The Rumor Mill: Got A Rumor? Post It Here!

[thegameq]

hmph...? To vague, albeit a supposed rough cut. I must say though, if Doom turns out to be a repeat of the Doom in the first film, but closely resembles the look from the comics, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I don't think Fox ever really had any intention of making movie Doom the "evil, mad, genius dictator of Latveria" any way. I just don't see it in Story's vision.

Hopefully I'll be wrong.

 

[highguard]

It looks like Horatio Rome is Rome on that forum, is that true HR.

Well it looks like a guy who is upset that Galactus is not shown. This is nothing we did not know.

His characterization of Doom seems way off from what Tim has said of Doom however and as we are going to get some shots of Doom soon we should know whether there is any truth to What Tim has been saying.

The long and short of it is that we have one report, Millar's saying the first cut was great. Now we have another report saying the opposite and zeroing in on the Galactus controversy which we knew was going to be a lightning rod.

I hope Ralph Winter, Tim Story and Tom Rothman are taking note. This is one of the obvious things that would be controversial.

Not showing Galactus was always going to be very disappointing, but you know what that is what was being said from the very beginning, remember this comment, "what we are trying to do is to show him without showing him"

Was that Avi, I can't recall.

Again it sounds like this was one of the budget cuts that was imposed upon Tim. We know that they have already done the design work.

At this stage it might not hurt to spend the extra money on Galactus.

This movie has been tracking and is being mentioned in the same breath as Spiderman. It has that potential but at some point somebody at Fox is going to have to take a risk.

It sounds to me though that Fox is well aware of the potential and that is why they have not closed the book this early on the movie. MSJ finished up the GR movie a month before it was due. I understand that George Lucas finished up SWROTS a week before the movie was due and then it was a rush to get the prints done (this sounds unbelievable) and maybe that is what we are going to get with FF but I say go for it Fox.

They say Fortune favors the bold.

 

[Malus]

This is the main statement that makes me doubt this guy saw a thing:

1. Dr. Doom is back, and he's still just a yuppie exec with nothing to do.

Yeah, nothing to do but steal the Surfer's cosmic power and battle the FF in at least 2 international locations.

 

[Spider-Fan]

These sound more like opinions than actual facts anyway, so he really isn't ruining anything (except the Galactus cloud thing). I doubt this guy saw anything.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Right.

Not that I've seen a script or anything but...in what situation would Victor be an Executive again anyway? If I recall correctly, Von Doom Industries was shut down and then bought out and Victor was personally ousted by the bank. The way how FF1 left off I was given the impression he was going back to Latveria "frozen", unconcious and immobile. So I have a hard time believing that upon arrival his assistants merely thaw him out and send him to back to America to work at an office job.

It doesn't add up.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

What really doesn't add up...


today's the 22nd, not the 23rd.

 

[Dragon]

*sigh* Why am I not surprised?

Please do not take offense at this but--24 hours ago you gave a legitimate comic book writer (Mark Millar) friggin hell for his assessment of the film (which was a fairly positive one), nitpicked his thoughts and motives to death (and took this whole forum to task in the process)...but this faceless mug gets a free pass as "legit"? May I please ask: why are you so comfortable with his thoughts and not Millar's? Is it because the former says the film is a source of unprecedented suckage and this possibly better coincides with what you're expecting from FF2?

Right back at ya with the lack of surprise thing..

And- regarding Millar, I never said he was lying about seeing the footage or even commented on his opinion of the film. I said he didn't have a grasp of the source material if he felt that the FF was inherently "light" and that a writer for the Simpsons (Just because he wrote for the Simpsons) was the right choice for the FF.

This guy has little reason to lie. You think he needs to go this far to impress some folks discussing superhero statues? Why not just say he was hanging with Bowen and his crew and got the inside dope on next their line of statues?

And I'm saying this for the last time. My feelings about this franchise are exactly this: You have a baseball team or whatever that you've loved since you were a kid. But now you believe that those running the team- the owner, manager and coaches don't know how to act in the team's best interest. They hire players that don't fit, cut corners that they shouldn't.

