The quintessential question (read post before voting)

Isildur´s Heir

Avenger
Joined
Dec 21, 2002
Messages
19,493
Reaction score
1
Points
31
Yes, there have been thousands of debates like this before and none has come to any conclusion, but, because i believe that, by the end of this generation, things will change, the question is relevant to be made once again.
When games like Bioshock and Uncharted, which were single player games, have jumped to the MP bandwagon in the sequel, people needs to ask themselfs, what will happen to the single player in the future.

So......single Player or multiplayer (co-op is part of multiplayer, so, don´t ask for it)?
And no, there is no place for multiple choise; there is no place for "i like both"; there is no place for "depends on the game".
The question is easy and direct, what is, in your opinion the essense of video games, what do you prefer?
If, in a not so distance future, one of the gaming modes have to die, which should be left alive and kicking?
 
Last edited:
Multiplayer. Games are more fun with people.
 
Multiplayer, I prefer playing with friends. Plus, it usually adds a whole ton of replayability.
 
I don't think games will become entirely be single player or multiplayer, some games just bang multiplayer in even it's mediocre to maximize sales. I think it's a problem most AAA games have, with the production cost, hype machines and what not, a game can't just be 100 thousand people, it must be designed for the largest audience possible.

With games like Call Of Duty 4 and Halo I think they would be better doing what ID done with Quake 3, drop the single player and completely build a game ground up specifically built for multiplayer, while the single player is decent, from what I am aware most people play these for the multiplayer.

When it comes to attempting to make an entirely co-op focused game I think Resident Evil 5 and Left4dead highlight the problems that arise with trying to make a multiplayer focused game with single player type of narrative and design. I think in order for co-op to work, certain elements need to be taken out of completely changed. Capcom didn't seem to make any concessions for single and cooperative multiplayer, because of this Resident Evil 5 suffers heavily.

Resident Evil 5 uses cut scenes as a primarily means of story telling, these cut scenes are not only for main plot points but also to alert the player of even minor things, such as enemy's entering the area. While the cut scenes are very polished, after the initial play through they become excruciatingly annoying. Further more both players must agree to skip them, otherwise it is forced. Valve attempted cut scenes in Left4dead but decided to take them out due to redundancy as well eating up actual game play time, this is good game design.

Poorly conceived game play decisions also hamper the game such as quick time events that rely on both players. In nearly all cases these happen sporadically and without warning, if the other player is having problems, this can become a frustrating experience. The on the rail gameplay segments also fall flat, while they are enjoyable on the first play-through the immediately become redundant on further play-through. Like many single player games the boss battles have a single and fairly simple method of over-coming the enemy, after figuring out or being told via mulitplayer, there is no challenge what so ever, this is best suited for single player gaming.

Resident Evil 5 can take around 7-8 hours to play through, Left4dead being around 4-5 on the first. Resident Evil 5 is one continuous game with chapters, there is no crescendo from playing through segments, instead, to reach a satisfying conclusion, the player must entirely finish the game, that means you are a human team mate will be sitting for 7-8 hours, which is far too much, even on a first play through for most people, especially with forced cut scenes. Valve chopped campaign up into different, smaller 1-2 hour segments, each with a beginning, middle and end allowing the player to have a satisfying conclusions to there playing time.

While it's possible for games entirely built on a co-op experience than being a separate component, I don't think you can't design it with a single player mentality, it's detrimental.

I think next generation consoles will become saturated MMO's, they are growing at the moment but they haven't had there World Of Warcraft or Halo type game that sets the boom, many people will complain.

:dry:
 
Single player for me personally.

For me video games are simply an evolution of our popular means of escape from the real, competitive world. It began with face-to-face tales, turned into books, continued with movies, and now takes on an additional form in that of video games.

As such, the aspect of video games I prize the most is immersing myself in another story and manipulating that sotry according to my rules. For example, I will never be a gentially modified soldier or treasure hunter in real life, yet while I play MGS4 and Uncharted I am able to create and live out that fantasy.

