The Run Time Length Thread

[protocida]

I can't even remember how many times i watched that trailer.

 

[TheVileOne]

That is the movie they released because there's no way it would've been different. Ever since Singer left it all went down the toilet.

 

[protocida]

X3 was really good, but it could've been better.

 

[Peter McCabe]

X3 was really good, but it could've been better.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

X3 was really good, but it could've been better.

Agreed on the entire quote (there's more to the movie than just Cyclops dying and Rogue getting the cure), but the bolded is a huge understatement.

The movie could have been A LOT better. It is even, to a certain degree, my favorite of the trilogy. But it fell short on so many opportunities.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Agreed on the entire quote (there's more to the movie than just Cyclops dying and Rogue getting the cure), but the bolded is a huge understatement.

that post made my morning

I've been saying that same thing to people for 3 years now.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I thought X3 was mediocre and no where near "really good". Every so often I get the urge to rewatch it and I get bored with it after Professor X's death.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I thought X3 was mediocre and no where near "really good". Every so often I get the urge to rewatch it and I get bored with it after Professor X's death.

Do what I do - after Xavier's death, skip to the scene of Logan in the woods.

then after that scene, skip to the scene where Phoenix is going nuts in Alcatraz and Logan has to shut her down.

*with X2, I watch the scene with Logan fighting the intruders and then I just turn it off.

X1 - I watch the ENTIRE movie everytime I put on the DVD

 

[protocida]

X3's main problems we're:

1. Craming two great stories in one movie, and ending up sub-developing both of them.
2. Rushing production to release it before Superman Returns.
3. Abrupt fates of several characters because of scheduling conflicts.

But there we're definetly some great scenes in it:

. The Danger Room section.
. Professor Xavier's death and funeral.
. Magneto moving the Golden Gate bridge.
. Wolverine VS. Phoenix.

Etc.

 

[Peter McCabe]

X3's main problems we're:

1. Craming two great stories in one movie, and ending up sub-developing both of them.

I think they were both properly developed.

Story A: Jean Grey has gone nuts and people will die unless she does.

Story B: The Mutant Cure is the perfect catalyst for Magneto to declare a full war against the U.S. Government now that he has the means to recruit an army of mutants.

2. Rushing production to release it before Superman Returns.

The X-Men films have the "every 3 year" release date schedule that has stood strong for a decade now. The fact that Singer left them out to dry and Vaughn got cold feet didn't justify the film getting pushed back a year. 4 years in between sequels is not good at all, as most general audiences will lose interest.

Superman Returns lost the battle to X3 by $34 Million and killed the Superman franchise upon arrival.

Bryan Singer should buy himself a drink for that

3. Abrupt fates of several characters because of scheduling conflicts.

Cyclops' death was part of Phoenix's character development anyway. Who else was she supposed to kill? Some random trucker by Alkali lake after she steps out of the water?

She needed a serious victim to alert the X-Men of her very dangerous nature.

There really aren't any other deaths that anybody can question, I personally feel Psylocke NEVER shoulda been in the film and nobody really cared if Stacy X/Arclight and Quill/Kid Omega got offed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

X3 was an absolutely atrocious movie, and if this one turns out anything like it, I WONT be paying money to watch it.

 

[protocida]

Story A: Jean Grey has gone nuts and people will die unless she does.

The Dark Phoenix is a lot more than just that.

Story B: The Mutant Cure is the perfect catalyst for Magneto to declare a full war against the U.S. Government now that he has the means to recruit an army of mutants.

The Mutant Cure and it's aftermaths could have been dealt with a lot better if there we're a proper time.

The X-Men films have the "every 3 year" release date schedule that has stood strong for a decade now. The fact that Singer left them out to dry and Vaughn got cold feet didn't justify the film getting pushed back a year. 4 years in between sequels is not good at all, as most general audiences will lose interest.

If the franchise is really strong, it can stand another year. Besides, they could've release it later in the year. But no, it HAD to be before Singer's new movie.

Cyclops' death was part of Phoenix's character development anyway. Who else was she supposed to kill? Some random trucker by Alkali lake after she steps out of the water?

Cyclops death was a mixture of scheduling conflicts with SR and James Marsden "betraying" the franchise. There we're other ways to showcase how dangerous the Phoenix is without necessarily killing Scott.

She needed a serious victim to alert the X-Men of her very dangerous nature.

She had Professor Xavier (With that death, i can agree) and basicly everyone who stepped in her way. It they developed her more.

