was in no way as bad as that movie.. remember jar jar ? *shutters*

Not really a good example when the prequel trilogy is considered to the bane of the franchise. True enough, ROTS was a great improvement over POTM, but also take into account that all 3 films were in separate eras of Anakin's life. The latter 2 films being different as there was now a new actor taking on the lead. The baggage wasn't as much.

 

[SatEL]

it'd be the most logical way of doing it. especially if they're going to keep Brandon Routh. and i think we all can agree that Superman Returns wasnt all THAT bad of a movie, we just need to give Superman and Lois some history and i bet you'll see Superman Returns in a whole new way. they can end the 3rd movie with Superman leaving for Krypton and actually show that Lex Luthor was behind it all. (which was a deleted scene from Returns.) and they could add lil subtle things like Jimmy not being able to get a good shot of Supes so in Returns when we have that scene with him looking at his camera it could actually be really funny. i really really really hope the studio is thinking of making prequels instead of a complete reboot. just think the Star Wars movies but done right.

anybody have any connections with WB? maybe send them a letter with the idea?

and plz enough with this "NO SUPERMAN BEGINS" crud, not everybody is 50 and has seen Christopher Reeves's movies (which i think are overrated.) i mean it was good for its day but you gotta admit, the graphics are really distracting, and the ridiculously simple fight scenes are boring. just imagine Krypton with todays technology.

Lol So in other words I should invest my time in characters whose history I end up hating? If its a prequel I am not even going to bother, I dont see a point. I didnt give a dam about Singerverse the ending and I dont give a dam about Singerverse the start.

 

[lukedoggwalker]

Lol So in other words I should invest my time in characters whose history I end up hating? If its a prequel I am not even going to bother, I dont see a point. I didnt give a dam about Singerverse the ending and I dont give a dam about Singerverse the start.

maybe make a finale/sequel to SR after finishing with the prequels. the plot could involve New Krypton with a former villain.

and by giving them chemistry i meant give them more screentime together, Crook.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

maybe make a finale/sequel to SR after finishing with the prequels. the plot could involve New Krypton with a former villain.

and by giving them chemistry i meant give them more screentime together, Crook.

Wow you really like to confuse the audience huh?. So you want to start with prequels, already confusing the audience & then end it with a sequel to returns which will make ppl just go WTF!?. Now I know your not a noob because you explained yourself but why do you sound like a noob?. You sound like someone who simply doesn't get what the problems were with SR, almost like you haven't even watched the movie. In the end I say No, simply wouldn't work & no one gives a s***.




Steve

 

[lukedoggwalker]

Wow you really like to confuse the audience huh?. So you want to start with prequels, already confusing the audience

they're already doing this, so why not make it LESS confusing by giving the two movies some relation.

& then end it with a sequel to returns which will make ppl just go WTF!?.

not really, just open the movie on New Krypton with opening text explaining what happened in SR.

You sound like someone who simply doesn't get what the problems were with SR, almost like you haven't even watched the movie. In the end I say No, simply wouldn't work & no one gives a s***.

Steve

obviously you guys do..

doesnt get it or simply doesnt care. you guys only speak for the super hardcore fans who pay attention to every little detail. in reality the general audience could care less as long as the next movie is good.

No, not Metropolis. I'm talking about Jor-El. Fortress of Solitude. Being sent to Earth as a savior. Landscheme Luthor. Zany Luthor sidekicks. Krypton. The movie theme. Etc etc.

It's no secret that SR takes great inspiration from Donner's movie. A lot of it's story is borrowed straight from it.

what im trying to sell here is a Prequel/Reboot. we can still make a few major changes you guys are so longing for, for example, we didnt even get to see enough of FOS or Jor-El (cant see why people would hate this so much..) for us to not be able to change it up in the prequels without people noticing. and Krypton was only in the movie for like 5 seconds! you guys are just nitpicking.

"Landscheme Luthor." just make him NOT a landscheme Luthor then..

Not really a good example when the prequel trilogy is considered to the bane of the franchise. True enough, ROTS was a great improvement over POTM, but also take into account that all 3 films were in separate eras of Anakin's life. The latter 2 films being different as there was now a new actor taking on the lead. The baggage wasn't as much.

what im saying is that every good movie franchise has that one black sheep, people need to get over it and move on. for example, ROTS is still considered a great movie considering people already knew that the empire gets destroyed by ewoks..(imagine if the other two were the same.) more people liked SR then anything, only problem was that it didnt exceed their expectations or didnt provide anything new.

 

[lukedoggwalker]

double post.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Is this a joke thread?

Probably.

POTM

Excuse my ignorance but what the f*** is that?

 

[Double Down]

It's Phantom of the Menace, the good version that we didn't get to see. We were stuck with The Phantom Menace (TPM).

 

[I Am The Knight]

It's Phantom of the Menace, the good version that we didn't get to see. We were stuck with The Phantom Menace (TPM).

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have thought that maybe a prequel has been the best to go for a long time, but i dont see it happening as of yet.

At least a prequel could clear up a lot of the back story that people had a problem filling in with SR.

 

[NotFadeAway]

They won't end up using Routh.

SR was that bad of a movie.

 

[Crook]

what im trying to sell here is a Prequel/Reboot. we can still make a few major changes you guys are so longing for, for example, we didnt even get to see enough of FOS or Jor-El (cant see why people would hate this so much..) for us to not be able to change it up in the prequels without people noticing. and Krypton was only in the movie for like 5 seconds! you guys are just nitpicking.

I'm not nitpicking at all. I'm going by your own proposal. If you are going to make a prequel, then logically everything should fall in place in the big picture. Making major changes to the FOS and Jor-El would be effectively altering these well-known elements. What is the point of making a prequel, when what you're really asking for is a reboot with the same cast?

