The Run Time Length Thread

[Peter McCabe]

I like how you just pull numbers and statistics out of thin air

Thin air? Try common sense

Do you really want me to post all the good/great movies that were near or 2+ hours long in here???

Dude TRY to list 10 anti-hero movies that go over 2 hours and that in some way influenced Jackman's protrayal/vision of Wolverine.

I'll give you one - The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976).

 

[Deaths Head II]

*A movie under 2 hours can be epic:

A Fistful of Dollars (1964) 99 minutes

Dirty Harry (1971) 102 minutes

The French Connection (1971) 104 minutes

Death Wish (1974) 93 minutes

MAD MAX (1979) 94 minutes

The Road Warrior (1981) 93 minutes

Escape from New York (1981) 99 minutes

First Blood (1982) 94 minutes

ROBOCOP (1987) 102 minutes

Reservoir Dogs (1991) 99 minutes

I would also like to point out most of those aren't "epic". Films like Dirty Harry and Death Wish are actually very reserved and use suspense. The trailers have shown us this is not how Wolverine will be. If it's as explosive and jam-packed as it looks and as short as a lot of these films it will feel rushed.

 

[chaseter]

Thin air? Try common sense

This made me laugh so hard because you know exactly how long each of those plot arcs will take during the movie...I LOL'D HARD

Dude TRY to list 10 anti-hero movies that go over 2 hours and that in some way influenced Jackman's protrayal/vision of Wolverine.

I'll give you one - The Outlaw Josey Wales.

I didn't know anti-hero was a genre of movies. This is a superhero movie and it is saddening that Jackman loves short movies and thinks that will be good for a movie with a group of characters rooted in over 3 decades of comic history.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I didn't know anti-hero was a genre of movies. This is a superhero movie and it is saddening that Jackman loves short movies and thinks that will be good for a movie with a group of characters rooted in over 3 decades of comic history.

Do you like Hugh Jackman's take on Wolverine?

Because it has little to do with the comic.

Just watch Mad Max and Dirty Harry and you'll have the recipe for what Jackman's been doing since X1.

 

[chaseter]

Do you like Hugh Jackman's take on Wolverine?

Because it has little to do with the comic.

Just watch Mad Max and Dirty Harry and you'll have the recipe for what Jackman's been doing since X1.

As some of you say, an actor has no say in his character...he does what is written for him.

Jackman plays Wolverine, not Jackman playing Wolverine playing Dirty Harry.

Yes, I do enjoy Jackman as Wolverine...was he the perfect choice, no but he has done a good job.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Do you like Hugh Jackman's take on Wolverine?

Because it has little to do with the comic.

Just watch Mad Max and Dirty Harry and you'll have the recipe for what Jackman's been doing since X1.

Well...if the shoe fits...

 

[Peter McCabe]

I would also like to point out most of those aren't "epic". Films like Dirty Harry and Death Wish are actually very reserved and use suspense. The trailers have shown us this is not how Wolverine will be. If it's as explosive and jam-packed as it looks and as short as a lot of these films it will feel rushed.

Have you seen The Road Warrior?

Its as explosive as any of the footage we've seen from this film.

 

[chaseter]

Have you seen The Road Warrior?

Its as explosive as any of the footage we've seen from this film.

Have you seen any Michael Bay movie?

 

[Peter McCabe]

Have you seen any Michael Bay movie?

I have and thank God Jackman doesn't do those kinds of movies t:

I'm expecting this movie to be very dry yet with a touch of Hollywood.

there's no reason an anti-hero movie can't work in an hour and 40 minutes.

they'll have to go easy on the wars, but didn't they shoot a war per day?

I think that's the main reason why we're not getting so much war footage, and this was something Hood and Jackman decided on long before principal photography.

 

[chaseter]

The wars are flashbacks I believe anyways.

 

[Peter McCabe]

The wars are flashbacks I believe anyways.

Gavin Hood is a master of flashbacks.

Rendition was one HUGE flashback.

*sometimes I wonder if this whole film is also one huge flashback that begins with Wolverine thinking about his past.

that would actually work wonders for a sequel, since the sequel can take off after that.

 

[chaseter]

I thought that the flashbacks occurred while he was getting his adamantium. Silver Fox is murdered, he goes in for the stuff, and we see all the war flashbacks.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I thought that the flashbacks occurred while he was getting his adamantium. Silver Fox is murdered, he goes in for the stuff, and we see all the war flashbacks.

that would make alotta sense, but it would kinda take us away from the picture for a bit.

I would prefer they show us the flashbacks in the beginning or as nostalgic thoughts like Michael Corleone's in Godfather Part II when we see the earlier stuff with DeNiro as Pacino sits alone thinking about the past.

