The original X-Men is the best film

Coming out of the theater, I liked X2 better than X1... It seemed like a bigger movie, with more Cool Stuff Happening, and who could resist the Phoenix ending?

But y'know, looking back... I think X1 had a better emotional center to the stories than the second one. I felt for the characters more. And while X1 might have left some stuff on the table as far as the amount of superheroics in the movie, I think X2 might have gone a little over the top at times...

I think, right now, the only thing that keeps X1 from being better than X2 is the running time. It was an awfully short movie, by today's standards. If it had been fleshed out with an extra half-hour, it might just have taken the prize.
 
Absolutely right. This movie took itself serioiusly every step of the way (except for the silly toad struck by lightning thing) and that's why it's great. I"m a hulk movie fan but I'll admit that movie went overboard on the artsy stuff. X1 struck a blance between drama, coolness, story, overall serious take on the source that I've not seen in any other comic book movie besides Sin City. Where's the love for that? This movie could have been another fantastic four or catwoman but they wanted it to be good. And it is.

You could tell X2 was where they let loose and had fun with the mutants' more comic booky powers and stuff. But X1 was where we got a more grounded take on the xmen and their abilities, I think.I wish more comicbook movies did this. For some reason X2 feels more like a popcorn munching blockbuster film than X1. Begins got praise for being a more realistic batman instead of like the last few ones. It was what I call a fantasy that's dangerously close to reality and people loved it and held it up as an example to the rest of the comicbook movies to come. X1 did that already before begins was even a commited to paper and it was and still is my favorite x movie so far because of that.

Give the same treatment to Superman, Singer.
 
I hated X1 when I first saw it and it took a while to grow on me. It didn't capitolize on emotion or action. I was caught in the first ten minutes, but instead of climaxing it degraded.
I was amazed by X2. I was swept off my feet. X2 had great action that made the character bits stand out and shine. I was intrigue by every character that grace the screen. X1 never allowed me to get lost in the story like X2 did. X2 is far superior.
 
Despite the short runtime, I loved X1 and it felt like forever. The drama, the character development, the story and the action were all there. Xavier and Magneto got the best scenes. Cyclops was represented really well as a true leader. Wolverine, too, was represented as an unpredictable animal. The pacing was perfect. However, I wish they would've kept the deleted scenes because they were building up to the Cure and Dark Phoenix storylines that will happen in X3.

And the fight scenes were just unbelievable. I loved the train station scene. We got to see Toad climbing and snatching Cyclops' visor away, causing him to blow off the roof, Sabretooth choking Storm, Magneto flying. And also, the climax of the movie at the Liberty Island. It felt like the comics. The movie felt like what the X-Men would do.

I also loved X2. It was mostly the same with X1, but different and much bigger. Despite Cyclops' lack of screentime, he got some great scenes (Cyclops versus guards and Deathstrike, Cyclops' escaping Stryker's base with Xavier - even though it wasn't in the movie - Cyclops versus Jean and the entire ending with Cyclops). The fights were much better. The story was bigger.

X2 has more and better action scenes (Pyro causing havoc at the Drakes, Magneto's escape, Mystique versus Stryker's soldiers and her hilarious scene when she gave the finger and blew a kiss, Wolverine versus Deathstrike, Cyclops versus guards and Deathstrike, Nightcrawler's opening scene, Jean's sacrifice and of course, the mansion invasion). Stryker was a great villain. Shows a human side of him and revenge, of course.

I can't decide which is the best. They're both great, but I prefer X2 b/c of the increase in drama and action.
 
I like both (and I hope that soon, all three of them) equally, but I think X1 is the best.
I wasn't a fan of the X Men untill I saw X1, and I loved that movie primarily because of the characters.
The movie is short, but every single scene contributes to the story and the characters wonderfully. Making Rogue one of the main characters really drove home the point that mutation is not always a gift, but can be a curse too.

My favorite elements of the movie are all scenes between Rogue and Wolverine and the duality of Magneto's character, he walks a fine line between being a terrorist and a visionaire.
 
