The Official Writer & Storyline Thread

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm aware that some people consider it 100% a reboot but are you aware that the movie also has elements to it that connect it directly to Hulk '03? Did u see Ang Lee's Hulk? The movie ends with Banner hiding out in South America. Hulk '03 also establishes the relationship between Bruce and Betty, not to mention General Ross. TIH glazes over the background on these characters because everyone knows it from Hulk '03. Aside from adding the super soldier serum into Hulk's background in preparation for Captain America and the upcoming Avengers movie, TIH works as a sequel.

He is right because that movie does work as a sequel just as much as a reboot because even though Marvel calls it a reboot it pretty much is right in line with the first movie and can be looked upon as such the only thing that really changed is how he became the Hulk.

 

[mego joe]

TIH doesn't work as a sequel b/c it completely redoes the origin. It's not connected in any substantial way to Ang Lee's Hulk.

 

[hippie_hunter]

He is right because that movie does work as a sequel just as much as a reboot because even though Marvel calls it a reboot it pretty much is right in line with the first movie and can be looked upon as such the only thing that really changed is how he became the Hulk.

The Incredible Hulk is not a sequel to Hulk in any shape or form really. The way he became Hulk and where he became Hulk are completely different.

 

[dark_b]

just because it starts in brazil doesnt connect it in any waaaaaay with the 03 hulk.

 

[HellHead]

I just hope they don't take TIH CGI approach for villains or anything. No Cartoon Network CGs, please.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

After that opening I think that it's pretty clear that TIH isn't a sequel to Hulk dispite starting off where it did. Still I can admit that it probably was a bit confusing to most.

 

[The Sage]

Screw the TIH approach...take the BB approach: Good and dedicated director, writer with extensive knowledge of the character, fresh start, fresh cast...go.

 

[Showtime]

How about taking the Superman approach?

 

[The Sage]

And what is the Superman approach, Showtime? Has it been invented yet?

 

[Zephyr Alexian]

How about taking the Superman approach?

ha,ha, I was wondering about that too.

I think financial concerns are crippling this film. Everyone is worried about the dollars and cents ratio before a story or a script. If the screenplay is as good as it possibly can be, people will come to see the film.

I don't mind seeing Routh in a Superman Sequel, but Superman's origin does not have to receive a proper explanation. I would rather see him in the midst of a crisis and how it affects him. We've never seen a film like that because the people involved are usually too enamored with the fact that he's Superman.

What makes him so great? Millions of people can verbally explain that to you, save for a consistent visual explanation on the silver screen.

 

[myway]

just because it starts in brazil doesnt connect it in any waaaaaay with the 03 hulk.[/QUOT

Just because one movie ends with the title character hiding out in Brazil and another begins with the same character hiding out in Brazil is no sort of connection? Saying that seems to me like plugging your fingers in your ears and screaming "no it's not! no it's not!" but what about the fact TIH refers to and plays off of past relationships between the characters which are not shown in the movie?

 

[DavidTyler]

just because it starts in brazil doesnt connect it in any waaaaaay with the 03 hulk.[/QUOT

Just because one movie ends with the title character hiding out in Brazil and another begins with the same character hiding out in Brazil is no sort of connection? Saying that seems to me like plugging your fingers in your ears and screaming "no it's not! no it's not!" but what about the fact TIH refers to and plays off of past relationships between the characters which are not shown in the movie?

Did you actually watch TIH?

The Brazil scene has nothing to do with the jungle scene in the Ang Lee film. There is no connection what so ever.

 

[mego joe]

And what is the Superman approach, Showtime? Has it been invented yet?

So far the 'Superman approach' has been to make a vague sequel to a 30 year old film.

So I know we don't want that--

BB approach sounds right to me.

 

[myway]

Did you actually watch TIH?

The Brazil scene has nothing to do with the jungle scene in the Ang Lee film. There is no connection what so ever.

I haven't seen TIH since the theaters so I guess a week or so from now I would be better equipped to refute this point but isn't the Hulk on the lam at the end of Hulk '03 and the beginnig of TIH?

 

[The Guard]

Yes, but that's mostly just an element of the TV series that both films borrowed.

 

[myway]

Yes, but that's mostly just an element of the TV series that both films borrowed.