And the silly irony is that on the last film, things you and others who were taking ME to task about- have since complained about the same crap.

And as I said above, when the script summary was released for Spidey 3- I HATED what I read. But I could still see the poster was telling the truth. So no- I'm not petty or biased and only accept rumors that tell me what I want to here- Cause guess what- I don't want FF2 to suck- I want to see a GOOD FF movie. I just don't believe that the folks onboard can deliver. But it's not like I'm happy because of this- Because if this dies- then no more FF films. Which is not a good thing.

That's probably because he doesn't have any spoilers to give out.

And see- if anything- you need to check yourself- because you're certainly ready to attack anyone who doesn't say what you want to hear about these films. You have no actual reason to say this guy is lying. But he "probably" is? Sure, take his post with a grain of salt. I am. But it does sound like he's seen the film.

And BTW- as far as fake posts- you actually want to be looking for people who give too much detail. That's usually a good signal of someone who's BSing.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

As for getting attention- if he wanted that, he'd post here or at AICN, not some little Statue Forum. And he's only bringing it up in discussing how he thinks the movioe will effect the value of Surfer and Galactus statues. A very bizarre reason to lie.

Or maybe... he posted on a site with smaller membership and traffic to avoid the quite deservable derision he'd receive here where there's more than likely a wealth of better informed members.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

And BTW- as far as fake posts- you actually want to be looking for people who give too much detail. That's usually a good signal of someone who's BSing.

Well, as one who assists in managing these boards and deals with dozens of "imposters" and studio plants constantly, I've become fairly well-versed in how to determine inconsistencies. But even if I didn't have to read so much here my common sense would help me come to the same conclusion. Why? Because there are tell-tale signs--not the least of which is telling too much or too little.

And see- if anything- you need to check yourself- because you're certainly ready to attack anyone who doesn't say what you want to hear about these films. You have no actual reason to say this guy is lying. But he "probably" is? Sure, take his post with a grain of salt. I am. But it does sound like he's seen the film.

As far as being ready to attack "anyone who doesn't say what you want to hear about these films"...well, truth be told I've done my own share of attacking this franchise (as well as X3). In fact, my enthusiasm for this film is nowhere near the levels I had for the first pre-FF1 release...I got burned like everyone else. Therefore, I'm not allergic to sounding off constructive cricitism when it's due. I am, however, allergic to BS, which my tells me this might be.

To be honest, this guy didn't say anything that I couldn't have via creating a new S/N here and "spilling the tea." Tell me something I can VERIFY later...not broad generics of "suckage"...anyone can do that.

 

[Dragon]

Or maybe... he posted on a site with smaller membership and traffic to avoid the quite deservable derision he'd receive here where there's more than likely a wealth of better informed members.

Look, you guys believe what you want. In the grand scheme of things, this rumor or whatever means nothing. It doesn't effect the public by-enlarge, and whoever is hellbent on seeing it, will do so regardless of this guy's opinion posted on a Statue forum.

 

[Kelly]

^^true...

 

[Dragon]

As one who manages these boards and deals with dozens of "imposters" and studio plants constantly, I'm fairly well-versed in how to determine inconsistencies. But even if I didn't have to read so much here my common sense would help me come to the same conclusion. Why? Because there are tell-tale signs--not the least of which is telling too much or too little.

But that's a big tell-tale sign. You can essentially tell when their "speaking in their own voice" in giving details, versus describing something from memory. Because oftentimes, we'll forget details of something we saw, only to bring them up later. If the poster gives striking detail from the first word, then it's probably made up. I once called an author of a book on martial arts for example on this. He described fights he had with too much detail, that a person who's actually fighting will never recall. Everything is too immediate.

As far as being ready to attack "anyone who doesn't say what you want to hear about these films"...well, truth be told I've done my own share of attacking this franchise (as well as X3). In fact, my enthusiasm for this film is nowhere near the levels I had for the first pre-FF1 release...I got burned like everyone else. Therefore, I'm not allergic to sounding off constructive cricitism when it's due. I am, however, allergic to BS, which my tells me this might be.

To be honest, this guy didn't say anything that I couldn't have via creating a new S/N here and "spilling the tea." Tell me something I can VERIFY later...not broad generics of "suckage"...anyone can do that.

