The Post DKR reboot- What I want to see

[Mako]

http://collider.com/batman-reboot-warner-bros-christopher-nolan-producer/83025/

 

[Muzzled Penguin]

I want to see Nolan, his wife, and brother stay way from the next franchise in anyway.

Amen to that!!

 

[Mister Meddle]

I want to see Nolan, his wife, and brother stay way from the next franchise in anyway.

Agreed.

Yeah, spending nights sitting on a gargoyle and looking around is such a signature thing for him to do, I would love to see it someday in a movie. Again, it WAS done in B89 but very briefly

Same here. There's nothing better than seeing Batman watching over the city from above right beside a Gargoyle as if he's a dark, guardian angel.

 

[regwec]

I want to see more detail. BB, TDK and, I suspect, TDKR are typical Nolan movies in that everything that happens is intended to advance or reflect the over-arching themes. That makes for a well crafted, coherent and pleasingly paced movie, but it also tends to subordinate character and spectacle. I think this is a key factor in the perception of many that Nolan's Batmovies are somewhat 'cold' or 'lifeless'. Obviously, you have to strike a balance; I wouldn't want to see a Batman movie that was plodding, whimsical and cluttered with 'Easter eggs'. But I love Batman first and foremost, and I am not ashamed to say I have an interest in seeing the familiar elements of his world on screen.

So, the plot and themes may not absolutely demand the inclusion of The Iceberg Lounge or Jervis Tetch among the inmates of Arkham Asylum, but I don't see any harm in a bit of 'detail' being included in order to hint at the breadth and depth of the imaginary world that exists before and after the run time. I mean, I think that's why everyone loved Star Wars when it first came out.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

I am of the opinion that Nolan severely limited himself as a director with the "realism" thing. It's a comic book superhero. There is no reason why it couldn't have kept the Batman Year One/crime drama feel while still incorporating the more fantastic aspects of a comic book.

This is similar to what BTAS did.

 

[El Payaso]

I want to see more detail. BB, TDK and, I suspect, TDKR are typical Nolan movies in that everything that happens is intended to advance or reflect the over-arching themes. That makes for a well crafted, coherent and pleasingly paced movie, but it also tends to subordinate character and spectacle. I think this is a key factor in the perception of many that Nolan's Batmovies are somewhat 'cold' or 'lifeless'. Obviously, you have to strike a balance; I wouldn't want to see a Batman movie that was plodding, whimsical and cluttered with 'Easter eggs'. But I love Batman first and foremost, and I am not ashamed to say I have an interest in seeing the familiar elements of his world on screen.

So, the plot and themes may not absolutely demand the inclusion of The Iceberg Lounge or Jervis Tetch among the inmates of Arkham Asylum, but I don't see any harm in a bit of 'detail' being included in order to hint at the breadth and depth of the imaginary world that exists before and after the run time. I mean, I think that's why everyone loved Star Wars when it first came out.

Neh, I think they just fell in love with the never-seen-before special effects, didn't find any further way to be in love with them so they just started to love everything that was around them by default.

 

[regwec]

Sure, but those special effects were used to flesh out an implicitly detailed and coherent universe. I think a bit of detail makes an imaginary environment a bit more substantial and satisfactory. Nolan's Gotham, as seen in BB and TDK, doesn't have much of an identity to me. It is a vague and changeable city scape in which the outlines of characters play out a variety of themes. It's a really interesting stylistic choice, but not one that I particularly like.

I want to feel that there are characters and places beyond the sides of the lens.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

Currently I'd most like to see a Batman movie that takes place after the death of Jason Todd and it ramifications. Batman had already had a falling out (and an eventual reconsiliantion) with Dick Grayson now Nightwing and Barbara Gordon has been Oracle for a few years. The Joker is perfect as the movie's villain but since it's too soon for him outside of a flashback, Mr.Freeze can work as almost a mirror image of Batman,a man who's lost of a loved one leaves him with a hollow soul.

The Dick Grayson story is something I'd explore in a Nightwing solo picture.

New Batman 1-Mr Freeze(main villain), Killer Croc(James Bond style cameo villain),Joker (flashback only)

New Batman 2-Black Mask (main villain for both Batman and Bruce Wayne), Riddler and the introduction of Tim Drake who becomes Robin at the end

New Batman 3-Hugo Strange (has figured out the Batman is Bruce Wayne and hires Clayface to impersonate the deceased Jason Todd in an attempt to emotionally and then physically take his place.)

 

[CConn]

I want to see more detail. BB, TDK and, I suspect, TDKR are typical Nolan movies in that everything that happens is intended to advance or reflect the over-arching themes. That makes for a well crafted, coherent and pleasingly paced movie, but it also tends to subordinate character and spectacle. I think this is a key factor in the perception of many that Nolan's Batmovies are somewhat 'cold' or 'lifeless'. Obviously, you have to strike a balance; I wouldn't want to see a Batman movie that was plodding, whimsical and cluttered with 'Easter eggs'. But I love Batman first and foremost, and I am not ashamed to say I have an interest in seeing the familiar elements of his world on screen.

