The Run Time Length Thread

[JP]

I don't understand your run time fear? It's not like the film is 90 minutes. It's not even 100 minutes (which I consider a decent time allotment).

 

[chaseter]

My fear is that in short movie, you have little time to tell a story and allow it to develop good enough and allow the characters in that story to develop. The leak was badly paced and lacked a lot of character development and that made the movie mediocre to me. These movies were once deeper films than just eye candy and cutting edge SFX, that is what Transformers is; a mindless SFX and explosion fest and it does it well. People say that some in here gripe over changes but with all of its changes, X2 was easily the best of this franchise because of the story it told and the depth the characters in it were taken to.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

But it isn't just eye candy. The very opening sequence has some pretty horrific stuff in there, particularly the part in Vietnam. It isn't too cerebral, but it has some thought provoking stuff in there about the fine line between love-hate relationships and what not. Would Logan come to his brothers aid in that bit in Vietnam if he knew what he was about to do? Would Logan end up the same as his brother if he just embraced his animalistic, murderous instincts? See the argument that there is absolutely no thought provoking material in this film just doesn't hold any ground what so ever. It's just sour grapes, people ignoring them parts because they are too busy actually looking for problems, looking for things to slate, instead of just watching the film for what it is. I 100% guarantee A LOT of people are doing that, and it's bollox, sort yourselves out.

The cameo characters got enough development for their cameo roles. I don't particularly give a toss about what Bradley, Blob and Wraith get up to in their past lives or what they are all about. If you use your imagination you can figure all that out for yourself. And anyway, we know why they left Weapon X and how it has effected them, they have all turned to vices in some form or the other. They are there to keep the plot moving along, and they do get sufficient development for their roles.

It's funny, about a week ago people were moaning that these cameo characters were gonna take away from Logan and Creeds stories. Well they haven't. Now you have people moaning that the cameo characters don't get enough development. Sort it out.

 

[dark_b]

Does that run time include credits? If not then that isn't a bad run time, pretty close to 2 hours.

i think runtimes are always with credits.

 

[X-Maniac]

My fear is that in short movie, you have little time to tell a story and allow it to develop good enough and allow the characters in that story to develop. The leak was badly paced and lacked a lot of character development and that made the movie mediocre to me. These movies were once deeper films than just eye candy and cutting edge SFX, that is what Transformers is; a mindless SFX and explosion fest and it does it well. People say that some in here gripe over changes but with all of its changes, X2 was easily the best of this franchise because of the story it told and the depth the characters in it were taken to.

Oh yes, such depth in X2 for the virtually absent Cyclops and mute henchwoman Deathstrike. Not to mention a Mastermind illusionist who in no way resembled the comicbook version.

Your bitter bias towards the Wolverine movie is so palpable you could slice it with a knife and serve it with coffee.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

^

 

[danoyse]

I don't understand your run time fear? It's not like the film is 90 minutes. It's not even 100 minutes (which I consider a decent time allotment).

Welcome to the daily run-time obsession thread.

Honestly, 90 minutes would have been awful. 106, that ain't terrible.

 

[Downhere]

Welcome to the daily run-time obsession thread.

Honestly, 90 minutes would have been awful. 106, that ain't terrible.

What happened to the 10 extra minutes that were supposed to be in the final cut? Judging by the work print, it was extremely choppy and needed some more transitional scenes between certain takes. If that ends up being the final, final version, then good grief.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Some scenes sort of skipped around and jumped for a couple of seconds or two in the workprint. But if you factor all those editing flaws... it probably only adds up to a minute or so. So ALL the scenes are in tact and in place. Nothing will be added unless they replace a scene all together, and there is no flexibility to do that based on the pacing. Rothman flat out LIED to all the fans... again.

 

[danoyse]

What happened to the 10 extra minutes that were supposed to be in the final cut? Judging by the work print, it was extremely choppy and needed some more transitional scenes between certain takes. If that ends up being the final, final version, then good grief.

But we know if that was 10 additional minutes, or scenes were cut and replaced with additional footage? I have no idea.

I never really bought the 'extra 20 minutes' rumor, I just assumed the stuff they did in February hadn't been added into the film yet, or if it was replacing previous footage. But who knows? I haven't seen the workprint, so I really have no idea.

AICN has really been pushing the extra 20-minutes thing, they're going to catch a lot of hell too if that winds up being BS.

