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Lighthouse said:
I was also jumbled between deciding who to root for. I was rooting for Jackman at the beginning, but towards the end where...
when both twins are trying to figure out how Jackman does his transporter trick over 50 feet away, and Borden, or one of them, says "Thats it" and decides he doesn't need to know, thats when I knew Bale was the good guy because he had given up on his obsession.

But so did Jackman. Bale offered the trick for him not to take his daughter and Jackan refused. They both had given up their obsession to know but it had been too far gone to go back.
 
Morgoth said:
Bale was a piece of crap 'cause he killed Jackman's wife, so I hated his character.

The movie was dumb and predictable, I thought it was suppose to have a surprise ending, but the whole time you saw Bale's partner or whoever it was you knew it was Bale in make-up, duh!

I'm not an idiot, and Nolan was just trying too hard for his trade mark surprise ending, I think he trying to be like M. night Shyamalan.

All I know is he better not screw up the Batman sequels by trying to put in one kitch surprise ending after the other. This is Batman not his creation.

The Prestige was a big let down.:cmad:
I already read the script for "The Dark Knight". In the end it's clear that the Joker is Wayne's long lost brother. And Harvey Dent is their sister.
 
Morgoth said:
Bale was a piece of crap 'cause he killed Jackman's wife, so I hated his character.

The movie was dumb and predictable, I thought it was suppose to have a surprise ending, but the whole time you saw Bale's partner or whoever it was you knew it was Bale in make-up, duh!

I'm not an idiot, and Nolan was just trying too hard for his trade mark surprise ending, I think he trying to be like M. night Shyamalan.

All I know is he better not screw up the Batman sequels by trying to put in one kitch surprise ending after the other. This is Batman not his creation.

The Prestige was a big let down.:cmad:

A sworn-till-death Burtonite hating anything done by Chris Nolan and Christian Bale? Say it ain't so. :whatever:
 
Boom said:
When Jackman told Serkis to make him a machine, Serkis replies with, "Why build the same machine already built for another magician? Or something along those lines.

Does that mean Bale had a machine too? If that's the case, is Bale's twin just a clone?


That is my theory too.
 
Boom said:
When Jackman told Serkis to make him a machine, Serkis replies with, "Why build the same machine already built for another magician? Or something along those lines.

Does that mean Bale had a machine too? If that's the case, is Bale's twin just a clone?


That is my theory too.
 
Saw it last night. Up until that twist, I thought the movie was pretty meh. I knew something was coming, but I didnt predict that. Pretty good overall.
 
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Cool poster I found. Oops, didn't work. Heres the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prestigeposter2.jpg
 
It is damn sad that reviews and comments show widespread ignorance in that so many people don't know who Tesla is, or more importantly, what he had done. I was fascinated by the guy when I was in High School and first heard of his inventions and his "Mad Scientist" inventions like the Earthquake machine, the death ray, and the force field. One of the main things that interested me in The Prestige was that they used him as a character.
 
raybia said:
That is my theory too.

Serkis wanted to know why Angier wanted to do the same exact trick as another magician.
 
Here's a small review I made for my blog.

Rating ~ 8 / 10

Synopsis: From the time they first met as young magicians on the rise, Robert Angier (Hugh Jackman) and Alfred Borden (Christian Bale) were competitors. However, their friendly competition evolves into a bitter rivalry making them fierce enemies-for-life and consequently jeopardizing the lives of everyone around them. (From Moviefone.com)

Let me start at the movie's greatest strengh; its acting. Bale, as usual, gives a magnificent performance and Jackman does equally well. Caine hands in a respectable effort, and the same goes for Andy Serkis (Better known for his work as Gollum and King Kong). David Bowie even makes a few appearences. (Although his screen time was brief, he did an excellent job with the material.)

The costumes, sets, and general production were also top-knotch. Most of the cinematography is beautiful, some of it is even stunning. However, the editing and score could have been improved. The score isn't memorable and slightly reminiscent of the music from Batman Begins (But much less prevalent.)

The editing, truth be told, is fine. I just had to mention it because of the screw ups at the very end of the film. There's a slow reveal, and just as the camera reaches its mark, the credits roll. The snap ending just doesn't flow with the slow moving camera, and since it's the last bit of footage it leaves a bad taste. To top that off, a Thom Yorke song starts as soon as the credits begin to roll. Now, I love Radiohead, but they don't quite fit in with the type of movie. Think of it this way, if you just finished watching a horror movie, would you want a country song to start playing?

The movie feels long. Its running time is just over two hours, but it feels longer than that due to the slow beginning. The film does pick up speed during the second and third acts, though. Besides the running time, some people may be discouraged from seeing it because of the dark mood. This is a drama. Very rarely is it lighthearted, and the characters have unlikable attributes. The film plays heavily on the theme of obsession.