"Landscheme Luthor." just make him NOT a landscheme Luthor then..

That would be dramatically changing his character. We have a good idea of what Lex is like. Again, look above.

what im saying is that every good movie franchise has that one black sheep, people need to get over it and move on. for example, ROTS is still considered a great movie considering people already knew that the empire gets destroyed by ewoks..(imagine if the other two were the same.) more people liked SR then anything, only problem was that it didnt exceed their expectations or didnt provide anything new.

Most people liked Batman Forever well enough too. Despite it's association with Schumacher now. It was a huge hit, but it alienated a lot of batfans, which is arguably the most important demographic. They could have changed the direction with a sequel/prequel, but it wouldn't have changed it's place within continuity. That is the problem.

It's the degree of baggage a single story brings to the rest of the franchise. The PT is usually bunched together, so fans either take it or leave it. Godfather III is vastly ignored by many.

WB have a chance to work on a fresh slate. Bringing anyone back is throwing that great opportunity away. Everyone on this forum knows how SR split the fanbase. Just as everyone knows that any relation to that film, be it story elements or casting is gonna work against us from the start, given the people that were not pleased with SR.

There's a complete possibility that an all-new interpretation and cast would unite most fans (SR/Anti-SR) together in the same way that Nolan did. Why make the battle harder for yourself by going with a decision that leaves you in the same position as a SR sequel would?

Excuse my ignorance but what the f*** is that?

It's Phantom of the Menace, the good version that we didn't get to see. We were stuck with The Phantom Menace (TPM).

Oh crap, guess that's what a late night posting will do to ya. Doubledown is right though, cause "Phantom of the Menace" is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[lukedoggwalker]

Don't bother, he's forgotten to attach a huge IMO behind all of his comments.

-a prequel origin, with Routh, that would re-conceptualize everything in SR could work very well. A prequel Origin would severe the ties with the Donner franchise instantly. Moreover, with the ability to rewrite every SR character's history, through the prequel, there are many interesting possibilities that could be changed. 1) I'd love for a prequel to redefine Jason as a Superclone that Lex implanted in Lois through a mad scientific rape, 2)if Superman does not know his true origin (other than a spaceship) in the prequel, his motivation to leave and find krypton would make a lot of sense, given some creative writing, 3) Lex could easily be dealt with. Perhaps Lex was the evil businessman we all know and love, but that before SR Superman's interference with his plots may have driven him a little MAD.


This works better than a straight reboot(the concept, not my examples), because although SR didn't work out as well as it should have, it would be a waste of money just to throw it in the trash and forget that it never happened. A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY.

Basically what I'm saying, is a good writer could take SR (a substandard movie) and frame it between a prequel origin which would severe the vague history BS, and a post SR sequel. Between the two frames, the outlook on SR could be vastly improved. It just takes someone intelligent to sit down, and write a pre SR origin, so that the Donner franchise no longer exists in the SR continuity (replaced by the prequel origin)

lastly, we shouldn't be afraid of prequels, just because some dumbass decide to prequelize his brilliant story, and ruin it in the process. This is not Star Wars, and it doesn't have to be. The prequel can work. It just has to be made by someone who cares about the story, rather than selling action figures and lego to 4 year olds.

Superfreak says it best. IMO

 

[NotFadeAway]

Uggghhh, I don't care to ever see Jason or Richard ever again, I don't want wig wearing Lex, I don't want Bosworth back, it's over, and your an idiot if you want these things, a complete idiot.

 

[FaT_tONle]

They won't end up using Routh.

Agreed.

SR was that bad of a movie.

Agreed.

There is nothing more to say... Close Thread.

 

[lukedoggwalker]

Uggghhh, I don't care to ever see Jason or Richard ever again, I don't want wig wearing Lex, I don't want Bosworth back, it's over, and your an idiot if you want these things, a complete idiot.

we wont see Jason OR Richard again. Lex doesnt HAVE to wear a wig. and they can easily recast Bosworth. and im not an idiot just an innovative thinker.

What is the point of making a prequel, when what you're really asking for is a reboot with the same cast?

that's why i corrected myself and said Prequel/Reboot. the point is to CONNECT the two movies, that way we wouldnt just throw SR away in the trash. let the Donner films be their own movies like Burton's Batman.

 

[NotFadeAway]

we wont see Jason OR Richard again. Lex doesnt HAVE to wear a wig. and they can easily recast Bosworth. and im not an idiot just an innovative thinker.



that's why i corrected myself and said Prequel/Reboot. the point is to CONNECT the two movies, that way we wouldnt just throw SR away in the trash. let the Donner films be their own movies like Burton's Batman.

Your not an innovative thinker. Your a clown, trying to hold onto Brandon Routh and the remains of a bad movie. SR needs to be thrown away, it's a film that never should have been made. It's time for a new Superman to be born.

 

[lukedoggwalker]

Your not an innovative thinker. Your a clown, trying to hold onto Brandon Routh and the remains of a bad movie. SR needs to be thrown away, it's a film that never should have been made. It's time for a new Superman to be born.

harsh.

 

[NotFadeAway]

harsh. =\

I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of hearing about Routh and Returns. It needs to be scrapped forever, and everything needs started anew. I don't understand the Routh love, how people can love a guy who showed nothing.

The whole thing with Singer/Routh was a mistake and we are paying for it now, while Batman is once again lavishing in success and acclaim. DC as a whole is moving on, and it's about time for a GL and Flash movie, but Superman is getting left behind because of this MISTAKE.

I've said it before, I was all in favor of an established Superman movie, so that we could get right to the juicy stuff. Not a rehash of Donner, show some origin flashbacks, but an established Superman movie in todays climate. Now we have to go back and do everything from scratch.