The Penguin The Penguin on HBO - General Discussion

[Invader Joker]

Ok, this raises a good question Invader Joker: in the Fantastic Beasts series Jude Law portrays a younger version of Albus Dumbledore. Therefore, would it be more correct to say he is playing a young Richard Harris or a young Michael Gambon? The correct answer is he is playing a young Richard Harris, and also a young Michael Gambon, because they are all portraying the same character.

I'll just wait until Matt Reeves inevitably comes out talking about it and he talks about it as a recast, not as a "we're casting a younger version".

 

[Eddie Dean]

Dude, they have recast the character. And he’s playing a younger version.

 

[Filmfreak]

It's a younger version but it practically makes zero difference if it's only for couple of years. Fassbender plays a truly younger Magneto in First Class. They couldn't get Ian McKellen because they wanted someone who looked 40 years younger. By replacing Torturo with Mark Strong who is roughly the same age, the "younger version" argument is technically true but at the same irrelevant. They didn't get the latter so he can look younger, they got him because the former was probably unavailable like others have said. They could have easily gotten Strong to play an older version if the character hadn't died. So, again, to me it feels like unnecessary semantics..

 

[Eddie Dean]

They are almost a decade apart, but strong reads much younger on screen. Also the face that his hair is dyed jet black.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Invader, you could be right but I don’t understand why you’re so insanely hyper confident that Mark Strong will obviously be in flashbacks close to the time frame of The Batman. Sure! Maybe! But the only thing we know is that he’s clearly styled to look way younger in the image. Strong is only seven years younger than Turturro but he looks substantially younger, especially if he’s styled to be - the fact he looks nothing like John is totally irrelevant because that’s just meaningless in the grand scheme of things - the verisimilitude of film is entirely at the mercy of outside forces when it comes to situations like these.

Obviously it’s a recast. But, again, the literal only piece of info we have is a picture where he’s incredibly obviously supposed to look younger.

 

[Filmfreak]

I don't know, Mark Strong seems pretty old too in general. I am of the opinion that if they really wanted him for a younger Falcone they would get a much younger actor instead of trying to make a 60 year old look 50 or something. So for that reason alone I too am of the opinion that we'll likely get more recent stuff with him too somehow. Also because he's a pretty well known actor and his role seems really small in this.

 

[WatchProtect]

Maybe Mark Strong plays Young Falcone in Flashbacks and Clayface in present day

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Invader Joker]

Okay this looks way better! Excited again now.

 

[Kane52630]

Sofia in Arkham? LFG.

The trailer was great and I love all the little set designs that look like Gotham is a true dump.

 

[emielaen]

Footage looks even better. Glad to get a feel for how actual scenes are shot as they go along and getting more out of other actors and their performances. This looks very good.

 

[Sawyer]

Aside from the Covid part, that sounds like the dream IMO…

 

[TheGDBatman]

Yeahhhhhhhh, this looks….

Excellent.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Amazing trailer. Farrel is at the top of his game and Cristin Milioti is going to be a force in this. PUMPED for this.

 

[flickchick85]

Can already tell Cristin Milioti is absolutely gonna kill it.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Not sure if any of ya’ll watch Mythic Quest (if not, you should!) but Cristin was in an episode that was like its own mini movie and she was absolutely fantastic in it. She’s great in pretty much everything but that episode was so good that I can’t recommend it enough.

 

[Invader Joker]

I am ridiculously happy the show looks a trillion times better now than it did on any of the other teasers but I do find it extremely, extremely funny how long it took them to get to that point. Last teaser (which may be the worst one in terms of visuals) was a month ago and in this trailer they completely backtracked on some of the awful decisions of that one, mainly the vignetting which is not present at all here. I like to think they realized that doing any attempt to copy The Batman's look would end up looking extremely cheap because they cannot actually recreate it (and it had the problem of looking dark as hell in a way that because they're not Greig Fraser and a lot of that style was clearly them trying to put a square peg on a round hole which ended up looking really, really bad) so they just decided to go for their own thing which is very very TV looking but in a good way. The visuals now remind me a lot more of the style seen in shows like Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire, with some shades of Gotham thrown in there (Arkham in this teaser is shot basically identically to the way that Gotham shot it, which... GOOD!) And it's a lot better for it. Show looks now like it has its own identity that works rather than desperately trying to copy The Batman and failing. Instead of covering everything in overt post production color correcting darkness they've now more confidently turned the brightness up even if it means departing from the way The Batman looked.

Better late than never but it's so ****ing wild how they only got here 2 months before release. It genuinely is a complete overhaul on the visual way they were presenting the show and it legitimately makes me wonder what went on behind the scenes to get to this point. I guess the most obvious answer is test audiences not liking the vignetting and the desperate attempts at trying to recreate Fraser's darkness, etc. and this more TV look testing better (which no ****, it looks a lot better)

 

[Sawyer]

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Looks absolutely incredible. They very clearly went for making a great drama in the vein of The Sopranos or Boardwalk Empire first, rather than making a show that's based off a comic book character. This could maybe push creators to take more serious attempts with comic book properties on TV in the same way that Daredevil did when it landed on Netflix. (Not a dig at shows like The Boys or Sandman- I just haven't seen them yet)

 

[Deck Rickard]

Looks absolutely incredible. They very clearly went for making a great drama in the vein of The Sopranos or Boardwalk Empire first, rather than making a show that's based off a comic book character. This could maybe push creators to take more serious attempts with comic book properties on TV in the same way that Daredevil did when it landed on Netflix. (Not a dig at shows like The Boys or Sandman- I just haven't seen them yet)

Definitely watch Sandman! It’s amazing. Even if Neil Gaiman is unfortunately a POS.

 

[Gothamsknight]

This continues to look excellent, as expected

 

[Invader Joker]

Full panel.

 

[antsman41]

THE HANGMAN

 

[blueharvest]