 

[chaseter]

To me, the show opens with him killing his father, we then see him living happily with SilverFox who is then fake murdered. Wolverine is contacted by Stryker again (the first contact was when he asks the brothers to come in but we see that later in a flashback). Wolverine goes in and we see the flashbacks as he gets his adamantium. The big reveal is that Sabretooth was already in the program and he welcomes Logan, we see SilverFox again. The team does stuff, the team is disbanded, Sabretooth begins killing the team, Wolverine searches for members where he ends up in New Orleans, and then back to Stryker's base and the end battle at 3 mile island.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I thought that the flashbacks occurred while he was getting his adamantium. Silver Fox is murdered, he goes in for the stuff, and we see all the war flashbacks.

In the original script he gets flashbacks to his past in his dreams. I actually hope they keep some of that in because its a very ironic twist.

Post-Weapon X Logan can't remember his past and wants to, but pre-Weapon X Logan could never forget it. It also explains why he would be more willing to go through with the Adamantium bonding process.

"All the horrible things in your life..."

 

[TheVileOne]

Why do people keep touting around Mad Max movies like this is supposed to be a Mad Max movie?

This isn't ****ing Mad Max. Get a better argument.

What was every fan saying after X-men? "We want a longer movie!" They answered that with X-men 2 and it was freaking great.

The most successful comic book super hero movies are generally the ones that are longer. And most of the biggest successes in the history of cinema are LONGER movies.

 

[protocida]

I don't think the Team X scenes are flashbacks. It sounds like it all happens in real time.

 

[chaseter]

Of course the Team X scenes aren't flashbacks...I was talking about the war scenes being flashbacks.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Why do people keep touting around Mad Max movies like this is supposed to be a Mad Max movie?

This isn't ****ing Mad Max. Get a better argument.

What was every fan saying after X-men? "We want a longer movie!" They answered that with X-men 2 and it was freaking great.

The most successful comic book super hero movies are generally the ones that are longer. And most of the biggest successes in the history of cinema are LONGER movies.

This whole post is a waste of time.

You're basically skipping EVERYTHING we've been discussing to post a close-minded opinion that doesn't carry any real substance.

Jackman bases his portrayal of Wolverine on the classic anti-hero persona that is closest to MAD MAX.

Anti-hero movies usually run 90 - 100 Minutes and have survived the test of time with great critical acclaim MUCH MUCH more impressive than that of any comic book movie.

you need to look at this movie from a broader spectrum, or perhaps you need to start renting some of the movies I listed

 

[protocida]

Of course the Team X scenes aren't flashbacks...I was talking about the war scenes being flashbacks.

But Team X happens right after Vietnam.

 

[sniktsnakt]

How much time before movies come out do we usually hear about the official time length?

 

[danoyse]

Gavin Hood is a master of flashbacks.

Rendition was one HUGE flashback.

Making one film that was a giant flashback doesn't make anyone a master of it. And in Rendition that whole flashback idea didn't work at all.

 

[Figs]

Jackman bases his portrayal of Wolverine on the classic anti-hero persona that is closest to MAD MAX.

Although I'm a fan of the Mad Max films...Jackman should have based his portayal of an already existing character(Wolverine)...on that character. I understand when actors take a bit of inspiration from past events/characters but all in all Wolverine is not Max. They may have similarities but that's mainly just in the fact that they're both anti-heroes.

Even if he did base Wolverine on Mad Max why does that mean they have to follow suit by going for the same runtime simply because it's an anti-hero film.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what your basically stating right? Since Jackman based it on Mad Max they decided to keep the runtime similar as well because it worked for 80's films?

Anti-hero movies usually run 90 - 100 Minutes and have survived the test of time with great critical acclaim MUCH MUCH more impressive than that of any comic book movie.

Yes, but all of those films you listed I own and love but realize that most of them were from the 70's & 80's. Times change, film and writing evolve. When it came to action films(not epics but blow stuff up or revenge films) back then it was expected to be short and sweet. Guy gets revenge for murdered/raped/kidnapped family, in short, main character was wronged...payback time.

Wolverine is an anti-hero but he's one that wasn't made up for a script. He has a lot of history(from the comics, which gave him a huge fanbase before any X-men films came out)and the characters they are putting in the film aren't just new characters as if you were to watch Robocop, Death Wish or Mad Max for the first time but existing characters from the comics who have quite a few fans themselves. They shouldn't be shortchanged by runtime.

you need to look at this movie from a broader spectrum, or perhaps you need to start renting some of the movies I listed

You can say it's because the few of us need to look at the movie from a broader spectrum but it comes down to wanting action movies that are longer because it adds more depth and character development.

I'm keeping my expectations low so I won't be disappointed like with X-3. Even if it turns out good and is only 90 minutes that's great but expect a number of the supporting cast(who are well known comic characters to us fans)to get short changed like Angel in X-3.

 

[chaseter]

How much time before movies come out do we usually hear about the official time length?

When someone actually sits down and watches the movie I imagine. If it was around 2 hours I don't see why they would hide that information but if it were around 90 minutes then it would be beneficial for them to keep that from us.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Making one film that was a giant flashback doesn't make anyone a master of it. And in Rendition that whole flashback idea didn't work at all.

I really have no idea why you disliked Rendition so much.

everyone else I know that saw it liked it alot and really enjoyed the idea of the movie going in one big circle.