The President Obama Thread: "Screw You Thread Manager" Edition

[Kahran Ramsus]

If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I just don't see Obama winning. Obama's hurdle with working class whites is just too big for him to overcome in states like Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina.

I agree, but Romney winning the nomination is very much in question at this point. I'm troubled by Romney's inability to rise above about 25% in the polls no matter how stupid his opponents are. I think Obama could beat any of the others save Huntsman. Gingrich might give him some problems, but Obama would wipe the floor with Paul, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum.

 

[Quetzal]

I agree, but Romney winning the nomination is very much in question at this point. I think Obama could beat any of the others save Huntsman. Gingrich might give him some problems, but Obama would wipe the floor with Paul, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum.

I still have faith though that Romney will be able to right the ship though and take control of his party somewhere near New Hampshire. Iowa is going to be tough on Romney, whoever comes on top in Iowa can possibly sink Romney this year depending on how they handle their campaign.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Iowa is not the problem. It doesn't mean enough in the long run. All Romney has to do is win New Hampshire and nobody will remember Iowa. Florida is what I'm worried about.

 

[hippie_hunter]

A pretty good article by Democratic Congressman Dennis Cardoza

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/cardozas-corner/198861-the-professorial-president

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I just don't see Obama winning. Obama's hurdle with working class whites is just too big for him to overcome in states like Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina.

Pennsylvania won't go for a Republican, at least not one as milquetoast and cold as Romney. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh alone will almost ensure that.

 

[Matt]

Pennsylvania won't go for a Republican, at least not one as milquetoast and cold as Romney. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh alone will almost ensure that.

I'm not sure about that. Pennsylvania is always Philly and Pittsburgh (and surrounding areas) voting Democrat and everyone else voting Republican. It all depends on who gets the vote out. I think a lot of Democrats (especially blue collar, union Democrats, of which PA has tons) were left jaded by Obama. They may not vote Romney, but they may not vote at all either. Meanwhile, Republicans will be out in full force to overthrow Obama.

 

[chaseter]

Obama only beat McCain by 4 or 5%. I think independents are done with Obama and will go to Romney. Republicans will vote Romney to beat Obama. If Romney is the nom then it's over for Obama. If it's Gingrich, it will be suuuuuuper close...to close to call.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Romney won't even win his home state much less a general election. He has zero appeal to anyone who's not simply just voting the party line. He's a worse Republican candidate than John Kerry was a Democratic candidate.

 

[chaseter]

No he's not wtf? John Kerry? Romney is and has remained around 25% while all the hardcore Republicans are boosting Gingrich right now. All of that goes to Romney if he wins. Independents helped Obama win and take a guess at what they think of him now. Even if no independents vote Romney will win as more people see themselves as conservative than liberal.

 

[Matt]

Romney won't even win his home state much less a general election. He has zero appeal to anyone who's not simply just voting the party line. He's a worse Republican candidate than John Kerry was a Democratic candidate.

It's not about who Republican candidate is. It is about who the Democratic president is and what the economy is like.

 

[Marx]

The fact that Romney cannot rise above 25 percent and there's a new "frontrunner" every other week tells me that the GOP is wanting anyone BUT Romney as the nominee.

 

[Matt]

Yes, but once Romney is the nominee, their desire to have anyone BUT Obama will trump all else and turn into support for Romney. Remember the whole Hillary/Obama thing that went until June with every expert analyst saying how it will split the party and lead to a McCain victory? How did that work out? Hillary supporters fell right in line behind Obama, just like the Gingrich, Bachmann, Huntsman, Perry and more sane Paul supporters will fall in behind Romney.

Meanwhile, independents feel like they have been duped by Obama. They will vote Romney and hope that he does better.

 

[Arc-Light]

I will have to disagree about the Independents and Rommy, all the Independents that i have talked with would rather vote for Ron Paul....

 

[LOBO3315a]

Paul is a victim of our soundbite society. He's a smart guy, with great ideas, but because you can take just about everything he says out of context and make him seem like a lunatic, he won't get the nod.

 

[Schlosser85]

A lot of independents lean Libertarian, and such people would not vote for Romney. They'd go for Paul.

I do agree with Matt however that Romney's Mormonism will hurt him among the conservative Christian base until if/when he becomes the official GOP nominee, and then they'll vote for him to be voting against Obama. Half of them think Obama is a Muslim anyway, a Mormon would be deemed the lesser of two evils.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

No he's not wtf? John Kerry? Romney is and has remained around 25% while all the hardcore Republicans are boosting Gingrich right now. All of that goes to Romney if he wins. Independents helped Obama win and take a guess at what they think of him now. .

I remember hearing virtually the same argument in 2004 about why Bush would lose to John Kerry.....

