The Post DKR reboot- What I want to see

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Nolan and Bale both have said their be done with Batman after DKR, and WB has basically said they'd be rebooting Batman after the "Dark Knight Trilogy" ends.

Here's where I want to just say what I think the reboot should be like.

Strike a happy medium in tone. I think the best way to put this would be to say they should go somewhere around where Paul Dini normally treads (in the old Animated Series, in the Arkham games, in his run on Detective Comics...): Dark, mature and complex, yes, but certainly not without humor and some loopy stuff here and there.

Don't dwell on the origin too much, and don't make it a case of being "Batman's first adventure" Every person in the free world knows it by now. Instead, make the majority of the story take place some time early in Batman's career (pre-Robin), where he's already a established presence in Gotham, and has already fought many (but not all) of his rogue's gallery. Stop assuming that everybody is an idiot that needs to have stuff explained to him, I know plenty of people who didn't see Batman Begins but who watched and enjoyed The Dark Knight, so I see no reason why having Batman reboot straight into a world where he's already Batman couldn't.

Make the opponent an honest-to-goodness Supervillain with Super-powers. What better way to differentiate any reboot from Nolan then to do this? And the thing is, Batman's superpowered villains have never been done justice in live action. Poison Ivy was made into a caricature in Batman&Robin and folks like Clayface, Croc and Man-Bat have never even shown up.

Hint at the Joker, but don't bring him back yet.
Hint at how horrible this universe's version of the Joker is, but don't actually bring him in yet. Heath is still too fresh in everyone's mind. But, what if, for example, at the end Batman is bringing somebody into Arkham, and, in the distance, you can hear laughter echoing down the hallways.

Prepare for Robin. Don't bring him in in the first movie, or even the second, but eventually, bring in Robin. It's his time to return, and there has to be a teenage actor somewhere that can do well.

Prepare for crossover. Eventually, WB will want to do a JLA movie, so make it so that the next version of Batman wouldn't look out of place hanging with Superman and the others.
 
What would really be interesting is if WB casted a younger guy as Batman (25-ish years old) and sets it up for a long run over a period of about 10 years (ala Harry Potter). Give us a new Batman film every 2-3 years with the same actor as Batman... let him own the role by maturing in it. The creative team would then start us from Year One, and by the time we get to the 5th or 6th installment, we'd be dealing with the much sinister themes. We never have really gotten to see a "complete" Batman world because the whole shebang has ended by 3 films. Nolan for example will have had the most "complete" run but there's still so many villains and characters he could've explored if he was able to do 2 or 3 more films. Anyway... just a thought :cwink:
 
The next series should be about Robin. Have an established Batman from the get go and the movies tell the story of Dick Grayson from young (13-15) circus performer, to one half of the Dynamic Duo, to his own man (Nightwing). No Nightwing movies though. The story's over once he becomes that identity.
 
I want to see Nolan, his wife, and brother stay way from the next franchise in anyway.
 
The next series should be about Robin. Have an established Batman from the get go and the movies tell the story of Dick Grayson from young (13-15) circus performer, to one half of the Dynamic Duo, to his own man (Nightwing). No Nightwing movies though. The story's over once he becomes that identity.

Bingo. I'd set it up with a trilogy with the same case to tell the tale of Dick Grayson from orphan, to Robin, to Nightwing. Then open the path for a more Bond-like franchise. But I really do want certain key stories adapted. Specifically A Death In The Family and A Lonely Place of Dying. Both those stories are crucial elements of Batman's character. Plus, it opens things up so we can have Grayson, Todd and Drake.
 
Personally, I'd rather they do Tim Drake as Robin instead.

His origin is more ready-made for a more modern and mature audiences.

They could still very much do the whole story arc with him becoming his own man, too. They've already done as much in the comics with his transition to Red Robin.
 