So, the plot and themes may not absolutely demand the inclusion of The Iceberg Lounge or Jervis Tetch among the inmates of Arkham Asylum, but I don't see any harm in a bit of 'detail' being included in order to hint at the breadth and depth of the imaginary world that exists before and after the run time. I mean, I think that's why everyone loved Star Wars when it first came out.

That's a good point.

Although, I do think Nolan puts a lot of focus on characters in his films. I think the lifelessness comes from Bale himself. If you look at his catalog of films, you'll find most of the characters he plays ultimately are portrayed as incredibly distant and emotionally removed.

But you are right about Nolan ignoring spectacle. I made a post about Wally Pfister's cinematography and actually showed that even the way in which Nolan shoots his films, he has all the visual focus be on his actors and very, very rarely does he pay any attention at all to the scenery.

 

[Macphisto]

Nolan's films are a bit like being on a 2hr-plus roller coaster with a pseudo-intellectual sitting next to you screaming, 'Fear! Escalation! Evil Rises!!!' and a slightly camp German fella with a horn fetish. The ride also stops periodically so that a geriatric English bloke who smells of Werther's Original toffees can explain to you what has just happened, what it all means, and what will be happening next. Nolan doesn't do character; he does plot. Everything is about maintaining the plot at a steady pace, always moving, like a shark. But he has a habit of picking likeable experienced actors who can make the endless plot and thematic speak sound almost natural and profound. I've noticed younger actors/actresses like Ellen Page tend to struggle with his dialogue. As Gary Oldman has conceded: "I do get my share of exposition! You have to make plot character, which is easier said than done. But it’s a mindset that you, the actor, have to have going in: 'Alright, it’s plot, I’m going to surrender to it... Just relax into it.' Maybe that’s age — as you do it longer you calm down. I think as a younger actor I would have said, '****in’ ’ell, I’ve got all this ****in’ plot. I can’t say this!'"

I do enjoy most of his films, however.

 

[Fudgie]

I want someone who can deliver the same great character development, plots and have the high level of understanding of Batman that Nolan has. He's set a really high standard. I want it met or surpassed.

 

[CConn]

Nolan's films are a bit like being on a 2hr-plus roller coaster with a pseudo-intellectual sitting next to you screaming, 'Fear! Escalation! Evil Rises!!!' and a slightly camp German fella with a horn fetish. The ride also stops periodically so that a geriatric English bloke who smells of Werther's Original toffees can explain to you what has just happened, what it all means, and what will be happening next. Nolan doesn't do character; he does plot. Everything is about maintaining the plot at a steady pace, always moving, like a shark. But he has a habit of picking likeable experienced actors who can make the endless plot and thematic speak sound almost natural and profound. I've noticed younger actors/actresses like Ellen Page tend to struggle with his dialogue. As Gary Oldman has conceded: "I do get my share of exposition! You have to make plot character, which is easier said than done. But it’s a mindset that you, the actor, have to have going in: 'Alright, it’s plot, I’m going to surrender to it... Just relax into it.' Maybe that’s age — as you do it longer you calm down. I think as a younger actor I would have said, '****in’ ’ell, I’ve got all this ****in’ plot. I can’t say this!'"

I do enjoy most of his films, however.

That most makes me want to slap you.

 

[Boom]

One thing I will say about Nolan is that the themes in his movies are pretty heavy-handed. He usually spells them out very clearly through exposition - sometimes to the point of excess.

I love what he's done for this franchise, but I'm hoping the next director goes for a more subtle and nuanced approach.

 

[Macphisto]

That most makes me want to slap you.

Charming.

 

[Macphisto]

I think someone like Andrew Dominik would deliver a great character piece. He explores characters psyche without stripping them of every ounce of mystery. His films are psychological, haunting and visceral.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

I want to see a new trilogy that takes the sophistication, great casting, character writing and the seriousness of the nolan movies and teams it up with a visual approach that doesn't shy away from being a bit cliche and I mean cliche in the most positive way possible. The only thing I didn't like about the Nolan movies (because overall I love them and think they are the best movie take on Batman yet) is the fact that he sometimes seems to go out of his way to make sure nothing looks too stylized. His Arkham for example is a very real interpretation of an Asylum in a big US city, but it look so boooooring. I want the cliche with the old, creepy mansion on a hill, always surrounded by bad weather and the big Arkham Asylum sign on the frontgate.
The same thing for his Batman poses. In Batman Begins he showed us a couple of great shots of the Bat standing on top of something with his cape dangling in the wind but he shied away from shots like that in TDK to keep it realistic and cliche free, I think. Remember the shot of Batman standing on the building in TDK, when he listens in to the police call, shortly before he breaches the crime scene with the two dead cops (Harvey and Dent)? It is such a lame shot! He just stands there with his hand on the side of his head, like he's holding a phone. Nothing iconic or gothic about that shot and it could've been so much cooler. Imagine the same scene with Batman in the rain, next to a gargoyle, with his cape going all whoooosh in the wind. I kinda miss that.