I know this review has taken a negative tune, but I actually enjoyed the movie. Will I buy it on DVD? Maybe. Would I object to seeing it again? Not at all. In fact, I object to the biggest complaint levelled against the movie.

Plenty of people claimed the twists (And there are several) were too obvious and the rest of the duration is pointless, since everyone can figure out the surprises. My opinion; so what? The twists aren't slapped on during the last five minutes so that they can be fully developed. They don't seem half-baked or included just to shock the viewer. They are fully fledged parts of the story. Besides that, it doesn't matter if the viewer sees the twists before the characters. The audience is there to see how the actors react to the changes. Had this been a straight-up mystery, the twists would be more important.

Overall, I feel this is a very interesting film. It's not for everyone (Such as those that enjoy short, less serious, straightforward entertainment) but I'd recommend checking it out while it's still in theaters.
 
Good news is The Prestige dropped only 35% in its second weekend and reached 28,8m (www.boxofficemojo.com) Till next week it should pretty much bring its production budget back. What did I tell you guys, Nolan is a marathonist, not a sprinter. His movies don´t succeed over marketing and hype, but over strong word of mouth and repeat viewing.
 
raybia said:
That is my theory too.

Yeah, I think that for sure it was a clone, not a twin. Think of it this way, Bale had a heart, more than Jackman did after his wife died. When Bale made the clone, he probably told the clone that they were twins, and treated it like an equal, therefore no questions were asked. Jackman however, killed clones every night, unlike Bale who made one clone and treated him like a brother. That is why they were so emotionally intouch; when Fallon was burried, Bale rushed to dig him up and when Bale was about to get hanged he pleaded with Fallon to live his life, adn he apologized as if they were brothers. And when Bale and Fallon were trying to figure out how Jackman did his trick, I believe that Bale knew all along, but did not want to say as it would cause his clone to realize that they weren't brothers. I do have one question though, who died at the end, Jackman or a clone of Jackman, if it was a clone of Jackman, how did it work, did he have the clones doing the show the whole time, or did he kill himself leaving his memory on with a clone? Any opinions would be appreciated!
 
batman11 said:
Yeah, I think that for sure it was a clone, not a twin. Think of it this way, Bale had a heart, more than Jackman did after his wife died. When Bale made the clone, he probably told the clone that they were twins, and treated it like an equal, therefore no questions were asked. Jackman however, killed clones every night, unlike Bale who made one clone and treated him like a brother. That is why they were so emotionally intouch; when Fallon was burried, Bale rushed to dig him up and when Bale was about to get hanged he pleaded with Fallon to live his life, adn he apologized as if they were brothers. And when Bale and Fallon were trying to figure out how Jackman did his trick, I believe that Bale knew all along, but did not want to say as it would cause his clone to realize that they weren't brothers. I do have one question though, who died at the end, Jackman or a clone of Jackman, if it was a clone of Jackman, how did it work, did he have the clones doing the show the whole time, or did he kill himself leaving his memory on with a clone? Any opinions would be appreciated!

As far as the way Angier did it, he didn't kill the clones. He killed himself to leave the clone behind. Remember when he said "Imagine how scary it was knowing I was the one to fall into the water, leaving the copy behind"? He had the trap door going into the tank at every show, with the copy actually being made by the machine at the balcony. That's why there were all those tanks in the last shot. I really need to see it again before I decided whether or not Borden was a man and a clone or twins living one life. Mostly the scenes with Tesla.

And as far as who was good and wasn't, Borden was no better than Angier. IMO, Borden was the worse one. He felt no remorse for having killed Angier's wife. When Angier shoots him, he acts like it was completely unwarranted. Also, his work was completely his life. Everything he did was an illusion. Even to women that loved him he was a comeplete bastard, lying to them just so he could keep up his act. Loving his daughter was the only human act he ever really showed in the whole film. Whereas Angier really did care about people, and was taken over by obsession. The way I see it, Angier was a sympathetic and tragic character who was a good man who was driven to obsession, whereas Borden was always about himself and the illusion.

So yeah, I liked Angier, thought Borden was a bastard.
 
kytrigger said:
You're right, he was a genius, I just said that wrong. He was great, but it is still suspension of disbelief with the machine he created. He was a great scientist, but even he couldn't do what was done.

A lot of the film has subtle science-fiction/steampunk elements in it, especially Michael Caine's characters machines. There were many clever magicians in those times, but many of them go beyond what was possible then (in a good way).
 
Leto Atrides said:
As far as the way Angier did it, he didn't kill the clones. He killed himself to leave the clone behind. Remember when he said "Imagine how scary it was knowing I was the one to fall into the water, leaving the copy behind"? He had the trap door going into the tank at every show, with the copy actually being made by the machine at the balcony. That's why there were all those tanks in the last shot. I really need to see it again before I decided whether or not Borden was a man and a clone or twins living one life. Mostly the scenes with Tesla.