Ummm, keep it as distant style wise and even tone wise from the Nolan films. Not because they were bad by any means, just to keep the unique-ness and originality of the BEST superhero movie trilogy (and probably even one of the best cinematic trilogies ever considering the RARE great movie trilogies) away from any potential hanger ons.

I want someone to come up with their own vision. Preferably a balance more akin to Batman '89 where things I are stylized and more superficially "comic book" type imagery, but level it off with the same level of grit and believability and not be uber fantasy like Returns, Forever and BnR.
 
Frank Miller's All Star Batman and Robin is perfect for a big-screen adaptation. :awesome: Seriously, I think Robin's such a ***** that he needs an origin story like that. And give us the sexed-up Vicki Vale, like Chase Meridian on steroids. :awesome:

Take a look at Sin City, that's gritty and adult yet doesn't take itself too seriously and gives a stylised approach.

The problem with Nolan's movies is that they are too 'straight-laced'. Tim Burton achieved the perfect balance with Batman '89, between Nolan and Schumacher. Slightly less with Batman Returns, but I still like BR.
 
The problem with Nolan's movies is that they are too 'straight-laced'.
I wouldn't say it is a "problem" considering Nolan's films have literally been the MOST well recieved and widely praised Batman films around.

It might not be suitable stylisitcally for the more over the top, comic booky / cartoony appreciation crowd. And in that regard, I agree. Burton probably found the best balance with Batman '89 (style and look) wise, along with a believable world without going far too over the top ala Batman Returns, Batman Forever, etc.

Nolan does have many actual fantastical things happening in the story, it's just more grounded. And presented LITERALLY. As all Nolan films have had fantasy elements presented in straight face, serious fashion. That's why some people had issues with Inception. For a movie dealing with super imagination such as dreams, Nolan played it fairly straight faced and LITERAL, with alot of exposition and explanation for what was happening in the movie.

His Batman movies are the same way. That's why his Batman films are by far and away the best and most compelling stories. Where as I might give the strong overpowering comic booky and arresting visuals to the Burton films.
 
Anyone for a 1940's noirish period piece?


I would like to see it set in the 40's with gangsters, cars, women and Batman's first real villain (DR. DEATH)

And for god sakes, INCLUDE ROBIN... make him BADASS
 
Anyone for a 1940's noirish period piece?


I would like to see it set in the 40's with gangsters, cars, women and Batman's first real villain (DR. DEATH)

And for god sakes, INCLUDE ROBIN... make him BADASS

No thank you to period pieces, but I would love a straight-up neo-noir detective thriller.
 
I'd like to see instead of a trilogy of films why not make it a 4-film series? that way if the 3rd one sucks the 4th one can redeem it.

I'd also don't like the idea of rebooting the series so soon after the last, wait for a good 15 years or so.

And for once I'd like to see maybe an all out action Die Hard style of Batman movie, maybe adapting the Ten Nights Of The Beast storyline from the 80's.
 
No thank you to period pieces, but I would love a straight-up neo-noir detective thriller.


Why does it have to be NEO-noir?

What Nolan did was already kind of neo-noir.

Why not just make it a straight up film noir IN THE VAIN OF Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe?

Babes with crimson lips, guys with fedoras and machine guns, old school 40's cars and a world without computers, cell phones etc.

We haven't seen period pieces. We have seen what a modern Bat-film can be. SHOW US SOMETHING NEW!
 
Why does it have to be NEO-noir?

What Nolan did was already kind of neo-noir.

Why not just make it a straight up film noir IN THE VAIN OF Sam Spade or Philip Marlowe?

Babes with crimson lips, guys with fedoras and machine guns, old school 40's cars and a world without computers, cell phones etc.

We haven't seen period pieces. We have seen what a modern Bat-film can be. SHOW US SOMETHING NEW!

Neo-Noir/Modern noir, because I like seeing Batman in the modern world more than that of the 1940s.
 
Frank Miller's All Star Batman and Robin is perfect for a big-screen adaptation. :awesome: Seriously, I think Robin's such a ***** that he needs an origin story like that.