Other than that I would love for the next director to focus on the one thing Nolan didn't focus on: the supernatural. Mix the stories up with a bit of horror, which would go great with the more stylish visual approach.
By the way, when I say stylish or gothic I don't mean Burton. I really didn't like anything about his movies. he takes that thing a bit too far.

 

[CConn]

Charming.

Is it any less charming than "'****in’ ’ell, I’ve got all this ****in’ plot"?

 

[Cain]

Christopher Nolan

I just want something where Batman is already an established hero. But still looks like it's own universe and not some familiar city in the real world. Go all out stylistically but keep it rooted in being a detective adventure for once and not some Clancy like thriller. To me that is the way to go. Good luck to whoever follows Nolan though cause they're going to be critiqued relentlessly no matter what.

 

[regwec]

That most makes me want to slap you.

Charming.

Is it any less charming than "'****in’ ’ell, I’ve got all this ****in’ plot"?

Be friends, and be of good cheer!

I want to see a new trilogy that takes the sophistication, great casting, character writing and the seriousness of the nolan movies and teams it up with a visual approach that doesn't shy away from being a bit cliche and I mean cliche in the most positive way possible. The only thing I didn't like about the Nolan movies (because overall I love them and think they are the best movie take on Batman yet) is the fact that he sometimes seems to go out of his way to make sure nothing looks too stylized. His Arkham for example is a very real interpretation of an Asylum in a big US city, but it look so boooooring. I want the cliche with the old, creepy mansion on a hill, always surrounded by bad weather and the big Arkham Asylum sign on the frontgate.

I think you make a good point. There is actually something very psychological about some of the places in Gotham City. Arkham Asylum is the most obvious example; it is almost a living entity, glowering depressingly at the outside world and growing sickly on a diet of madness and depravity. Similarly, Wayne Manor ought to illustrate Bruce's sense of isolation from others, his smallness and loneliness within, and the immensity of his parents' legacy. Gotham City in its entirety is the breeding ground of costumed maniacs, both good and evil. Its colossal, looming architecture; its filthy, shadow-laden streets; and its impassive, daemonic sculpture ought to be seen as forming the environment from which the madness is grown and cultivated.

You lose all of that if you reduce Gotham to a blank geometry of shining glass and steel. It's sterile and, to me, it doesn't seem to fit.

 

[Macphisto]

Is it any less charming than "'****in’ ’ell, I’ve got all this ****in’ plot"?

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I didn't say that. That's a direct quote from Gary Oldman in Empire magazine.

I forgive you.

 

[CConn]

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I didn't say that. That's a direct quote from Gary Oldman in Empire magazine.

I forgive you.

I never said you did.

I'm just ****ing with you, anyway.

 

[Macphisto]

I never said you did.

I'm just ****ing with you, anyway.

 

[TX85]

I had an idea that I posted months ago in another thread But now I've changed my mind a bit!,My new ideas..

Gotham-Similar to Batman Returns or The Crow

Dark&Gritty setting-Similar to The Crow

Bruce Wayne-Mid 20's/Having the smarts of Kilmer&Clooney's Bruce's put together/Inventive like Fox in Nolan's Universe and having amazing detective skills..While having the psyche of Keaton&Kilmer's Bruce's(including having flashbacks to his parents&their death)

Batman-Known about for a while But not established(like in Batman'89)

Batsuit-Arkham City's game suit(with small tweaks to the gauntlets)or similar to Batman Returns(IF WB feels it has to be all black)

Batmobile-Black Lamborghini with gadgets from the Tumbler&Batpod

Gordon-Already a commissionaire,Having a teen daughter named..Barbara

Story 1:
Batman-A young vigilante has his first big challenge with a villain nicknamed"Hush",A plastic surgeon turn mad&obsessed with changing his own appearance,Killing people to steal their flesh Batman has to track&stop him before Hush adds more victims to his twisted list

 

[ALP]

There's no way in hell I want another origin story 3/4 years after TDKR. They're going that route with Amazing Spidey and I'm still not totally sold. The idea that they must reboot with an origin after every single trilogy is extremely annoying. But at the same time, I can't imagine anyone not named Chris Nolan doing the series starring Bale, Oldman, Caine Freeman, etc. Without a doubt, the best thing would be to get Nolan back in the director's chair for a 4th film but that's just not gonna happen. So now it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. And coming off the heels of Nolan, the next Batman film will have a struggle no matter what.

 

[regwec]

I think you might be overestimating the esteem in which a lot of the audience holds Chris Nolan. He has probably got them used to well directed Batman movies, but I doubt that they are nearly as closed minded about every other director as some Batman fans seem to be.

I agree that yet another reboot would be the wrong way to go. I think the next director should take it for granted that the whole world knows who Bruce Wayne is and why he became Batman. They should just get on with telling a compelling story.