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[highguard]

Human Doom (He said he was back to being a business man) and Chiklis not being in much of the film.

That is not what he said!

He said that it was mainly another actor wearing the suit most of the time.

Now the part about Doom being a yuppie businessman all over again.... hmmm

That part is hard to figure as if he was lying he could have done better.

I don't think that this friend of his saw the entire film or what he saw is clearly quite different from the final product.

Doom as a businessman would make no sense, as LS pointed out so elequently before.

Having said all of this, it is also quite clear that there is a real mystery ongoing as to the actual status of this film.

We are hearing so many contradictory things from the actors, producers and writers that it is puzzling.

I have concluded that they are really going to pull out all the stops to make this film the best it could be.

The new Empire article is the most comprehensive one we have had to date and provides a better overview than anything we have had before. It is also obvious that we are still not privy to how the making and marketing of these films are done.

Story stated that galactus would have a form albeit a hybrid form.

I do not believe that Loan lied when he said Galactus would not appear.

That means one of two things, either he is not in on the final Form appearance or he was so busy filming his scenes that he neglected to become informed on what would be added in post production.

What is clear now is that galactus must be pure CGI with maybe a voice actor added at the latest, 11th hour.

This is not a stretch as they are clearly still undecided as to whether to do the same thing with using Doug Jones voice.

All I can say is that on June 15th watching this movie is going to be like watching a mystery finally be solved in and of itself.

Oh and congrats to Ghost Rider coming in as #1 again.

another 20 million or so.

56% drop, not bad.

Looking like a good year for Marvel.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Doom is not a business man. That makes no sense. Think about it. He killed people in the first film, practically destroyed the city, attempted more murder...who the hell is going to do business with him. He was also on his way to Latveria at the end of the first film. Maybe he's into "evil" business? Hmmmm. Sharks with freakin laser beams and mojo.

 

[HoratioRome]

Based on what, pray tell?

The statement that Doom was basically the same yuppi business man perhpas.
It's looking like more of the same to me no?
what ever happened to "full Doom".
and please keep in mind that, as YOU know, Doom is Never supposed to be "human" looking. Never.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Really it's looking? Looking from what? Considering Story said we'll see the full doom, and he'll feature 3 different looks. He's not a business man like in the first film. I don't believe that for a second.

 

[HoratioRome]

^ Really it's looking? Looking from what? Considering Story said we'll see the full doom, and he'll feature 3 different looks. He's not a business man like in the first film. I don't believe that for a second.

huhh from the fact that we can clearly see a "human" victor von Doom. which is also the case in the first movie.
do we forget that Once Doom becomes Doom Victor is supposed to dissapeat completely.
Did we forget that, that is an essential component of Dr. Doom, that we no longer see his face.
V for vendetta did it. why not the FF?

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ There's nothing "clear" about that picture. You don't know if that's the last scene in the film and if he's been tranformed "BACK" to Victor by the Surfer before he leaves the Earth and the credtis role. There is nothing clear by this.

 

[HoratioRome]

^ There's nothing "clear" about that picture. You don't know if that's the last scene in the film and if he's been tranformed "BACK" to Victor by the Surfer before he leaves the Earth and the credtis role. There is nothing clear by this.

I'm sorry to disagree advance but there is something quite clear about that picture. So clear in fact that it is a perfect example of the degree to which some are willing to close their eyes to the obvious in order to justify something they support. something that is very problematic in America today

It is CLEAR that Victor will appear in the movie as the regular non armor clad human that we saw in the first movie.
you can wish that it will only be for a second, or that it will be a Doombot, or whatever explanation you can come up with.
but none of that changes the FACT that VICTOR, as played by the actor will appear.
let me please remind you that Victor, does not exist.
he was destroyed when Dr.Doom was created.
that guy that you see is NOT supposed to be seen.
Dr. DOOM is DR.DOOM not some guy who sometimes puts on a suit.
his look, his identity is closely tied to his appearance and his identity.(much the same way Dictators tend to sport one specific look).
to do away with that look, is to diminish the character. to lessen him.period.
it would be like showing galactus with a towel arounds his waist without his helmet and costume.
and let me once again remind you that it is DOOM bots, not or NEVER victor bots. so that theory makes very little sense, even if it turns out to be true.

 

[Malus]

I'm sorry to disagree advance but there is something quite clear about that picture. So clear in fact that it is a perfect example of the degree to which some are willing to close their eyes to the obvious in order to justify something they support. something that is very problematic in America today

It is CLEAR that Victor will appear in the movie as the regular non armor clad human that we saw in the first movie.
you can wish that it will only be for a second, or that it will be a Doombot, or whatever explanation you can come up with.
but none of that changes the FACT that VICTOR, as played by the actor will appear.
let me please remind you that Victor, does not exist.
he was destroyed when Dr.Doom was created.
that guy that you see is NOT supposed to be seen.
Dr. DOOM is DR.DOOM not some guy who sometimes puts on a suit.
his look, his identity is closely tied to his appearance and his identity.(much the same way Dictators tend to sport one specific look).
to do away with that look, is to diminish the character. to lessen him.period.
it would be like showing galactus with a towel arounds his waist without his helmet and costume.
and let me once again remind you that it is DOOM bots, not or NEVER victor bots. so that theory makes very little sense, even if it turns out to be true.

