The Punisher The Punisher - General Discussion Thread

[donuts]

This is why Marvel Studios needs a theatrical Marvel Knights imprint to serve this kind of purpose. Films made at under $100 million that are still Marvel Studios features but they aren't forced to adhere to the typical MCU format.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I made a whole thread on Marvel Knights as an imprint and the heroes we could see on there.

You could absolutely make a killer action flick like Extraction and John Wick under 100m.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dont think anyone is arguing Marvel Studios shouldn't be making cheaper movies for theaters. What we are saying is they just have no interest in it clearly

 

[DarkKnight88]

Hope the special is closer to 90 mins

Well, then it’s not a special anymore. It’s an actual movie lol

 

[SirStrangefolk]

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Jon Bernthal's Punisher will headline Marvel special: 'Like a shotgun blast of a story' (exclusive)

Jon Bernthal's Punisher will return after 'Daredevil: Born Again' for his own 'Werewolf by Night'-style Marvel special, described as 'a shotgun blast of a story.'

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Reinaldo Marcus Green also directed We Own This City, a miniseries about police corruption starring Jon Bernthal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, then it’s not a special anymore. It’s an actual movie lol

I dont think a special really had to have a hardcore runtime range. Yeah, probably isn't gonna be 3hrs long cause then it's a show, but 90 mins essentially makes it like a 2 part episode of a 45 min show. That qualifies to me as a special

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Reinaldo Marcus Green also directed We Own This City, a miniseries about police corruption starring Jon Bernthal.

Which was quite good and the closest that we would ever get to a sixth season of The Wire.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, then it’s not a special anymore. It’s an actual movie lol

Disney had movies that were like 60 minutes short and those are still counted as a film. Saludos Amigos is 42 minutes long. Toy Story is 76 long. Rise of the Silver Surfer which is now under Disney, doesn't hit the 90 minute mark.

https://collider.com/disney-animated-movies-under-90-minutes/

The term "special" when it comes to streaming/Tv varies, it also includes awards shows/concerts/documentaries, those are over 90 minutes. They just don't want to call these "Special Presentations" as movies, probably to separate them from their movies that came/come out in the cinemas.

 

[donuts]

Well, then it’s not a special anymore. It’s an actual movie lol

Yup. And movies belong in theaters.

 

[DarkKnight88]

The term "special" when it comes to streaming/Tv varies, it also includes awards shows/concerts/documentaries, those are over 90 minutes. They just don't want to call these "Special Presentations" as movies, probably to separate them from their movies that came/come out in the cinemas.

But we’re counting what Disney+ has coined for their Marvel Specials. Like Guardians Holiday (40 mins) or Werewolf by Night (50 mins). The precedent is in those two previous specials. Look for something in that range.

 

[chamber-music]

It will probably be a Lee Child's Jack Reacher style Punisher story. Frank showing up somewhere and getting pulled into trouble. A shorter running time doesn't lend itself to an over elaborate plot.

 

[TheVileOne]

What's ironic is in many ways the Reacher series is a lot like Punisher in many ways, considering he's an unrepentant vigilante who operates outside the law and has no qualms about killing bad guys who deserve it. Along with torturing them if he deems it necessary.

He gets away with it because he's not a government agent and he's not a gun-toting comic book vigilante who wears a skull. His character is based on books and not comics.

 

[Drizzle]

John Wick has Keanu Reeves as its leading man. I love Jon Bernthal, but honestly, is he a big enough of a leading man to put butts in seats? Plus, I feel the episodic format suits Punisher and the rest of those street-level characters well.

Or if it was a short film in the vein of Punisher: Dirty Laundry.

Not that they'd make a Punisher movie now but hypothetically speaking, Bernthal is arguably more famous now than Thomas Jane or Ray Stevenson were when their Punisher movies came out. Bernthal hasn't had much leading man experience in Hollywood but even so, it was always the character of The Punisher that was the main selling point over who was playing him.

 

[TheVileOne]

FYI the first John Wick movie had about a $20-$30 million budget. It only made $43 million domestically, and now it's making $187 million in its latest entry. Keanu Reeves was in a big slump at the time and hadn't really gone through the Keanu-ssance yet. Just saying the John Wick franchise had to build itself up to that point. Keanu Reeves wasn't banging out $100 million blockbusters at the time of its release.

Point being, a prospective Punisher movie, START SMALL. Also, you shouldn't even make $150 million Punisher movie. Do a smaller, localized urban drama with Punisher and do it for no more than $50-$60 million. Do it hard R-rated. I think audiences, even comic book audiences, want something different.

Deadpool worked so well in 2016 because it gave fans something different. It was different than the MCU and it even different than the DCEU. Daredevil Netflix was a breakout hit because it also gave us something different at the time. Variety is the spice of life.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

FYI the first John Wick movie had about a $20-$30 million budget. It only made $43 million domestically, and now it's making $187 million in its latest entry. Keanu Reeves was in a big slump at the time and hadn't really gone through the Keanu-ssance at the time. Just saying the John Wick franchise had to build itself up to that point. Keanu Reeves wasn't banging out $100 million blockbusters at the time of its release.

Point being, a prospective Punisher movie, START SMALL. Also, you shouldn't even make $150 million Punisher movie. Do a smaller, localized urban drama with Punisher and do it for no more than $50-$60 million. Do it hard R-rated. I think audiences, even comic book audiences, want something different.

Deadpool worked so well in 2016 because it gave fans something different. It was different than the MCU and it even different than the MCU. Daredevil Netflix was a breakout hit because it also gave us something different at the time. Variety is the spice of life.

I honestly think The Slavers from the MAX run would be a great intro movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

There'd be no shades of grey when it comes to human enslavement/human trafficking.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

There'd be no shades of grey when it comes to human enslavement/human trafficking.

Agreed. Just like Wick's dog, where you knew everyone involved in killing the puppy deserved it and made it easy to root for what John did, the absolute awfulness of the slavers in that story makes it easy to want Frank to REALLY put them down hard.

 

[chamber-music]

It would be cool to see the Punisher face off against Bushwacker