And give us the sexed-up Vicki Vale, like Chase Meridian on steroids. :awesome:

Take a look at Sin City, that's gritty and adult yet doesn't take itself too seriously and gives a stylised approach.

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Hell no to the psychopathic Batman who kidnaps orphaned young boys and tortures them in the Batcave. Hell no to a Vicki Vale who is nothing but **** & Ass. This is a Batman film, not a Michael Bay film, and I hope never the twain shall meet.

The problem with Nolan's movies is that they are too 'straight-laced'. Tim Burton achieved the perfect balance with Batman '89, between Nolan and Schumacher. Slightly less with Batman Returns, but I still like BR.

What do you mean by "straight-laced"?
 
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Hell no to the psychopathic Batman who kidnaps orphaned young boys and tortures them in the Batcave. Hell no to a Vicki Vale who is nothing but **** & Ass. This is a Batman film, not a Michael Bay film, and I hope never the twain shall meet.



What do you mean by "straight-laced"?

I think he's talking about the lack of any real comic book inspired ideas, like science fiction elements. These are films that take themselves too seriously. Sure they need to be seriuos, but they also need to be fun. Batman Begins is a near perfect film. TDK drags on which isn't what you want for a Batman film
 
I think he's talking about the lack of any real comic book inspired ideas, like science fiction elements. These are films that take themselves too seriously. Sure they need to be seriuos, but they also need to be fun. Batman Begins is a near perfect film. TDK drags on which isn't what you want for a Batman film

Batman is a character who takes himself 100% serious, so I don't mind if the film reflects that. Also, I never felt that The Dark Knight dragged on. It's engaging from start to finish for me.
 
I want to see Nolan, his wife, and brother stay way from the next franchise in anyway.

Well I heard Nolan & his wife will be producers of the next movies.... So they not leaving yet.....

If I was executive at WB I make Nolan direct Batman movies forever but I'm sure he want to do other films.
 
As producers I think Nolan and his wife should basically be tasked with quality control, not creative direction. We'll see what their involvement on that end means for MOS. Seems they are taking a kind of hands off approach though.
 
None of the live action Batmen were ever shown to simply watch the city waiting for a crime from the rooftops like Batman used to do in comics. I mean, the 89 movie showed a little of that in the beginning and BB and in small dozes TDK showed him on the rooftops as well but spying, not watching for street crimes. So something like that wouldve been nice to see in any future incarnation
 
None of the live action Batmen were ever shown to simply watch the city waiting for a crime from the rooftops like Batman used to do in comics. I mean, the 89 movie showed a little of that in the beginning and BB and in small dozes TDK showed him on the rooftops as well but spying, not watching for street crimes. So something like that wouldve been nice to see in any future incarnation

That might be interesting. I think that such a scene might be awesome if he was sitting next to a gargoyle, perhaps subtly in the background, then leaping into action as we hear cries for help.

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Yeah, spending nights sitting on a gargoyle and looking around is such a signature thing for him to do, I would love to see it someday in a movie. Again, it WAS done in B89 but very briefly
 
Yeah, spending nights sitting on a gargoyle and looking around is such a signature thing for him to do, I would love to see it someday in a movie. Again, it WAS done in B89 but very briefly

As would I.
 
I would like to see a style similar to the batman animated series 2 parter that introduced clayface. There's so many episodes of BTAS that could be built on or even put together. Dini did awesome work and I'm hoping the animated series world could be brought to life in the next series.

I also wouldn't mind robin being part of the next series if he is the Arkham city type robin. I've never been a fan of the character but he's pretty badass in AC
 
Well I heard Nolan & his wife will be producers of the next movies.... So they not leaving yet.....

If I was executive at WB I make Nolan direct Batman movies forever but I'm sure he want to do other films.

What's your source that he will be involved in future Batman projects? A link perhaps?
 

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