The Run Time Length Thread

[Rac]

I know it's off topic but I just wanna point this out about X3.

I reckon Scott's death was necessary to the story. Scott appealed to Jean, the Phoenix side of her personality didn't like that. She didn't wanna end up caged in the weaklings mind again. So she killed the man that could possibly bring Jean back.

As for Logan? Well obviously he appealed to the Phoenix side of her personality.

Though in the Singer/Dougherty/Harris version Scott was going to kill Phoenix...

 

[Peter McCabe]

Though in the Singer/Dougherty/Harris version Scott was going to kill Phoenix...

General audiences don't wanna see James Marsden save the day.

Comic book fans maybe, but not general audiences.

*I personally don't see the logic in Scott being left alive or in Scott having the physical ability to kill Jean.

She woulda vaporized him the moment he began to think about killing her.

With Logan there was adamantium, with Scott there would be only bone.

I can already picture the Singer/X2 writing team version of X3:

-Jean kills nobody

-Wolverine is STILL the star

-Scott kills Jean and nobody cares because she never did any harm to anybody

 

[epc11223]

Thanks alot.



So what? How does that change anything about her behavior in the film at all?

It doesn't.

Scott was gonna die one way or another. Jean wasn't gonna allow the man who claimed to love her yet kept her "under control" to live.



No, not at all. She was tired of not being able to touch anyone. She didn't act heroic at all in X2, she just shut down Pyro because he was getting out of hand. That didn't mean she was now suddenly going to embrace the one thing she hated about herself.



Oh brother.

"Second in line."

GET OVER the source material.

X1 and X2 were WOLVERINE movies. Wolverine was the main man, not Scott.

Scott was only there to get mocked by Wolverine. That's the Bryan Singer way of handling Cyclops.



OMG.

Wishfult thinking is not a fact in the books

X3 made more money.

That's a fact.

scott played a pretty big role in x1, especially in the end. him and wolverine used teamwork to stop magneto. cyclops also saved wolverine in the beginning of the movie. so i would argue the point that it was a wolverine movie. wolverine played a big part in the first one, but i would also say that bryan singer did a good job portraying cyclops. the second movie, i would say was a wolverine movie. especially since they delved more into his backstory.

but to bold out the fact that x3 made more money, again, i would beg to differ. the consensus from critics and fans alike find that x3 was the worst one of the three. we can only speculate that the third one made so much money because people liked the first two so much. more specifically the second one. if you liked the third one, that is fine, but the majority of people did not care for the third one.

The first two movies set up for a phoenix movie that was closer to the comics. Even at the end of the second one you see a faint phoenix bird which we never once saw in the third movie. Jean went all veiny when she was phoenix instead of a fiery bird. You could say that even the opening was completely different from the first two movies. In the beginning you had charles with a monologue, whereas the third movie had an actual scene. So to say that the third movie flowed with the first two, i would totally disagree with you. Again, your entitled to your opinion, but I, along with most others would disagree with you. Even with your point about Rogue not being more accepting of her powers. AT the end of hte second one, she is fully with the rest of the xmen and she has on her suit on. She was officially a member of the x team. She is also the one that flew the plane to save the xmen from the damn breaking.

Sorry for the long post, but i just cant really believe anyone at this point in time is still defending x3. If you enjoyed it, great, but i dont think many people would agree with you on this.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

General audiences don't wanna see James Marsden save the day.

Comic book fans maybe, but not general audiences.

*I personally don't see the logic in Scott being left alive or in Scott having the physical ability to kill Jean.

She woulda vaporized him the moment he began to think about killing her.

With Logan there was adamantium, with Scott there would be only bone.