I'm just not going to be climbing out on a ledge because the movie is 106 minutes.

 

[Nivek]

It's the new ultimate insult:

"Oh yeah? Well, you work for Fox!"

I was hired as a storyboard artist for Fox in 2001, but they closed the department the day before I was supposed to start. Can I still be a stooge?

 

[danoyse]

I worked for Fox's tv affliate in NY in 1996. It was my first job after college and I left in early 1998. I hated it there. The statute of limitations on me being a Fox stooge ran out years ago.

 

[Rac]

If it is good though, and I further confirm my theories that people here are only bashing it out of spite for FOX and hate for the changes made to Deadpool, then I will review it positively and emphacize most of my love for the film in the characters/story arc that should matter to those watching it.

Right now I smell a huge number of FOX haters using the leak as a tool to say "Look! FOX did it again."

On May 1st, we'll know if my sense of smell was off.

Eh, no. I don't know are there people bashing this (or any other Fox) movie just because it's Fox movie, but I ain't one*. It's no secret that I don't like how they handle their genre films. Majority of them are not good films, I don't understand why people always overlook that. Saying (not you, but you know...) that we bash Fox just because they killed of Cyclops in X3 is ****ing retarted. Maybe 9-year old kids could do so, but not us adults or, eh, "young adults". (Though sometimes people act here like they're still in elementary school...)

I did not like X-Men Origins: Wolverine simply because it's not a good film. I don't like the plot at all. Plus they wronged so many characters (including Logan). Only one I think they managed to pull off was Sabretooth (aside from making him the brother of Logan). The personality was Sabretooth.

But that's about that for now. If Dutch and British classification boards have seen the film already, VET, the Finnish one is soon to follow. I'll the post the runtime then. It won't differ from their 106/107 minutes, but they always include the seconds and the metres of the film.

MPAA should be checking the film soon too, I'd guess.

*I do have a tendency to say "Meh, won't probably be any good" if Fox announces a new genre film, because of their track record. But if the film turns out the be good, I will say it was good. Happened with Jumper. I only watched it because of Jamie Bell, I'm a fan of him. I was expecting the same ol' crap, but it ended being somewhat okay. Not a very good film, but not a complete **** either. Mostly because of Bell's badass character.

 

[Downhere]

But we know if that was 10 additional minutes, or scenes were cut and replaced with additional footage? I have no idea.

I never really bought the 'extra 20 minutes' rumor, I just assumed the stuff they did in February hadn't been added into the film yet, or if it was replacing previous footage. But who knows? I haven't seen the workprint, so I really have no idea.

AICN has really been pushing the extra 20-minutes thing, they're going to catch a lot of hell too if that winds up being BS.

I'm just not going to be climbing out on a ledge because the movie is 106 minutes.

Yeah, I don't know, I was only hoping there was a bit more that needed to be added to the film. I saw the first 15 minutes of the work print and the transitions were horrible. It was all jumbled and moved way too fast. Not sure if that is how it is throughout the movie, but it definitely needs some padding in the first part that I saw. But, I'm going to probably assume that was the final cut that just needed some work done to the FX and all. Meh, it will probably end up being decent like X3, but nothing great...just another Fox blunder really.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

the funny thing is, vile, how you condemn this film for being under 2 hours when it really doesnt need to be longer. the story doesnt warrant an over 2 hour film. just because the comics fill up 100 issues with uncomprehensible garbage doesnt mean the movies have to.

I'm sorry, Nell, but I just dont know how you can say this story doesnt warrant a 2 hour movie. This is 150 years worth of history for TWO characters, spanning 4 wars, a government conspiracy and another man's quest to turn mutants into his own personal weapons. IF anything, 2 hours is barely enough.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm sorry, Nell, but I just dont know how you can say this story doesnt warrant a 2 hour movie. This is 150 years worth of history for TWO characters, spanning 4 wars, a government conspiracy and another man's quest to turn mutants into his own personal weapons. IF anything, 2 hours is barely enough.

Because we don't need to see every detail of the 150 years and 4 wars, that's why it doesn't warrant a long movie.

I mean, a 2 / 2 1/4 hour movie is fine, and I would not be against that, but it doesn't need to be a LONG movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Because we don't need to see every detail of the 150 years and 4 wars, that's why it doesn't warrant a long movie.

I mean, a 2 / 2 1/4 hour movie is fine, and I would not be against that, but it doesn't need to be a LONG movie.