X1 was obviously the superior film. The direction was alot more effective, better character interaction, a better story, almost every aspect. Sure, X2 had bigger action scenes, but they did little to progress the story and the entire plot was a lazy rehash of the first film. It was completely uninvolving and boring.
 
x2 was MUCH better overall than x1 x1 better than x2? honestly you must be joking
 
I have to disagree with the majority of the posters in this thread. I went back and recently rewatched both of the first two X-movies, and X1 disappoints in a number of ways.

Basically, too much of the story just does not make sense.

First, regarding the scene in Canada where Sabretooth attacks Wolverine and Rogue: How does Magneto even know that Rogue exists, what her powers are, and where she is? That is never explained. It is also a stretch that Xavier would know about Sabretooth's attack on Wolverine and Rogue, although I presume that Xavier used Cerebro to track Sabretooth.

The scene where Jean Grey addresses the US Senate on mutation: The set there looks so ridiculously fake. Why would there be a big picture of the Capitol Building behind Jean? There is no such thing in a Senate hearing room. It would have been very easy and inexpensive to make a set that did resemble a real committee hearing room - a witness table where Jean would be seated (not standing) and then the committee members seated around that in a semicircle. Behind Jean and on the floor in front of her would be reporters, photographers, spectators, etc.

The scene where Wolverine accidently stabs Rogue in the middle of the night is completely unbelievable. Wolverine is having a bad dream, which just so happens to wake up Rogue and compel her to walk into Wolverine's room, and then Wolverine just so happens to wake up and stab his claws right where Rogue just so hapens to be standing. Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Watching it now makes me cringe. It is a very lame way of explaining Rogue's ability to temporarily gain the power of a mutant that touches her.

The scene where Senator Kelly escapes from Magneto and Co.: Again, very unbelievable. First, if Kelly is so important to Magneto's plans, why is he not monitored very closely? Then Kelly manages to stretch past the bars of his cell and slip through Sabretooth's grip... ok, fine. Yet Kelly somehow survives the fall all the way down to the water? Then Kelly, despite all his fear and confusion, is somehow able to navigate and survive his way all the way back to shore? Then in his weakened and confused state, he is somehow able to find the mansion and wander all the way to it? This seems like it was made part of the story in order to enable the X-men to learn of Magneto's plan and that his machine ultimately kills humans. Yet it comes off as way too sloppy, forced, and contrived.

Then, during the few action scenes, a recurring theme throughout them is the basic powerlessness of Jean Grey.

When Storm and Cyclops go to the train station to look for Rogue, why is Jean not with them? Her powers would have been useful in fending off Sabretooth and Toad. Then we find out that Jean is just sitting in a car with Xavier doing nothing. When the police confront Magneto, Sabretooth, and Toad (with Rogue on Toad's back), Xavier controls the minds of Sabretooth and Toad in an effort to stop Magneto. Xavier makes Sabretooth grab Magneto's neck. Why not have Sabretooth rip Magneto's telepathy-blocking helmet off of his head? Why not use Sabretooth to physically attack Magneto and/or Toad? Why can't Jean use her telekinesis to pull Rogue away from Toad? When Magneto points all the cops' guns back at them, why can't Jean point them away? When Mystique approaches with the helicopter to pick up her comrades, why can't Jean use her power to shove the helicopter away? Also, where is Storm? Cyclops is presumably not of much use with his visor ripped off by Toad, but Storm could have used wind/coldness/lightning to disrupt the Brotherhood's escape. Again, the storywriters *needed* the Brotherhood to succeed here, so that was just forced to happen even though the X-Men could have done more.

Then the final fight scene at the Statue of Liberty: When Magneto uses the scraps of metal to trap all the X-Men against the wall of the statue, why doesn't Jean do anything? She could use her power to remove the restraints, and while Magneto might be able to move them back, the back and forth battle between them could have distracted Magneto long enough for at least one X-Man to escape and attack Magneto. Then during the Wolverine vs. Sabretooth battle, Jean could have used her power to wisk Sabretooth away. Storm also could have done something if not with lightning, then with wind against both Magneto and Sabretooth.