I can already picture the Singer/X2 writing team version of X3:

-Jean kills nobody

-Wolverine is STILL the star

-Scott kills Jean and nobody cares because she never did any harm to anybody

How exactly do you know what the GA want to see Peter? The success of TDK proved to me that they want to see GOOD movies, its doesnt matter who does what in them as long as they are good. Jean was going to go dark in Singer's version, and Scott wouldnt have killed Jean, what the ending was going to be was Jean controlling Scott's powers to kill herself. This would have been a thousand times more emotional than Wolverine suddenly healing 100 times faster than he ever has in the previous movies.

scott played a pretty big role in x1, especially in the end. him and wolverine used teamwork to stop magneto. cyclops also saved wolverine in the beginning of the movie. so i would argue the point that it was a wolverine movie. wolverine played a big part in the first one, but i would also say that bryan singer did a good job portraying cyclops. the second movie, i would say was a wolverine movie. especially since they delved more into his backstory.

but to bold out the fact that x3 made more money, again, i would beg to differ. the consensus from critics and fans alike find that x3 was the worst one of the three. we can only speculate that the third one made so much money because people liked the first two so much. more specifically the second one. if you liked the third one, that is fine, but the majority of people did not care for the third one.

The first two movies set up for a phoenix movie that was closer to the comics. Even at the end of the second one you see a faint phoenix bird which we never once saw in the third movie. Jean went all veiny when she was phoenix instead of a fiery bird. You could say that even the opening was completely different from the first two movies. In the beginning you had charles with a monologue, whereas the third movie had an actual scene. So to say that the third movie flowed with the first two, i would totally disagree with you. Again, your entitled to your opinion, but I, along with most others would disagree with you. Even with your point about Rogue not being more accepting of her powers. AT the end of hte second one, she is fully with the rest of the xmen and she has on her suit on. She was officially a member of the x team. She is also the one that flew the plane to save the xmen from the damn breaking.

Sorry for the long post, but i just cant really believe anyone at this point in time is still defending x3. If you enjoyed it, great, but i dont think many people would agree with you on this.

Exactly, X3 made money because the 1st 2 were so highly regarded, even then, the movie didnt make much over its budget domestically.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

scott played a pretty big role in x1, especially in the end. him and wolverine used teamwork to stop magneto. cyclops also saved wolverine in the beginning of the movie. so i would argue the point that it was a wolverine movie. wolverine played a big part in the first one, but i would also say that bryan singer did a good job portraying cyclops. the second movie, i would say was a wolverine movie. especially since they delved more into his backstory.

but to bold out the fact that x3 made more money, again, i would beg to differ. the consensus from critics and fans alike find that x3 was the worst one of the three. we can only speculate that the third one made so much money because people liked the first two so much. more specifically the second one. if you liked the third one, that is fine, but the majority of people did not care for the third one.

The first two movies set up for a phoenix movie that was closer to the comics. Even at the end of the second one you see a faint phoenix bird which we never once saw in the third movie. Jean went all veiny when she was phoenix instead of a fiery bird. You could say that even the opening was completely different from the first two movies. In the beginning you had charles with a monologue, whereas the third movie had an actual scene. So to say that the third movie flowed with the first two, i would totally disagree with you. Again, your entitled to your opinion, but I, along with most others would disagree with you. Even with your point about Rogue not being more accepting of her powers. AT the end of hte second one, she is fully with the rest of the xmen and she has on her suit on. She was officially a member of the x team. She is also the one that flew the plane to save the xmen from the damn breaking.

Sorry for the long post, but i just cant really believe anyone at this point in time is still defending x3. If you enjoyed it, great, but i dont think many people would agree with you on this.

and add to that the fact X3 had a huge opening weekend, and then fell miserably.

The main consensus is that X3 is easily the worst of the trilogy.

And I entirely agree with the Rogue point. She had fully accepted herself by the end of X2. And then X3 comes and destroys the character completely. Any development she had in 2 films is gone in 2 or 3 lame scenes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

and add to that the fact X3 had a huge opening weekend, and then fell miserably.

The main consensus is that X3 is easily the worst of the trilogy.

And I entirely agree with the Rogue point. She had fully accepted herself by the end of X2. And then X3 comes and destroys the character completely. Any development she had in 2 films is gone in 2 or 3 lame scenes.

Agreed, sums up my feelings perfectly, sounds like it has a new rival in Wolverine though.

 

[Downhere]

and add to that the fact X3 had a huge opening weekend, and then fell miserably.

The main consensus is that X3 is easily the worst of the trilogy.