I see. Still, the backstory in this movie was so scant that it seemed to me like that they just crowbarred the Super Soldier Serum into Hulk's background which was already covered in Hulk '03 and moved on. Maybe it's because it's coming out of my own thread, lol, but I think this idea of TIH as a sequel to Hulk '03 is debated enough that I'm gonna start a thread on it in on the Hulk boards. See you all there, lol.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I see. Still, the backstory in this movie was so scant that it seemed to me like that they just crowbarred the Super Soldier Serum into Hulk's background which was already covered in Hulk '03 and moved on. Maybe it's because it's coming out of my own thread, lol, but I think this idea of TIH as a sequel to Hulk '03 is debated enough that I'm gonna start a thread on it in on the Hulk boards. See you all there, lol.

There is no debate when the Marvel Studios President of Production, the director, and the main star of the movie have all come out and said that TIH is in NO way connected to Hulk '03.

 

[NotFadeAway]

If Return fans get Routh back, then I want Rosenbaum as Lex. Thats the deal!

 

[Showtime]

And what is the Superman approach, Showtime? Has it been invented yet?

Sure has, please guide yourself to any local comic book shop and be sure to check out the Superman section.

 

[kalelkilla]

I'm all for the reboot, but I just hope they don't dumb it down like they did with the HULK. Say what you want about Singer, but he gave Superman some depth. I'm all for increasing the action but let's have something a little more than a brawl between super powered beings please...TIH did not make much more money than Ang Lee's...we can have a movie with great depth and a lot of action...just ask Peter Jackson!

 

[dark_b]

I'm all for the reboot, but I just hope they don't dumb it down like they did with the HULK. Say what you want about Singer, but he gave Superman some depth. I'm all for increasing the action but let's have something a little more than a brawl between super powered beings please...TIH did not make much more money than Ang Lee's...we can have a movie with great depth and a lot of action...just ask Peter Jackson!

i think it was dumbed down compared to 03 hulk. but if you look at it like a comicbook movie its not so stupid and dumb.

 

[sdc10]

I dont think Hulk was dumbed down I just think Ang Lee just tried to do too much with the character with his interpretation with the whole conflict with his father and stuff it just got way too far away from its source material and did not feel like a comic book movie.

 

[kalelkilla]

One of the best compliments of TDK was by Richard Roeper, and he said that TDK, "was a great crime drama, that just so happened to be in a comic book universe." I love comic books, don't get me wrong, but for the mass audiences, I think the approach for Superman should be to make a great sci-fi/fantasy film first a foremost, that just so happens to be based on comic books...and the greatest Superhero of all time...in other words I don't want Superman to be just another "comic book movie" it has to be MORE and has the best potential to be much much more.

 

[fabman]

One of the best compliments of TDK was by Richard Roeper, and he said that TDK, "was a great crime drama, that just so happened to be in a comic book universe." I love comic books, don't get me wrong, but for the mass audiences, I think the approach for Superman should be to make a great sci-fi/fantasy film first a foremost, that just so happens to be based on comic books...and the greatest Superhero of all time...in other words I don't want Superman to be just another "comic book movie" it has to be MORE and has the best potential to be much much more.

Finally someone who thinks like me. But that should be the approach they should take on everyone of these movies, because - honestly - what the heck is a "comic book movie"? It would be like calling Harry Potter and The Da Vinci Code "book movies", which says absolutely nothing - and yet they're so different.

Same with movies based on comic books. Instead of following the "comic book scheme", they should just try to make movies based on these iconic characters. That's why I don't fully support what Marvel is doing, and why I'm in no rush for other movies based on DC Comics to be produced. Whenever they have a script, the right director and talent - let's make that damn science-fiction (or action - or horror, etc.) movie based on a DC character, but they shouldn't "force the material into a movie."

That's what I think went wrong with Hulk - both times. Ang Lee had a unique take on the character, which I fully support.The problem was the execution, which not everybody (incl. me) liked. What did they do with the following movie? "Just a 'comic book movie'". It's entertaining, but you forget about it as soon as the end credits roll. They should've tried to make a better, memorable movie, to make it right, not to take one step back and try to make the safest movie possible. That's not how you use these characters properly to make movies. Like I said, I don't really support what Marvel is doing (even though Brannagh directing Thor may be a step in the right direction).

 

[FaT_tONle]

Deep, emotional, mature film making isn't Marvel's game... they have to go for the throat... put the young teenagers in the seats... if you are an audience member who gets old and moves on... so be it. Marvel will move on to the next generation. It's about a fun, entertaining, light-hearted film making. Characters like Spiderman, Hulk, Iron Man... there is only so much you can do there. With Superman you can try to make it deep... but Singer already failed miserably. Don't be suprised if WB waters down the material. That's a legitimate concern.