There really aren't any other deaths that anybody can question, I personally feel Psylocke NEVER shoulda been in the film and nobody really cared if Stacy X/Arclight and Quill/Kid Omega got offed.

I'm not necessarily talking about deaths. Mistique getting cured is another good example.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No. I'm saying those movies are not relevant to what the running time of Wolverine should be.

Wolverine is not the same type of movie. It's a comic book super hero movie. And obviously I think more highly of those than you do since I think they can be A LOT MORE than what your idols at 20th Century Fox make them to be.

Garbage like X-men 3.

Those other movies have absolutely NO bearing on Wolverine, at all. This is a super-hero movie, and one that has to cover a lot of material, so 90 mins is just not going to cut it with me and a lot of others.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think they were both properly developed.

Story A: Jean Grey has gone nuts and people will die unless she does.

Story B: The Mutant Cure is the perfect catalyst for Magneto to declare a full war against the U.S. Government now that he has the means to recruit an army of mutants.



The X-Men films have the "every 3 year" release date schedule that has stood strong for a decade now. The fact that Singer left them out to dry and Vaughn got cold feet didn't justify the film getting pushed back a year. 4 years in between sequels is not good at all, as most general audiences will lose interest.

Superman Returns lost the battle to X3 by $34 Million and killed the Superman franchise upon arrival.

Bryan Singer should buy himself a drink for that



Cyclops' death was part of Phoenix's character development anyway. Who else was she supposed to kill? Some random trucker by Alkali lake after she steps out of the water?
She needed a serious victim to alert the X-Men of her very dangerous nature.

There really aren't any other deaths that anybody can question, I personally feel Psylocke NEVER shoulda been in the film and nobody really cared if Stacy X/Arclight and Quill/Kid Omega got offed.

WHAT? How was is it part of Pheonix's story please? In the comics, cartoon, Scott was what he should have been in this movie, Jean's salvation.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Those other movies have absolutely NO bearing on Wolverine, at all. This is a super-hero movie, and one that has to cover a lot of material, so 90 mins is just not going to cut it with me and a lot of others.

I'm willing to bet you haven't seen a QUARTER of the movies I listed, for had you seen any of them (highly doubt it) you would know this movie feels ten times more like an antihero movie than something that automatically wreaks of "comic book superhero".

WHAT? How was is it part of Pheonix's story please? In the comics, cartoon, Scott was what he should have been in this movie, Jean's salvation.

THIS ISN'T THE COMICS.

Wolverine is a 6'3" clone of Clint Eastwood, NOT a 5'3" Indian American looking wolfman.

Jean Grey was NOT [in any of the films] the piece of porcelain she is in the comics - which was actually the reason Claremont turned her bad in the first place.

Scott was NOT the all important character he was in the comics, because he simply isn't very cool - hence the reason the comic died out before they brought in the new X-Men of which Wolverine quickly rose up the ranks to becoming the coolest of them all - that eventually led to his own comic which has spanned 300 issues over two volumes.

Don't crap on X3 just because it isnt source material accurate.

NONE of the films are source material accurate.

NOT X1, NOT X2, NONE.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm willing to bet you haven't seen a QUARTER of the movies I listed, for had you seen any of them (highly doubt it) you would know this movie feels ten times more like an antihero movie than something that automatically wreaks of "comic book superhero".

I have seen some of them, BUT THEY HAVE NO BEARING WHAT-SO-EVER on this movie. This movie wreaks of comic book superhero whether you want to see it or not. Just look at the action, etc. I dont remember seeing Mad Max flying through the air about 30 foot high into a helicopter.

THIS ISN'T THE COMICS.

Wolverine is a 6'3" clone of Clint Eastwood, NOT a 5'3" Indian American looking wolfman.

Jean Grey was NOT [in any of the films] the piece of porcelain she is in the comics - which was actually the reason Claremont turned her bad in the first place.

Scott was NOT the all important character he was in the comics, because he simply isn't very cool - hence the reason the comic died out before they brought in the new X-Men of which Wolverine quickly rose up the ranks to becoming the coolest of them all - that eventually led to his own comic which has spanned 300 issues over two volumes.

Don't crap on X3 just because it isnt source material accurate.

NONE of the films are source material accurate.

NOT X1, NOT X2, NONE.