Marx basically laid it out for you, there's a reason Mitt hasnt ever gone above that 25% mark, because he's severely disliked within his own party. Their not stupid they know a Massachusetts Republican doesnt stand a chance in a general election.

Also this talk about independents feeling duped by Obama is most baseless talk. I'm an independent, why would I feel duped? Unless of course I had some whacked out expectation that Obama was going to be able to fix a completely ****ed world economic system in 4 years. Every election the independents are deemed to be against the incumbent party, and very rarely does it shake out that way.

 

[Schlosser85]

Some independents were turned off by Obamacare forcing people to buy health insurance and the Wall Street bailouts.

The first for being too much government, the second by favoring corporations.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The bailout happened before Obama took office.

Republicans used to like Indivual mandates.That Is more conservative health care reform than people wanted.They wanted a public opotion.

Ron Paul believes SOcial Security and Medicare should never had been put In place.That would go over real well with public.Just Like Romney has now totally embraced the killing Medicare plan.

Republicans would rather cut Unemployment and food stamps among other things rather than make the one percent have to pay more for taxes.

 

[LOBO3315a]

I think most Conservatives want the States to have more control over unemployment compensation and food stamps rather than the Federal government.

His stance on Social Security is that it is broken, because the Federal Government keeps using money out of it to do things other than what it is intended for, as well as being unable to keep up with inflation for the people on it.

http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Social_Security.htm

 

[Destructus86]

So, is Obama going to drop his "Change" method for his new run you think? I think it'd be a bad move to try using it again.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Paul was never for SS.How can States give out money for Food stamps and Unemployment when all these governors keep wanting to cut programs while giving out more tax cuts for the 1 percent.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

So, is Obama going to drop his "Change" method for his new run you think? I think it'd be a bad move to try using it again.

He's going to do his faux-populist shtick again and wager that the American people are stupid enough to fall for it a second time.

If he gets re-elected, he can then safely resume pleasing corporate donors, bailing out banks, ignoring climate change, starting wars, shredding civil liberties, embracing police state repression of dissent, and stabbing workers in the back.

So re-elect President Obama! And always remember the unspeakable alternative: a Republican president doing those exact same things.

 

[chaseter]

I remember hearing virtually the same argument in 2004 about why Bush would lose to John Kerry.....

Marx basically laid it out for you, there's a reason Mitt hasnt ever gone above that 25% mark, because he's severely disliked within his own party. Their not stupid they know a Massachusetts Republican doesnt stand a chance in a general election.

Also this talk about independents feeling duped by Obama is most baseless talk. I'm an independent, why would I feel duped? Unless of course I had some whacked out expectation that Obama was going to be able to fix a completely ****ed world economic system in 4 years. Every election the independents are deemed to be against the incumbent party, and very rarely does it shake out that way.

And hardcore Dems are angry at Obama for flailing in the wind. Guess who they are going to vote for...Obama. Republicans will support Mitt if he gets the nom because it's either Mitt or Obama. Guess which they will choose. The reason why it had been Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, and now Newt is because those 4 were the ones up there feeding the hardlined base that vote passionately. Michelle Bachmann was leading in the polls for GOP voters yet she would have been destroyed in 2012. The fact that Romney has remained in the mid to high 20s shows he has good support and isn't one of these GOP flavor of the month candidates. Once Newt's support thins...who is left? Ron Paul? He scares the **** out of GOP leaders.

I don't remember anybody actually thinking that Kerry would defeat Bush. Bush had high approval ratings in 2003 and 2004. I don't know where you got that from.

I am an independent too...so what does that matter? Look at Obama's numbers with independents. Gallup in Nov said that Obama's approval ratings from independents has fallen to 30%. Anybody who believied his hope and change rhetoric should either feel duped or ashamed for falling for it. In 3 years he has nothing to run for re-election on and so his 2012 platform is tax the rich...a sad attempt to pander to the uneducated, entitlement, and/or lower class voters.

Unless the economy recovers in 10 months and the GOP don't throw out a psycho candidate then Obama is toast and rightfully so.

 

[redhawk23]

He's going to do his faux-populist shtick again and wager that the American people are stupid enough to fall for it a second time.

If he gets re-elected, he can then safely resume pleasing corporate donors, bailing out banks, ignoring climate change, starting wars, shredding civil liberties, embracing police state repression of dissent, and stabbing workers in the back.

So re-elect President Obama! And always remember the unspeakable alternative: a Republican president doing those exact same things.

At least he does us the service of pretending like he won't do those things.

Lets see pleasing corporate donors. Check. Ignoring Climate Change. Check. Shredding Civil Liberties. Check. Stabbing Workers in the back. Check.

Yep what we have here is the PLATFORM of the republican party.

 

[chaseter]

All politicians are the same.