I would say 2 hours at a minimum, and i'm not suggesting we need to see every little detail of those 150 years, but it is a lot of history that needs to be covered, especially throwing in a government conspiracy, a love story, an experiment, how these 2 close brothers grew so far apart, not to mention Logan fighting against what he is. Throw the main antagonist's story, not to mention all of the cameo's, and 90-100 mins doesnt seem nearly enough, IMO at least.

And do you honestly blame people for having an agenda against Fox? If they made their movies with the care and love other studio's mostly give to their comic book property's, there wouldnt be any need for an agenda. There is a reason the likes of WB, Universal, Paramount, etc, DONT have agenda's against them.

 

[Nivek]

I would say 2 hours at a minimum, and i'm not suggesting we need to see every little detail of those 150 years, but it is a lot of history that needs to be covered, especially throwing in a government conspiracy, a love story, an experiment, how these 2 close brothers grew so far apart, not to mention Logan fighting against what he is. Throw the main antagonist's story, not to mention all of the cameo's, and 90-100 mins doesnt seem nearly enough, IMO at least.

I agree with what your saying. It seem's like there is a whole other movie that they skipped over to do this one.

 

[chaseter]

Oh yes, such depth in X2 for the virtually absent Cyclops and mute henchwoman Deathstrike. Not to mention a Mastermind illusionist who in no way resembled the comicbook version.

Your bitter bias towards the Wolverine movie is so palpable you could slice it with a knife and serve it with coffee.

Such depth? What does that make this movie Deathstrike was a tool for a fight...like Deadpool. Cyclops had development in the first film unlike most of the characters in this movie. The mastermind illusionist that in no way resembled the comic version...he is in this movie too!!!

Fans and critics agree that X2 was the best of the series and critics and fans will find this mediocre because of the issues I addressed: pacing and lack of development. It makes no sense to cram in so many characters and purposely make a short movie...it is stupid.

Your unbridled love for Fox and all things with X-Men in the title is sad. If you want to empty your pockets for Fox so that we can keep getting medicore movies then by all means do it.

I was right about the run time after a lot of you were hoping for the opposite. It is a 106 minute movie with credits...congratulations on your success. For that, I do have bias and why should I care otherwise? What makes you think I should be objective when I can sit here and see their track record and make an educated guess as to what will happen down the road?

Do you think Uwe Boll's next film will be a masterpiece? Or, can you look at his track record and make a guess

 

[Sam Fisher]

Oh boo hoo. It's 106 minutes. Fox sucks balls. wa wa. BIG F'ING DEAL.


And why are you comparing this to Uwe Boll's movies? This and those movies aren't even in the same league.

 

[danoyse]

Your unbridled love for Fox and all things with X-Men in the title is sad. If you want to empty your pockets for Fox so that we can keep getting medicore movies then by all means do it.

That's not true. X-Maniac is a fan of the films, but he's often been critical about them and the studio.

You need to stop jumping at everyone who likes these films without resorting to baseless accusations.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Everyone also needs to stop jumping on chase for his. He's judging these films on merit too, so if you're going to defend X-Maniac on one hand, let's also remember people are accusing chase of blind hate, which is false.

 

[Nivek]

And why are you comparing this to Uwe Boll's movies? This and those movies aren't even in the same league.

It's all about opinion... to some, it's that off mark.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Oh boo hoo. It's 106 minutes. Fox sucks balls. wa wa. BIG F'ING DEAL.


And why are you comparing this to Uwe Boll's movies? This and those movies aren't even in the same league.

He didn't say it was Uwe Boll bad. Everyone loves misrepresentation to make their point

What he wasy saying was all major FOX films have similar problems of rushing and cramming, so why would he expect different from this film. He compared this to saying do you think Uwe Boll's next movie will be good. This was not saying they're in the same league. This was a metaphor saying track record shows tendencies that are often predictable.

 

[chaseter]

That's not true. X-Maniac is a fan of the films, but he's often been critical about them and the studio.

You need to stop jumping at everyone who likes these films without resorting to baseless accusations.

Did you not see what he said about my opinion That last bit was a snarky retort at his snarky comment about my opinion. It is my opinion and those that thought this movie was fantastic keep poking at my ribs.

Your bitter bias towards the Wolverine movie is so palpable you could slice it with a knife and serve it with coffee.

Yeah...he is not jumping on anyone here