And as far as who was good and wasn't, Borden was no better than Angier. IMO, Borden was the worse one. He felt no remorse for having killed Angier's wife. When Angier shoots him, he acts like it was completely unwarranted. Also, his work was completely his life. Everything he did was an illusion. Even to women that loved him he was a comeplete bastard, lying to them just so he could keep up his act. Loving his daughter was the only human act he ever really showed in the whole film. Whereas Angier really did care about people, and was taken over by obsession. The way I see it, Angier was a sympathetic and tragic character who was a good man who was driven to obsession, whereas Borden was always about himself and the illusion.

So yeah, I liked Angier, thought Borden was a bastard.

Oh for sure, I agree Borden was a bastard, but I think that even though
Angier was dead there were still a hundred versions of dying, therefore he murdered himself multiple times to gain fame and fortune. With regards to the end and all the tanks, I thought that there was only one tank, how could he make 100 tanks and store them somewhere. I thought that he disposed of the body every night and then used the same tank the next night, but I can see what yor are saying about the multiple tanks. I think that that final version of Angier shown in the final shot was the real Angier, the one that died to let his show live on. So yeah they were both bastards if you think about it, but like you said, I really need to see it again.
But regardless, it was phenomenal!
 
Leto Atrides said:
As far as the way Angier did it, he didn't kill the clones. He killed himself to leave the clone behind. Remember when he said "Imagine how scary it was knowing I was the one to fall into the water, leaving the copy behind"? He had the trap door going into the tank at every show, with the copy actually being made by the machine at the balcony. That's why there were all those tanks in the last shot. I really need to see it again before I decided whether or not Borden was a man and a clone or twins living one life. Mostly the scenes with Tesla.

And as far as who was good and wasn't, Borden was no better than Angier. IMO, Borden was the worse one. He felt no remorse for having killed Angier's wife. When Angier shoots him, he acts like it was completely unwarranted. Also, his work was completely his life. Everything he did was an illusion. Even to women that loved him he was a comeplete bastard, lying to them just so he could keep up his act. Loving his daughter was the only human act he ever really showed in the whole film. Whereas Angier really did care about people, and was taken over by obsession. The way I see it, Angier was a sympathetic and tragic character who was a good man who was driven to obsession, whereas Borden was always about himself and the illusion.

So yeah, I liked Angier, thought Borden was a bastard.

angier was just as much a prick.
borden did feel bad about being partially responsible for the death of angier's wife. that's why he wrote about it in his journal. and he was never a bastard to the woman who loved "him" you have to remember that he was two people. one borden may have been a schmuck to one of the women, but she wasn't the one he loved. angier simply let revenge be his sole purpose, he was a weak man who deserved what was coming to him in the end.
 
cryptic name said:
angier was just as much a prick.
borden did feel bad about being partially responsible for the death of angier's wife. that's why he wrote about it in his journal. and he was never a bastard to the woman who loved "him" you have to remember that he was two people. one borden may have been a schmuck to one of the women, but she wasn't the one he loved. angier simply let revenge be his sole purpose, he was a weak man who deserved what was coming to him in the end.

Exactly my feelings. By the way for those of you who were a little confused, go to this link and it pretty much explains the end except for the
Borden twin thing. I still believe that it was a clone that Borden led to believe was his brother, the real Borden was truthfully a good guy to begin with and he wouldn't have wanted the clone to live its life thinkng that it was a clone, but rather let it think that it was his brother. Plus, i dont think Borden would let his twin brother get hanged, that is why I truly think it was a clone. You cant have two Bordens, two clones, the clone would have to die sooner or later.
Anyways, heres the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prestige_(film)
 
batman11 said:
Exactly my feelings. By the way for those of you who were a little confused, go to this link and it pretty much explains the end except for the
Borden twin thing. I still believe that it was a clone that Borden led to believe was his brother, the real Borden was truthfully a good guy to begin with and he wouldn't have wanted the clone to live its life thinkng that it was a clone, but rather let it think that it was his brother. Plus, i dont think Borden would let his twin brother get hanged, that is why I truly think it was a clone. You cant have two Bordens, two clones, the clone would have to die sooner or later.
Anyways, heres the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prestige_(film)

As I said before, I need to see it again, but I'm not sure about
the Borden clone thing only because how would he have been able to, while he was still only an up-and-coming magician working for someone else, have the machine built for him? Money, means, clout, etc. He seems to have been two people from the beginning of the story (chronology-wise, not the way it is shown in the movie). That's the only thing that bothers me.
 
cryptic name said:
angier was just as much a prick.
borden did feel bad about being partially responsible for the death of angier's wife. that's why he wrote about it in his journal. and he was never a bastard to the woman who loved "him" you have to remember that he was two people. one borden may have been a schmuck to one of the women, but she wasn't the one he loved. angier simply let revenge be his sole purpose, he was a weak man who deserved what was coming to him in the end.

