The President Obama Thread: 'Killed Osama! Woot!' Edition

[Marx]

Well...Al Gore should have been our president in 2000. (Don't even get me started! )

 

[Thread Manager]

This is a continuation thread, the old thread is [split]346911[/split]

 

[Marx]

Better at what? working beyond party lines? Are there examples....honestly I knew very little of him as a Senator.

No...I was saying that Obama was better at the 'I can be a uniter' campaign tactic than most.

 

[SrsBsns]

POLL: NEARLY HALF WOULD VOTE FOR A SECOND OBAMA TERM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/23/poll-obama-in-good-shape-reelection_n_839593.html

I would be willing to bet money right here and right now that Obama will not get a second term.

 

[Marx]

...based on what exactly?

 

[enterthemadness]

...based on what exactly?

What he has done so far. A poor attempt at healthcare reform which demands people pay for it or else. Yes, he tried, but Obamacare is a mess. We are still in places we should not be. Now we are in Libya. The economy still sucks. He's another Bush. Except he's a good talker.

 

[chaseter]

At this point in time, he will be re-elected. Last fall, he would not have. Things change very quickly in politics.

 

[Marx]

What he has done so far. A poor attempt at healthcare reform which demands people pay for it or else. Yes, he tried, but Obamacare is a mess.

I have my issues with 'Obamacare' but there is quite alot of good in it.

We are still in places we should not be.

...and both of those situations are coming to an end.

Now we are in Libya.

...as part of a UN coalition to enforce a no-fly zone.

The economy still sucks.

Yes it does...but it's an improvement from the disaster that it was.

He's another Bush. Except he's a good talker.

No...just no.

 

[DACrowe]

Way too early to tell. I'll just say he knows how to get voters where he wants them when he puts a lot of effort in. Look at the swing from early November to late December of last year. True, most of what he got done he considered vital and essential to his agenda (New START, DADT Repeal, New Food Regulatory Laws and 1-year extension for Unemployment Benefits. 9/11 Healthcare was a bonus that was pushed through by the tireless Democrats representing the state of New York). But he sold the heck out of it, because he was very conscious of how vulnerable he was post-midterms.

His approval ratings jumped from the low 40s to the high 50s in under two months. That is a good politician. When 2012 rolls around and he goes into full campaign mode...watch out.

I used to say that unemployment numbers will determine his reelection. Now, I'll say unemployment numbers and the outcome in Libya. It's too early to tell what those outcomes will be.

 

[Kelly]

No...I was saying that Obama was better at the 'I can be a uniter' campaign tactic than most.

In his campaign, yes...but he can't play that card this time...not after his comments like “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"...or the, "we have the keys, you gotta sit in the back seat" to the Republicans.....

I know the first is from a movie, but neither of those quotes shouts "uniter"....

 

[Marx]

In his campaign, yes...but he can't play that card this time...not after his comments like “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"...or the, "we have the keys, you gotta sit in the back seat" to the Republicans.....

I know the first is from a movie, but neither of those quotes shouts "uniter"....

I didn't make that post today. Don't you love 'thread manager'..?

 

[Kelly]

I was wondering, because I was like......damn, when did "I" make the post you replied to???????


When were ANY OF THOSE POSTS MADE...???? TODAY?

 

[Marx]

Everything from the third post on is from today.

 

[Kelly]

Oh.....well then I disagree.....our economy sucks more, simply because our bank account still has a negative balance, and we now owe MORE money... there is nothing even "a little better" about that.

 

[Raiden]

Way too early to tell. I'll just say he knows how to get voters where he wants them when he puts a lot of effort in. Look at the swing from early November to late December of last year. True, most of what he got done he considered vital and essential to his agenda (New START, DADT Repeal, New Food Regulatory Laws and 1-year extension for Unemployment Benefits. 9/11 Healthcare was a bonus that was pushed through by the tireless Democrats representing the state of New York). But he sold the heck out of it, because he was very conscious of how vulnerable he was post-midterms.

His approval ratings jumped from the low 40s to the high 50s in under two months. That is a good politician. When 2012 rolls around and he goes into full campaign mode...watch out.

I used to say that unemployment numbers will determine his reelection. Now, I'll say unemployment numbers and the outcome in Libya. It's too early to tell what those outcomes will be.

I'm not too happy about US's involvement in Libya, but it's an UN coalition and since US is part of the Security Council, we do have an obligation to participate in this. I just want other UN nations to get involved as well.

 

[Kelly]

No we aren't....

 

[Paradoxium]

It won't be hard to reduce unemployment numbers. If you tweak the statistics that is. According to Gallup, there hasn't been any improvement from last February to now in unemployment figures. Stuff like not including people who "given up" is disingenuous.

Really it's not a case of Obama losing because he is bad. It's more likely the Republican will select someone worse.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Obama wll win or lose based on the political climate at the time.

I remember when people thought McCain had a good chance of winning and then Obama did better in the debates and eventually won by a healthy margin. So you never know.

It might be like the Bush 2004 election where people didn't like Bush but they hated Kerry even worse.

 

[DACrowe]

I'm not too happy about US's involvement in Libya, but it's an UN coalition and since US is part of the Security Council, we do have an obligation to participate in this. I just want other UN nations to get involved as well.

