The real origin of the black suit.

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http://www.lincolncourier.com/story.asp?SID=6168&SEC=8

LCHS grad sparked Spider-Man's new outfit
Marvel, the comic book publisher, paid Randy Schueller $220 in 1982 for his idea to give Spidey a dark costume
BY MATT WILLIAMS
THE COURIER
Published Friday, June 01, 2007
"Spider-Man 3" already ranks 15th in all-time worldwide sales, earning $810 million, but the man who may be responsible for the movie received just $220 for his idea 25 years ago.





Randy Schueller, a 1978 Lincoln Community High School graduate, sent an idea to Marvel in 1982 to give Spider-Man a new costume, and now Spidey's new glistening black threads are part of one of this summer's biggest blockbusters.
"I was just out of college and Marvel had this contest to where you could send in ideas," Schueller said. "I was thinking, 'This is a guy who is swinging around at night wearing a bright red-and-blue costume.' That's where the black suit came from."
Soon after Schueller sent in his idea, he received a letter from then editor-in-chief Jim Shooter asking him if he could buy it. Shooter also asked Schueller's help in possibly writing a script for Spider-Man's new look.
He was thrilled to say the least.
After attempts to work with editors to develop a story, though, it looked as if his idea was going to die. But in May 1984, the famed comic book hero appeared in his first issue with his new black costume.
"I am not an artist, but when I thought it out I had it as a red spider (on Spidey's chest)," Schueller said. "They couldn't do that though because the red ink would bleed across the black.
Now the idea is on big screens all over the world, which helped Schueller come out with his story.
"The movie has made so much money," he said. "I can tell people now and not seem like such a geek. I had to tell all my friends and co-workers."
Schueller, now a chemist for a beauty supplies company in Chicago, always was intrigued by science, making Spider-Man a natural choice as a favorite comic book.
"Peter Parker (Spidey's 'human' character) was a scientist and it was kind of my inspiration then," Schueller said. "I was kind of Spidey fan ever since I was little kid.
"Basically, at the time, the scientific part of the character appealed to me so I gave him a new costume that made his powers work better."
Since Schueller, now 47, has come out in public he has been featured in the New York Post, Inside Edition and www.comicbookresources.com.
His kids even think he is famous.
"My kids are thrilled about the story, of course," Schueller said. "They ask, 'Can I have a copy of the newspaper to bring to school because you are famous?'"
To say Schueller has seen the new movie would be an understatement.
"I saw it three times as a matter of fact," he said. "It has a lot of great parts in it."
Schueller, who still makes his way back to Logan County to visit his parents Jerry and Judy Conner in Beason, is now asking for a little acknowledgement from Marvel.
He figures they don't owe him any money because of their original contract, but he wouldn't mind being mentioned or even being featured on commentary when the DVD comes out. "Marvel did nothing wrong because they paid me for the story," Schueller said. "My theory is that they are afraid I am going to sue them. It's not like it's going to cost them anything (to give me some credit)."
It's cool the guy won the contest at all but all he did was give the idea of the suits color. Not that it would be an alien symbiote. He doesn't really deserve credit on film. It's not like he invented the color black. Cool guy though and he doesn't seem to cocky about it or anything.
 
They should feature him on the DVD though, because he is a integral part to that aspect of the story. The black suit saga.
 
I guess if they have a "history of" sort of thing it would lead back to his idea as what sparked it.
 
How's the stock since the movie came out AD?
 
Stock price held up fine. Earnings came out and blew away estimates but analysts didn't realize they'd be just as frontloaded as the box office. So the stock slid from around 30 to 26 or so. Then then annouced a buyback and the stock went back up to 29 and has now settled just under 28. The big money will come from Marvel's studio films in 2008. I originally bought the stock at a split adjusted price of about $4.00/share and I have no desire to take profits. I'm that confident in their future. They will always have fans, new fans, new movies, new products, theme parks, video games, etc...It's a great pure play on the industry with one of the strongest brand names. There's enough characters out there to keep things fresh and let some rest for awhile to stir things up.
 
Cool,I thought about buying a few years ago.
I want to get some of that and Apple.
 
Not to turn this into a investing thread but I bought apple I think early last year around 57/share and sold it for 66/share. Doh! Look at it now. Ok back to the black suit.
 
He came up with the design ('cept the color of the spider) and he helped come up with the idea and story arc. It's in the article for those who say he doesn't deserve credit.
 
This is a bit strange because the real comic origin of the black suit actually involves Spider-Girl.

During Secret Wars Spider-Man loved Spider-Girls' new black costume, when he came in contact with the symbiote, he was thinking about Spider-Girls' costume and the symbiote took on that form.

Just coming up with the idea of wearing black is not a big deal. This guy gets about 1% credit in my book.
 
He came up with the design ('cept the color of the spider) and he helped come up with the idea and story arc. It's in the article for those who say he doesn't deserve credit.

wha...? no, it's not. the article mentions that Shooter asked Schueller for help in possibly writing a script but nowhere does it mention whether any of Schueller's ideas were used. it's not even clear how closely the final costume resembles Schueller's original design.
 
I honestly don't believe this guy help come up with the secret wars saga and so what if he suggested using black, I'm pretty sure loads of people came up with similar suggestions and what not. He sounds like a nice guy but dude should stick to his coagulents and test tubes.
 
This is a bit strange because the real comic origin of the black suit actually involves Spider-Girl.

During Secret Wars Spider-Man loved Spider-Girls' new black costume, when he came in contact with the symbiote, he was thinking about Spider-Girls' costume and the symbiote took on that form.

Just coming up with the idea of wearing black is not a big deal. This guy gets about 1% credit in my book.

Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter), not Spider-Girl.
 
Wonder if he ever made copies of his original story ideas that he worked on for the Black Suit? He probably tried to submit them but they were rejected. It would be a shame to work on stories & not keep a record of them but it would still be interesting to read them.
 
When you put everything together, the whole black suit deal is a pretty crazy story. In one of those typical fanboy "didn´t see it, already hate it" reactions they created the whole symbiote thing thinking fans would hate the suit, and when they saw it, they loved it...
 
I'll give the guy credit. Because in one of the TPBs featuring the black costume its said they had a contest to see what fans thought his new costume should be.
 
I've seen a picture of a design with the red spider. It looks much better with white anyway.

interesting article. Something about this would make a good easter egg on the DVD.
 
That's really cool. I'm happy for that guy. I guess 220 was alot back then...:huh: I wonder how many people believe him when he sees the suit and says "that's my design"
 
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This is a bit strange because the real comic origin of the black suit actually involves Spider-Girl.

During Secret Wars Spider-Man loved Spider-Girls' new black costume, when he came in contact with the symbiote, he was thinking about Spider-Girls' costume and the symbiote took on that form.

Just coming up with the idea of wearing black is not a big deal. This guy gets about 1% credit in my book.

Agreed. Although yes it is Spider-Woman. So...I assume Spider-Woman had that costume before Secret Wars? If so they already liked the idea of a black costume, so this guy was just responsible for a getting a near identicle suit on Spidey? Hmm, yeah..cool.
 
according to Wikipedia Spider-Woman's first appearance was in Secret Wars #1.
 
according to Wikipedia Spider-Woman's first appearance was in Secret Wars #1.

No the Original SPIDER-WOMAN/(Jessica Drew) made her first appearance in Marvel Spotlight #32 (February 1977)

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The Second Spider-woman / Julia Carpenter now goes by the name of Arachne made her first appearance in Secret Wars vol. 1 #7 (November, 1984,)

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