While the multiplayer aspects of these games are also good, I have less control over my experience despite the sense of competition being more realistic. The quality of the MP experience is due to many other factors than just the game (i.e. playing with respectful gamers, non-cheaters, etc.)

In short, for the casual gamer such as myself, I'd say single player would probably be the last one standing. I don't need to worry about who else is online or whether i am not "good enough" to compete. I just need myself and the game.

The industry truly began with single player (yeah I know Pong and Space invaders were MP, but I'm talking about the era beginning w/ Mario Bros.) and I doubt the industry will ever let go of single player.

Just my personal preferences and beliefs. Obviously those who value the MP component over the SP component would think otherwise, and that's cool. But I've yet to play through a COD4 or Halp 3 online match that has brought me to the same intense emotional level as the single player components of GTA IV, MGS4, and Uncharted this generation.
 
I really don't see why one has to "die" in favor of another. If anything I see the future of gaming becoming as such that all types of games will be able to flourish.

Having said that, I generally prefer single player games more. Unless I'm just in the mood for multiplayer, then I really don't like the idea of other players intruding into and dictating my experience.

[EDIT]

Also, I think something interesting for you to take a look at is the fact that studios who are working the next generation of MMOs are trying really hard to make their games emulate a single player experience. Even going so far as to make their games completely soloable if that's how the player wishes to play.

Just something for you to chew on.
 
Last edited:
Both. We can and will always have both. There is no one or the other.
 
I don't think either will stop being made. How would they make multiplayer games based off of movies or other licensed stuff?
 
At a minimum, it would have to be single player. Not everyone who plays video games has internet access or the friends to play with (sad, I know) For a publisher to limit himself to multi player only would be a financial disaster. There may be room for the occasional successful exclusively multi player game, but they would have to be really well-done in order to make money, and they couldn't sustain an entire industry on their own. Multi player is an extra meant to complement single player, not replace it.
 
Last edited:
I think all games need to have a single player component. MP is something thats extra
 
single player for me
I like the Multi-player experience
but most of the time
whoever I'm playing it with is either A) not playing to win/not taking it seriously
or B) not good enough
and that's just a recipe for punching your friends
and that's never a good thing
 
No mode has to die, and no mode will die, that was never the point of this thread.
The point is, what is, in your opinion, the essense of gaming, of the two, which do you prefer.

The debate of single player versus multiplayer is one that gets around from time to time, no one arrives to any conclusion, but the fun part is, it has a very simple answer....multiplayer is crap when compared to single player.
MP will never be has good as the SP, no matter how many people wants for it to be not true.
If, tomorrow, MP ends, it will be a blow for a lot of people; but, if SP dies...video games die.
And after saying all of this, let me say that, i like MP, i really do.

The word game means competition between two people or teams; one can even say that video games started like that, because the first commercial video game (Pong) was a two player game; but the thing is, without SP, video games would have died ages ago.
What people needs to realise is that Video Games are in the same category as movies, books.....they are about characters and story, not about who has the best kill rate or captures more flags.
The worst thing that ever happend to video games is the internet (yeah, i´m exaggerating, so, don´t ask), and MP still goes strong because it sells.
Ask yourself......do you know Mario? Luigi? Samus Aran? Link? Master Chief? Marcus Fenix? Kratos? Nathan Drake? Lara Croft? Gordon Freeman......Do you know their story and background? Do you care for them? Do you know the old question, can a video game make you cry? That can only be answered in single player

I rest my case.......MP can´t ever beat the single player experience.

PS - i´m not anti multiplayer, just to make things clear.
 
You're right Isildur... Call of Duty multiplayer will never take me to the emotional depths that I felt during Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3.
 
You're right Isildur... Call of Duty multiplayer will never take me to the emotional depths that I felt during Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3.
:D :up:

But, even so, you know who Sonic, Dr. Robotnick, Knuckles, Tails, and all the others are, you know their struggle and what not, so.....i rest my case :p

Even Call of Duty, which was never big on story is making it´s first sequel...
 