We weren't obligated, per se. But we voted for it and were the ones who pressured Russia and China to abstain--and people said Obama getting buddy, buddy with Medvedev wouldn't pay off. Ha! It just didn't pay off in the way the doves thought it would --so of course we're going to be involved. I like how France dropped the first bombs so it could like they were leading the charge....and then we fired 122 tomahawk missiles right afterwards.

However, I know why the UN is acting. And I respect that reasoning. I hear pro-Gadhafi forces were shooting up a hospital this afternoon. They wanted to do that building by building. However, if this drags on for more than three months....probably six at the longest....we're all going to be scartching our heads as to why we're indefinitely embroiled in a third MidEast War (even if it is only a war for the Libyans). If any sort of American military presence is on the ground, be it a full-scale Bush-styled invasion or the insidious Vietnam-esque "They're just advisors....for now," then Obama loses all credibility as he dragged us into a third war in the Middle East after getting the nomination over Clinton because he opposed Iraq.

Libya is a needle that the allies have to thread perfectly. If they succeed, in some ways it could guarantee Obama's victory (they're going to run on he's a weak-kneed closet Muslim, now?). If it falls apart, I don't see a reelection as feasible because all sides will hate him.

Time will tell. In any case, I'm at least glad for the time being we stopped a genocide. I find it intriguing that those who always say we needed to do something about Rwanda or Darfur were the first to call this imperialism and wrong. I don't think the US can afford a third war where we waste precious lives and billions of dollars on nothing in return (i.e. Iraq), but if we can avoid that then saving (at least) tens of thousands of lives, it was worth a crap load of missiles, in my opinion.

Time will tell.

 

[samsnee]

Kerry had no charisma or salesmanship. The guy was a decorated Vietnam vet and he stood by and let them turn that into a negative.

I don't think Obama will get the turnout from four years ago, but I also don't think the Republicans have anyone serious enough right now to make him worry too much. It's his election to lose.

 

[Paradoxium]

I don't think Obama will get the turnout from four years ago, but I also don't think the Republicans won't have anyone serious enough right now to make him worry too much. It's his election to lose.

I haz made corrections.

Think? Right now? Oh nonono when it comes to disappointment, the Republicans have that in Spades

 

[hippie_hunter]

Obama wll win or lose based on the political climate at the time.

I remember when people thought McCain had a good chance of winning and then Obama did better in the debates and eventually won by a healthy margin. So you never know.

It might be like the Bush 2004 election where people didn't like Bush but they hated Kerry even worse.

It's not that Obama did better than McCain in the debates, he was pretty crappy at debates, especially during the primaries, it's just that McCain wasn't good enough. And when 2008 was a horrible year for Republicans, not being good enough, or being a mediocre candidate like McCain, is suicide.

 

[Paradoxium]

We weren't obligated, per se. But we voted for it and were the ones who pressured Russia and China to abstain--and people said Obama getting buddy, buddy with Medvedev wouldn't pay off. Ha! It just didn't pay off in the way the doves thought it would --so of course we're going to be involved. I like how France dropped the first bombs so it could like they were leading the charge....and then we fired 122 tomahawk missiles right afterwards.

However, I know why the UN is acting. And I respect that reasoning. I hear pro-Gadhafi forces were shooting up a hospital this afternoon. They wanted to do that building by building. However, if this drags on for more than three months....probably six at the longest....we're all going to be scartching our heads as to why we're indefinitely embroiled in a third MidEast War (even if it is only a war for the Libyans). If any sort of American military presence is on the ground, be it a full-scale Bush-styled invasion or the insidious Vietnam-esque "They're just advisors....for now," then Obama loses all credibility as he dragged us into a third war in the Middle East after getting the nomination over Clinton because he opposed Iraq.

Libya is a needle that the allies have to thread perfectly. If they succeed, in some ways it could guarantee Obama's victory (they're going to run on he's a weak-kneed closet Muslim, now?). If it falls apart, I don't see a reelection as feasible because all sides will hate him.

Time will tell. In any case, I'm at least glad for the time being we stopped a genocide. I find it intriguing that those who always say we needed to do something about Rwanda or Darfur were the first to call this imperialism and wrong. I don't think the US can afford a third war where we waste precious lives and billions of dollars on nothing in return (i.e. Iraq), but if we can avoid that then saving (at least) tens of thousands of lives, it was worth a crap load of missiles, in my opinion.

Time will tell.

Bombing can only go so far. What are you going to do if they split up into small squads and start going on a murderous spree in the cities? Can't exactly bomb civies. The Achilles heel of relying on the airforce.

 

[enterthemadness]

Kerry had no charisma or salesmanship. The guy was a decorated Vietnam vet and he stood by and let them turn that into a negative.

I don't think Obama will get the turnout from four years ago, but I also don't think the Republicans have anyone serious enough right now to make him worry too much. It's his election to lose.

Ron Paul. I will say it again, Ron Paul.

And I will keep saying it until Marx or Kel post the silly icon like this or even this one

Spoiler

I'm kidding, I love Mr. Lizard.

 

[samsnee]

Ron Paul won't appeal to the independents. I like some of his ideas, but then he takes it a step too far and loses me.