And I entirely agree with the Rogue point. She had fully accepted herself by the end of X2. And then X3 comes and destroys the character completely. Any development she had in 2 films is gone in 2 or 3 lame scenes.

Take it in context now. The X-Men franchise has always been frontloaded, so this is nothing new. Also take into consideration that it did make more money than the previous installments both domestically and internationally and DVD sales exceeded 6 million units. So, while most here would put it last among the trilogy, the general public did find some enjoyment out of it.

 

[danoyse]

For the umpteenth time, this is not the X3 thread. Take the discussion to the X-Men trilogy forum if you want to continue it there.

Let's get back on topic, or I'm closing this thread.

 

[TNC9852002]

Don't use one day's worth of OT to close up 62 pages of win.

-TNC

 

[Sam Fisher]

Don't use one day's worth of OT to close up 62 pages of win.

-TNC

62 pages pages of win? hahahaha. And he has given warnings many times already so if you want this thread to stay open, I suggest you don't push him.

 

[chaseter]

Who is him?

 

[danoyse]

62 pages pages of win? hahahaha. And he has given warnings many times already so if you want this thread to stay open, I suggest you don't push him.

You mean her.

 

[TheVileOne]

James Marsden's success outside of X-men = audiences would like to see more of him.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

James Marsden's success outside of X-men = audiences would like to see more of him.

I think people just want to see a good story, no one in TDK was an outright star, yet it blew the box-office away. The ending Singer had in mind was 1000 times more emotional just reading it than what I saw at the end of X3.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I agree that the general audiences wouldn't care about who saves the day as long as the story is good.

Wolverine didn't really save the day in X2 all by himself, yet I didn't see anyone in the general audience whine about the fact it was Storm and Nightcrawler that rescued the Professor or that it was Jean that helped the team escape or whatever.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Double Post.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think people just want to see a good story, no one in TDK was an outright star, yet it blew the box-office away. The ending Singer had in mind was 1000 times more emotional just reading it than what I saw at the end of X3.

Good points.

But I mean, women like James Marsden. He's become quite the star coming out of X-men. His movies generally have a better sucess ratio than Hugh Jackman's.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Good points.

But I mean, women like James Marsden. He's become quite the star coming out of X-men. His movies generally have a better sucess ratio than Hugh Jackman's.

Marsden is never the headliner, either, so it's hard to call them "his" movies.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Marsden is never the headliner, either, so it's hard to call them "his" movies.

Its amazing to hear people actually say that "Marsden's movies" are in any way superior to Jackman's

If only ANYBODY knew who James Marsden is.

 

[Sam Fisher]

You mean her.

I knew I'd get that wrong

 

[danoyse]

Its amazing to hear people actually say that "Marsden's movies" are in any way superior to Jackman's

If only ANYBODY knew who James Marsden is.

Pete, I'm a huge Hugh Jackman fan and James Marsden is incredibly popular and has tons of fans too - he's definitely had much more box office success in films past X-Men and has even more with musical films (Hairspray, Enchanted).

And he deserves it, he's wonderfully talented and certainly just as good looking.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think people just want to see a good story, no one in TDK was an outright star, yet it blew the box-office away. The ending Singer had in mind was 1000 times more emotional just reading it than what I saw at the end of X3.

Apart from a certain maniacal clown...

 

[X-Maniac]

Pete, I'm a huge Hugh Jackman fan and James Marsden is incredibly popular and has tons of fans too - he's definitely had much more box office success in films past X-Men and has even more with musical films (Hairspray, Enchanted).

And he deserves it, he's wonderfully talented and certainly just as good looking.

Yes, James Marsden is great... though he doesn't quite have the screen presence of Hugh Jackman.

He's done okay outside the X-Men franchise. I'm sure he got tired of playing second fiddle to Jackman's Wolverine.... except he then went into a movie (Superman) where he was second fiddle to Superman.

 

[danoyse]

Not to mention playing the eternally dumped boyfriend - Enchanted, The Notebook, X-Men, even Superman Returns to an extent.

I think 27 Dresses was the first time he ended up with the girl at the end.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Apart from a certain maniacal clown...