Well, I really don't want to turn this into a battle over something so insignificant. More details about the film will be unveiled soon. The few details he did mention, about Doom still being a business man and GAS-lactus- is something that should be easily verifiable. So we should know soon if that's BS or not.

 

[Grog]

Basically, it sounds like the guy saw the trailer and has heard the Galactus rumors. Why would anyone give this a second thought? The "review" says nothing. He conceeds the Torch and Surfer look good because thats all we've seen in the trailer. BTW, the surfer and torche's affects would not be completed at this time... No way is Doom a Business man in this film, etc., etc. This is a guy with an axe to grind.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hey LS,

Don't you think this thread should be merged with Retroman's one regarding the Rough Cut and Mark Millar with maybe a generaliztion of the title.

 

[Malus]

Hey LS,

Don't you think this thread should be merged with Retroman's one regarding the Rough Cut and Mark Millar with maybe a generaliztion of the title.

How about "Rough Cuts & Rumors?"

 

[HoratioRome]

Jeez guys, I thought this thread was closed. let me go and try to answer some of the questions and points made.

 

[HoratioRome]

Lastly I do believe the guy probably did see a rough cut but at the same time this is not a finished product and if they're keeping Galactus somewhat of a secret as far as there look they could always add it in after the showing.

Still I'm ok with a presence cause if they made some 30 story purple humanoid it might seem cool on paper but it might have tested horrible on screen.

My guess is the purple gas surrounds him and he's within in the cloud. Remember in Armageddon when the comet was going towards the Earth and your view is a first person view from the comets perspective...but still part of the comets vapors were in front of the camera with the Earth in the distance. That's why I expect. I have no issues with this whatsoever. Better than Megamaid.

At the same time keep in mind this comes right after Millar said he saw a rough cut or one of his friends did and that person liked what he saw. The above person is probably legit but probably a major purist.

well for the record I've PM him and he says that is not possible. no way to change the cloud into something else without major changes. but then again you may be right.

 

[HoratioRome]

Well, let me go on record as saying this guy sounds legit. To those saying it's fake due to lack of detail- He says from jump that he isn't giving out spoilers. As for getting attention- if he wanted that, he'd post here or at AICN, not some little Statue Forum. And he's only bringing it up in discussing how he thinks the movioe will effect the value of Surfer and Galactus statues. A very bizarre reason to lie.

Like with the Spidey 3 script summary and Q & A (Which I also knew was legit, even though I hated what I was reading at the time), there's a way that someone writes when they're being honest that differs from a fake "lookatme" post.

I have to say that I agree with this 100%. That is the reason why I choose to believe this guy (though I acknowledge it could still be a lie).

A little background. That forum is mostly about statues and bust. as you can all see the "bowen" section generates the most interests and the most post.
Movies, and other topics are rarely visited.
secondly, things don't work the same way there as they do here. people don't generally create these kinds of "look at me posts".
thirdly, the vast majority of statue collectors and older and mature. it's an expensive hobby.
so I agree, if it was a lie, why go there and do it?
as for the lack of detail, he does say he doesn't want to say too much in order to avoid anyone from being able to track it back to the source.
apparently a buddy who is working on this called him in. he calls it a "fluke".

lastly, the tone both on the forum or in our PMs don't strike me as lies. Perhaps I'm being set up, but I just don't think so.

 

[HoratioRome]

If he's in statue forums maybe he designs them or something who knows. Rome could answer that probably or you could check his profile on the site. I think someone said linking his story here would bring attention the their site. Look at the posts.

No to my knowledge he isn't a sculptor. I said that about bringing attention to the other forum by posting the link here. But I also said I'm not sure that's a good thing. so that was not my motivation by any means. apparently he's in "the business" and "somebody called him in".

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Merge the threads? Your wishes are my commands.

 

[Inhuman63]

No way is Doom a Business man in this film, etc., etc. This is a guy with an axe to grind.

If I remember correctly with an interview that Julian gave he stated something along the lines that he wakes up pretty pissed after the incidents in FF1. I would think that he is set up in Latveria and we should see his arc as he turns into the Doom that we know.