Then of course Mystique inexplicably survives being stabbed right in the gut by Wolverine...

When this film first came out, I was excited at just being able to see my childhood heroes on the big screen. But now going back and analyzing it, much of the story comes across as sloppy and not thought out well at all.
 
Some good points there, Tony.

I agree mostly with your points on Jean, she was pretty weak in the movie. I wondered about why she didn't attack Magneto, Sabretooth or Toad telekinetically at the trainstation too, but I think she wasn't strong enough to do that. Why they made her that weak, I don't know. Was she still developping her powers and learning how to use them (deleted scene with Xavier in Cerebro seems to indicate so) ?
On the other hand, Magneto had all the advantages: Rogue as a hostage and guns pointed at policemen.

I think Xavier sent only Storm and Cyclops to the station to fetch Rogue because they didn't know of Magneto's plans for Rogue. Xavier thought he was after Wolverine.
Also, I think that after Cyclops blew the roof of the station, he and Storm had to leave quickly: they just used their powers out in the open, and almost tore down the station, bystanders could identify them as mutants, call the police and attack them.

Other things you mentioned, such as Magneto knowing of Rogue and Senator Kelly making it to the insitute are those typical movie conveniences, but they don't bother me.

On the whole, X1 feels "tighter" than X2.
 
Tony7682 said:
The scene where Wolverine accidently stabs Rogue in the middle of the night is completely unbelievable. Wolverine is having a bad dream, which just so happens to wake up Rogue and compel her to walk into Wolverine's room, and then Wolverine just so happens to wake up and stab his claws right where Rogue just so hapens to be standing. Sorry, but I just don't believe it. Watching it now makes me cringe. It is a very lame way of explaining Rogue's ability to temporarily gain the power of a mutant that touches her.

it's pretty obvious that rogue is next door to logan and that she hears him through the wall. and she was probably awake at the time anyway thinking about all the stuff that's happened to her that day (meeting logan, getting attacked by sabertooth, rescued by the x-men, finding a place to stay and finish school...).

and he stabs rogue cause when he awakes from the nightmare he thinks that it's one of the doctors standing over him (the one with the needle).

I thought it was a very good scene.
 
The only good thing in X-Men 1 was there's really a team work and the X-Men vs Brotherhood.
 
the_scream said:
I like X2 a lot but Singer was fantastic with the original. I watched it again recently and there is so much subtlety that is overlooked. My fav scene is where Prof X confronts Magneto in that hallway with all the Xs around them. There is so many wonderful visuals. The Xs surround them and the mirrors are great. Love the dialogue too.

This film feels like a small X-Men adventure. Prof X has a major role; Cykes is the hero in saving Wolverine and at the end; the X-Men work as a team; and nothing is overkill.

X2 is great but it turns into a Wolverine story too much with Prof X and Cykes delgated to nothing roles. Love the action but the team work aspect is lacking. There is a difference between making a good action film and making a really good "film". Watch the original again and pay attention to the subleties. The scenes are so rich and precise.
You have a good point, X1 was really good, I think it should have gotten 3 stars instead of 2 1/2, you have to watch it more than once to really begin to notice everything.
 
with al due respect i hated x1, i felt singer to artistic liberaties that no other comic book movie creator was aloud to do, and mad an anti-climatic movie, with very unimpressive action, the only saving grace in the movie for me was the fact that i was the xmen, and Ian Mckellen naid magneto to a t

x2 is an improvement of epic proportions, while still being obseredly inaccurate as far as characterization, and the second worst comic to film adaptation besides x1, the action in it gets alot better
 
the original is always the best!
 
Tony7682 said:
I have to disagree with the majority of the posters in this thread. I went back and recently rewatched both of the first two X-movies, and X1 disappoints in a number of ways.

Same here. I just went back and watched the two in preparartion for X3, and came away with the same feeling.