If Doom's appearance is restored by the Surfer, or if he chooses to restore his looks himself once he's stolen the power cosmic, that seems perfectly in character to me. Of course he'd restore his own looks.
Really, I'm surprised Lee & Kirby didn't include that in the original story.

It doesn't really matter to me as long as what we end up with by movie's end is an iron-masked Dr. Doom who is scarred under that mask.

 

[highguard]

I'm sorry to disagree advance but there is something quite clear about that picture. So clear in fact that it is a perfect example of the degree to which some are willing to close their eyes to the obvious in order to justify something they support. something that is very problematic in America today

It is CLEAR that Victor will appear in the movie as the regular non armor clad human that we saw in the first movie.
you can wish that it will only be for a second, or that it will be a Doombot, or whatever explanation you can come up with.
but none of that changes the FACT that VICTOR, as played by the actor will appear.
let me please remind you that Victor, does not exist.
he was destroyed when Dr.Doom was created.
that guy that you see is NOT supposed to be seen.
Dr. DOOM is DR.DOOM not some guy who sometimes puts on a suit.
his look, his identity is closely tied to his appearance and his identity.(much the same way Dictators tend to sport one specific look).
to do away with that look, is to diminish the character. to lessen him.period.
it would be like showing galactus with a towel arounds his waist without his helmet and costume.
and let me once again remind you that it is DOOM bots, not or NEVER victor bots. so that theory makes very little sense, even if it turns out to be true.

This is not fodder for contention. It is logical to assume that Doom if he purloins the Power Cosmic might assume or repair his badly damaged form, or the SS did it for him before he stole his power.

Either way this incarnation is clearly the post FF1 transformation victor in some form, because ben has shoved him apparently, through a wall and Victor does not look as if he is affected traumatically in any way.

The idea that Victor might have healed himself with the PC is totally in keeping with Victor's character from the first movie in which he was obsessed with his appearance.

So seeing Victor in human form is not problematic. What and how that scene is related to the rest of the story is key to the rest of the movie.

I find myself intrigued. There really are so many twists and turns in which this movie could go.

This is like a murder mystery with all the actors sending us off on wild goose chases.

Well lets see how this goes.

 

[Dragon]

Doom is not a business man. That makes no sense. Think about it. He killed people in the first film, practically destroyed the city, attempted more murder...who the hell is going to do business with him. He was also on his way to Latveria at the end of the first film. Maybe he's into "evil" business? Hmmmm. Sharks with freakin laser beams and mojo.

Okay.. And you think business men, especially those with the protection of foreign nations haven't killed people and covered things up? No one saw Victor Von Doom kill anyone. They saw some metallic-skinned monster.

And based on the approach taken with the first film things from FF2 not "making sense" is a foregone conclusion.

 

[Dragon]

That is not what he said!

He said that it was mainly another actor wearing the suit most of the time.

Now the part about Doom being a yuppie businessman all over again.... hmmm

That part is hard to figure as if he was lying he could have done better.

I don't think that this friend of his saw the entire film or what he saw is clearly quite different from the final product.

Doom as a businessman would make no sense, as LS pointed out so elequently before.

Having said all of this, it is also quite clear that there is a real mystery ongoing as to the actual status of this film.

We are hearing so many contradictory things from the actors, producers and writers that it is puzzling.

I have concluded that they are really going to pull out all the stops to make this film the best it could be.

The new Empire article is the most comprehensive one we have had to date and provides a better overview than anything we have had before. It is also obvious that we are still not privy to how the making and marketing of these films are done.

Story stated that galactus would have a form albeit a hybrid form.

I do not believe that Loan lied when he said Galactus would not appear.

That means one of two things, either he is not in on the final Form appearance or he was so busy filming his scenes that he neglected to become informed on what would be added in post production.

What is clear now is that galactus must be pure CGI with maybe a voice actor added at the latest, 11th hour.

This is not a stretch as they are clearly still undecided as to whether to do the same thing with using Doug Jones voice.

All I can say is that on June 15th watching this movie is going to be like watching a mystery finally be solved in and of itself.

Oh and congrats to Ghost Rider coming in as #1 again.

another 20 million or so.

56% drop, not bad.

Looking like a good year for Marvel.

He said there was less Chiklis, and so did Empire. And both said his discomfort with the suit was a factor.

And claiming a detail like Doom being a business man again is a pretty ballsy move for someone to lie about, since we're all expecting him to be a dictator in Latveria. But- it's possible that Doom remains a business man- simply because Fox doesn't want him a dictator. If they did, he would have been one in the first film. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for him to be any type of business executive. As LS likes to say: EVER. So if he was in that spot in FF1, he might continue in that position in 2.

Doom could still be doing business internationally, arming terrorist governments etc. and making alot of money even if his business dealings with the US is over. And let's make no mistake- if the US government worked with Nazi scientists after WWII, they might very well work covertly with Doom.

 

[Spider - Man]

Okay.. And you think business men, especially those with the protection of foreign nations haven't killed people and covered things up? No one saw Victor Von Doom kill anyone. They saw some metallic-skinned monster.

And based on the approach taken with the first film things from FF2 not "making sense" is a foregone conclusion.

Well, I'm sure once the cops and press got there, it wasn't long before everyone found out who the metal-skinned monster really was.

As for the making sense part, I'll hope for the best but prepare for the worst.