I know its not the comics, and that X1 and 2 had changes, but their changes MADE SENSE. X3's one were just done for the **** of it to make Logan the star, which, sorry, but i'm just NOT going to accept. X1 and 2 were GOOD movies also, X3 was trash, sorry if i dont accept any old **** that Fox churns out like you do. I'll crap on X3 for whatever ****ing reason I want thanks.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I know its not the comics, and that X1 and 2 had changes, but their changes MADE SENSE. X3's one were just done for the **** of it to make Logan the star, which, sorry, but i'm just NOT going to accept. X1 and 2 were GOOD movies also, X3 was trash, sorry if i dont accept any old **** that Fox churns out like you do. I'll crap on X3 for whatever ****ing reason I want thanks.

your reasons remain personal and nothing more.

that means you've allowed the source material to be your version of GOD and your agenda against FOX to be a lifeline when you dont know how to support your arguments.

and all that means is that I dont see the point in debating with you if you have ZERO valid points aside of "That's not how it is in the comic" and "FOX sucks because that's the cool thing to say around here."

 

[protocida]

Take it easy, Peter. We're all friends here.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Take it easy, Peter. We're all friends here.

I'm cool

its just a really old argument, and I'm kinda tired of hearing it.

"Its not like that in the comic!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

....

 

[protocida]

Wolverine is a 6'3" clone of Clint Eastwood

No, he isn't.

NOT a 5'3" Indian American looking wolfman.

Which he's not in the Comics.

Jean Grey was NOT [in any of the films] the piece of porcelain she is in the comics - which was actually the reason Claremont turned her bad in the first place.

If you mean she isn't fragile, I agree. Otherwise, I don't.

Scott was NOT the all important character he was in the comics, because he simply isn't very cool - hence the reason the comic died out before they brought in the new X-Men of which Wolverine quickly rose up the ranks to becoming the coolest of them all - that eventually led to his own comic which has spanned 300 issues over two volumes.

Cyclops IS a pivotal character in the Comics, and, when written properly, he can be cool. And the original Comics died out because of a series of factors besides Cyclop's "uncoolness". Same for the sucess of the 2° version of the team.

NONE of the films are source material accurate.

Yes, they are. There are some minor/medium changes, but they're very source material accurate, yes.

 

[chaseter]

You all ruined this thread

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

your reasons remain personal and nothing more.

that means you've allowed the source material to be your version of GOD and your agenda against FOX to be a lifeline when you dont know how to support your arguments.

and all that means is that I dont see the point in debating with you if you have ZERO valid points aside of "That's not how it is in the comic" and "FOX sucks because that's the cool thing to say around here."

How can they be personal when I havce never met anyone involved in making it? Come on. I have an agenda against Fox, like many others do, because they have RUINED so many movies that had the potential to be great with lazy decision making and poor reasons for changing things. Certain things NEED to be changed, I am not a slave to the comics at all, do you hear me moaning about Creed and Logan being brothers? NO, because its a change that makes sense, the changes in X3, DIDNT make sense, not in the slightest.

So if you have a problem with people disagreeing with you and arent able to take it, thats your problem.

 

[Peter McCabe]

How can they be personal when I havce never met anyone involved in making it? Come on. I have an agenda against Fox, like many others do, because they have RUINED so many movies that had the potential to be great with lazy decision making and poor reasons for changing things. Certain things NEED to be changed, I am not a slave to the comics at all, do you hear me moaning about Creed and Logan being brothers? NO, because its a change that makes sense, the changes in X3, DIDNT make sense, not in the slightest.

So if you have a problem with people disagreeing with you and arent able to take it, thats your problem.

Dude, read your own post from 20 minutes ago.

"X3's one were just done for the **** of it to make Logan the star, which, sorry, but i'm just NOT going to accept."

that right there is you saying "I will not like it because its different from the source material."

I gave you a ton of intel on why the changes did make sense, and you responded with "Fox sucks, Cyclops is the leader, blah blah."

I love a legitimate complaint on a film with mixed reviews.

my primary problem with X3 = The need to make pointless supporting roles that shoulda remained pointless, into mutants from the xverse.

 

[chaseter]

X3 didn't get mixed reviews, it got a lot of bad reviews...especially when compared to the first two. But X3 opinion aside, this is the run time thread.

 

[BMM]

Somehow, I think that if some of the people here walked into X-Men Origins: Wolverine believing Sabretooth to have a main role because it’s a Wolverine origin movie, only to find that Sabretooth is obliterated in the first fifteen minutes of the film in order to showcase just how dangerous Wolverine is when he lets the beast inside take over, they would scream bloody murder more than anyone else in this forum.