Isildur´s Heir;17588287 said:
No mode has to die, and no mode will die, that was never the point of this thread.The point is, what is, in your opinion, the essense of gaming, of the two, which do you prefer.

The debate of single player versus multiplayer is one that gets around from time to time, no one arrives to any conclusion, but the fun part is, it has a very simple answer....multiplayer is crap when compared to single player.
MP will never be has good as the SP, no matter how many people wants for it to be not true.
If, tomorrow, MP ends, it will be a blow for a lot of people; but, if SP dies...video games die.
And after saying all of this, let me say that, i like MP, i really do.

The word game means competition between two people or teams; one can even say that video games started like that, because the first commercial video game (Pong) was a two player game; but the thing is, without SP, video games would have died ages ago.
What people needs to realise is that Video Games are in the same category as movies, books.....they are about characters and story, not about who has the best kill rate or captures more flags.
The worst thing that ever happend to video games is the internet (yeah, i´m exaggerating, so, don´t ask), and MP still goes strong because it sells.
Ask yourself......do you know Mario? Luigi? Samus Aran? Link? Master Chief? Marcus Fenix? Kratos? Nathan Drake? Lara Croft? Gordon Freeman......Do you know their story and background? Do you care for them? Do you know the old question, can a video game make you cry? That can only be answered in single player

I rest my case.......MP can´t ever beat the single player experience.

PS - i´m not anti multiplayer, just to make things clear.

Well, then you should have worded the title of the poll differently, and not said "there can be only one" .
 
Actually, speaking of Sonic, and 'Knowing who they are', I think the main thing that has put me off Sonic games as of recent isn't the crappy cameras or bad platforming or anything, its all the wanky new characters that they try to force down your throat!

All I want are sonic, tails and knuckles and one bad guy, Dr Robotnik (none of this egg man crap). Also, have them on a island again, not living in a city with real people, thats just stupid.
 
Actually, speaking of Sonic, and 'Knowing who they are', I think the main thing that has put me off Sonic games as of recent isn't the crappy cameras or bad platforming or anything, its all the wanky new characters that they try to force down your throat!

All I want are sonic, tails and knuckles and one bad guy, Dr Robotnik (none of this egg man crap). Also, have them on a island again, not living in a city with real people, thats just stupid.

Aren't they the same person:huh:
 
Multiplayer.

Challenging yourself against other, real people will always be more satisfying and more rewarding than against AI enemies. IMO anyway.

And multiplayer has unlimited replay value aswell really.
 
Teardrop said:
Aren't they the same person

Yeah, but he was always known as Dr Robotnik in all the old sega genesis games, and then all of a sudden, in new generation Sonic, they called him Dr Eggman, without ever explaining the transition... It was stupid...It's like they tried to push Sonic down the cheezy anime area, with terrible voice acting, when it used to be more "cartoony" if you know what I mean.
 
Single Player. I want a good story that keeps me interested and worried about the characters.


Sure shooting a friend and hearing him scream in agony over the mic is fun. But I always prefer a good plot.
 
Yeah, but he was always known as Dr Robotnik in all the old sega genesis games, and then all of a sudden, in new generation Sonic, they called him Dr Eggman, without ever explaining the transition... It was stupid...It's like they tried to push Sonic down the cheezy anime area, with terrible voice acting, when it used to be more "cartoony" if you know what I mean.

Wasn't he always Eggman in the original Japanese versions, though?
 
Teardrop said:
Wasn't he always Eggman in the original Japanese versions, though?

Well i've never lived in Japan, so I wouldn't know, but he was robotnik in the games I played, and in the old cartoon show I watched as a kid, and then once they changed it all, it just seemed like all the nostalgia and parts of sonic from my childhood were gone, so there wasn't really anything tying me to the series.
 
Single player. I prefer my gameplay to have a story.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"