A purple cloud being seen before Galactus in his entirety is fine with me. I always hoped that the movie ends on a cliffhanger note with the threat of Galactus being imminent but not shown in this film. Whether the ending will be finite or not, is not something that bothers me at this point.

To be honest, I love the FF but I am not a purist when it comes to the movies since IMO the two different mediums do not necessarily mesh with each other very well and entire characterzations really have to be developed very quickly. I mean, we had 40 years of developing Sue's character from the beginning to being, arguably, the most powerful member of the four but in the beginning she was the weakest link and would faint if a fly landed on her force field. I really would not want to see her that weak in the movies and I was glad that they showed her using her force fields in the beggining and them being strong.

But back to the rumor mill, I concur that this does not sound like a real legit rumor as in nothing is actually being given away that is not common knowledge and if it is true, it does sound more like a comic purist that is upset (I get this from reading his posts on the link that was provided). I really believe that this movie is going to be way better than the 1st one.

If it follows the same pattern as X-Men then I will be happy because I honestly did not like the 1st one but the 2nd one had me gripped in my seat. With the FF franchise, I enjoyed the first one so I hope that the next one will be awesome to me.

 

[HoratioRome]

It looks like Horatio Rome is Rome on that forum, is that true HR.

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Yes

 

[HoratioRome]

Merge the threads? Your wishes are my commands.

man that threw me for a loop. I was in the middle of writing.

 

[Malus]

well for the record I've PM him and he says that is not possible. no way to change the cloud into something else without major changes. but then again you may be right.

An emerging ship could be composited pretty easily in 4 months time, I'd think.
Say Galactus' "presence" appears to be a purple cloud (Sounds like V'Ger in the first Trek film) until it reaches Earth... I would expect we'd at least get the standard spherical ship emerging from the cloud, even if we never see the physical form of Galactus.

There've been rough cuts cobbled together for some productions that still have actors talking to a tennis ball on a stick.
I would ask: Who specifically stated that "This is Galactus and it's too late to make changes?"

But really, the Dr. Doom's still a "yuppie Exec" when we know he does some pretty major supervillain stuff in this one...That's the main reason I just don't think the guy saw it.

And I agree with Inhuman63, the purple cloud (at least as a starting point) wouldn't really bother me that much.

 

[HoratioRome]

The Godfather and Sopranos are based on family dynamics. Leave it to Beaver is based on family dynamics. Friends is on family dynamics. Star Trek is based on family dynamics. Lethal Weapon is based on family dynamics.

Merely being based the concept of family doesn't link the two. And no- I'm not saying that if someone writes a comedy they can't write a drama. Writer William Peter Blatty wrote comedies and muscials for Blake Edwards before churning out a little family novel/screenplay called The Exorcist.

My point is that Millar's inside info compares Payne's writing work on FF to the Simpsons, which is not an appropriate comparison. And the FF is every bit as serious as the X-men- despite there being some moments of comic relief. The X-men have them as well. As for the focus on Johnny- Johnny's moments in FF1 were kind of funny. They were also vapid and pointless, and certainly not based on "family dynamic".

you know what, I have to go on record here and say I agree with you. it's interesting how perceptions start, take a momentum of their own, and become facts.

look I can also see the other people's points, but I don't think they are seeing waht you're saying.
it is true that there is banter in the FF. It is true that Ben and Johnny play practical jokes on each other. It is also true that Ben will make a wise crack in the most serious of moments.
But what I think people are missing is that the moment is serious.
very serious and very intense.
People are missing the other half of it. Though Ben and Johnny joke around, it is also true that fight and argue too. serious and heavy arguments that are real and often very angry.
The situations that the FF have been in are threats so heavy that they could destroy the whole world. Where is the comedy in that?
finally people are ignoring the often humorous moments in other comics like the x-men. not to mention very serious shows like the sopranos, or very dark and serious movies.

I don't think it's fair to say that the FF is lighter or less serious than any other comic.
that simply isn't accurate. Having funny or comedic moments does not a comedy make, and taking the comedy angle is the wrong approach.