I'm saying he was a bastard for letting the woman he loved get treated like **** by the other one to keep up the illusion. The Borden that loved his wife could have always been the one that was with her, and vice versa. But he/they didn't, his trick was ultimately more important than the women.

Also, I'm not saying Angier didn't do anything bad, in fact, some of the things he did were worse. However, he was driven to it. The way I see it, Angier went from a good man to a completely obsessive psychopath, killing himself over and over just to get revenge, because of a tragedy. Borden was a pretty bad guy the whole way through. In that way, I see Angier as more sympathetic.

And I wouldn't say he was a weak man. If your wife was killed and the only thing the man who killed her said to you was "I don't remember", you'd be pretty angry and crazy. If he then got a wife and kids and moved on as if he hadn't killed someone and ruined your life, you'd lose it too.
 
I just saw it, and I came out of the theater literally reeling. The characterizations seem simple, but it was almost agony seeing how Borden and Angier's choices affected their lives and the lives of the people around them.

That's an interesting idea,
that Borden's double was a clone. I actually believe that they're identical twins who, upon discovering that they both had a penchant for magic, decided to live as one person. Tesla hadn't yet perfected his invention when Angier came calling, and I don't think Tesla would have any reason for misleading Angier for that long. Borden certainly didn't have as much money to offer Tesla as Angier. Besides, it's obvious that Borden had planned on having the Transported Man trick very, very early in his career. ("Nobody else can do my trick," he says to Cutter while he and Angier are still apprentices.) It seems that he's already got the double when he's wooing Sarah, which is even before he's doing his show in the equivalent of a seedy bar.

I actually feel more pity for Borden.
Or, at least the one who gave up the obsession. I believe it's the one who lived, since it's probably the still-obsessive one who went under the stage and found Angier drowning, and is presumably the one who gets caught and hanged. Both twins made the ultimate sacrifice of giving up an individual life, and I'm still trying to decide if Angier actually does the living Borden a favor by (accidentally?) framing the other. The Borden who's alive can now live as his own person, and he's free to raise his daughter. (I guess it could have been his double's daughter, but there's probably no way of finding out.)

I guess that Angier was as deserving of pity (since he did literally kill himself every night of his transporting man trick), but he was too obsessed to stop himself from doing it.

I'm still also trying to figure which of the characters in the movie knew what was going on.
It's unclear whether Sarah knows about the Borden double, but the way she keeps asking if he loves her implies that she does know something. Olivia is obviously clueless :oldrazz: I think it's clear that Cutter knows at the end, since he walks right past an undisguised Borden (on his way to shoot Angier) and returns Borden's daughter at the end as well. I'm wondering when he made the connection, since it obviously wasn't when he was working with both Borden and Angier.

I might have to see it again. :oldrazz: But it's quite a mental trip, I think.

..I was just about to post this, and another facet of the movie just clicked for me.
When Cutter tells the Angier clone the truth about drowning, the Angier clone looks like he'd been hit by a truck. It's because HE just realized what his predecessor must have experieced as he died.

Great. Now I'm also wondering if
the drowning Angier was yelling at Borden to stop trying to save him (since the murder is planned every night), or if the Angier template suddenly realized what a horrible death drowning is..

Yeah ummm...it's impossible to talk about this movie without spoiling it, can you tell? :)

ETA: I went to the earliest showing today (weekend showings before noon at AMC are $5 :) ) and the theater was about half-full, which I think is pretty respectable, considering.
 
I have just returned from viewing this ungodly great film. I mean, **** was it's just good.
 
Oh, someone raised a question earlier about Angier...

..and why would Angier shoot his own clone? I think he had the gun nearby in case the experiment turned out horribly wrong and he was made disfigured (anyone see The Fly? :oldrazz: ). When he was all right and found another friggin' version of him standing 10 feet away, I guess it was his first reaction. He then chooses to sacrifice himself every night for the trick, but I think that's still heartless, letting yourself (or at least some version of you) drown every night.
 
Great ideas everyone! Its not everyday that you get a movie where there are so many different perspectives. Now, mostly, that would be bad because the movie was supposed to have one definitive meaning, however, this movie is the exception. I think that its great that everyone has their own idea of what happened as it shows what the movie means to us. Our idea of how the movie played out represents who we are and how we think (sounds kinda corny lol). Anyways lets keep the opiniions coming, I LOVE THIS FILM!
 
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