I would say that X-men was OK, but it's not as easy to rewatch, as far as action and even character goes. The first movie feels like excatly what it is..an introduction and set up. In that way it serves it's purpose. X2 feels like the real story. Going back to watch these films, I was struck by how mediocre I thought X-men was and how great X2 was. I'm re-inforced in my belief that X2 is definitely one of Marvel's best. Last Stand has a LOT to live up to.
 
who can forget cykes scene with the prof.X in x1 when te prof. is sick
 
Well, i'm just disappointed with the first movie in the fact we never have gotten even a verbal confirmation of Sabretooth and Wolverine's connection to each other yet. You'd think with 3 movies they'd have at least had someone say it by now. At least all the Cyke fans got see see cyclops in 3 straight movies here. all i have to go on is one movie that relegated Sabes to a supporting role. I hope the Wolverine spinoff rectifies this.
 
X1 was a better film and did a better job with presenting the X-characters.

What they could have changed
- They should have had Ray Park play Pyro instead since that was more like Pyro and would have been a better foil for Storm
- Sabretooth should have had a better costume and verbal confirmation like "I've been waiting a while for this little man" when fighting Wolverine that he knew Wolverine
- Toad could have still had a role, but he should have been looked down upon by Magneto and Jean should have handled him.

What was great
- Wolverine, most spot on performance of the character yet
- "I have a shot, I'm taking it" and "I'll take care of them".
- Scott and Logan's back and forth dialogue.
- The team dynamic
- The deleted scenes (were good)
- Storm's accent.
- The plot and script overall.
 
Out of all the X villians to choose from...and they chose toad? They wisely decided to drop him for X2. He was the worst part of that film....well, aside from Halle Berry I mean.
 
Having seen all three X-Movies now - and all three are very good - X1 is still the best. At the centre is Hugh Jackman's best Wolverine portrayal and Anna Paquin as Rogue. Then you have Ian McKellen as Magneto, before he started hamming it up, Mystique back when she was mysterious and sinister (she became something of a hero in X2), some really tense scenes between Prof X and Magneto (their final chess game has atmosphere completely missing from the sequels), James Marsden's most screentime (not that he gets much)....

All in all, it's the perfect X-Men film. The final scene completely sums up everything you need to know about X-Men. At the end, Magneto says, "The war is coming, Charles, and I intend to fight it - by any means neccessary." Prof X replies, "And I will always be there - old friend." Cue intense, dramatic theme tune cut to credits. It's perfect. It's definitive.
 
The Statue of liberty climax still packs a punch imo. Love it. Especially after when Wolverines trying to wake rogue up.
 
I loved Ray Park as Toad. And he deserved a role in Magneto's Brotherhood because he was the original Brotherhood member. THE original one.
 
Kevin Roegele said:
Having seen all three X-Movies now - and all three are very good - X1 is still the best. At the centre is Hugh Jackman's best Wolverine portrayal and Anna Paquin as Rogue. Then you have Ian McKellen as Magneto, before he started hamming it up, Mystique back when she was mysterious and sinister (she became something of a hero in X2), some really tense scenes between Prof X and Magneto (their final chess game has atmosphere completely missing from the sequels), James Marsden's most screentime (not that he gets much)....

All in all, it's the perfect X-Men film. The final scene completely sums up everything you need to know about X-Men. At the end, Magneto says, "The war is coming, Charles, and I intend to fight it - by any means neccessary." Prof X replies, "And I will always be there - old friend." Cue intense, dramatic theme tune cut to credits. It's perfect. It's definitive.
I totally agree you with, man. And the scene at the beginning of the movie, where magneto is in the concentration camp. It was one of the most beautifull scenes in the movie I thought. Magneto would have to be one of the greatest movie villains ever.
 
:xmen: Seriously, why the f*** are we still talking about this film!!!!! :xmen:
 
Because it was the beggening of the franchise. It is what brought us the great X2 and X3. Over all though I have to say that X1 is probably the weakest of the three films me thinks. It just doesn't come together nicely. You can tell that someone behind this movie didn't know enought about the characters when making it. THankfully they learned for X2 and got a whole new team fr X3.
 

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