The Run Time Length Thread

[Peter McCabe]

Well with the books they gave Wolverine more titles to appear in to compensate for the fan demand. He didn't become the main character of the X-Books like in the movies.

You just contradicted yourself.

Wolverine got his own series because comic book readers couldn't [and still can't] get enough of him.

It wasn't "compensation". Compensantion implies Marvel was trying to shut the fans up by giving them more Wolverine. Marvel wanted those fans demanding more Wolverine.

*Claremont actually made Wolverine the main character in 70% of the story arcs he wrote, and that's about 15 years worth of writing. So technically that's longer than when the X-Men were on their own (10 years). And to further consolidate Wolverine's leading role in the X-MEN comics, all the writers of the 90s that came after Claremont STILL kept him front and center most of the time.

In that respect I agree that a solo series for Wolverine would work well for the X-Men franchise as it gives Wolverine the exposure fans enjoy while letting the rest of the team get some screentime.

The question is - do general audiences want an X-Men movie without Wolverine? Or better yet, without Hugh Jackman?

Probably not.

 

[sniktsnakt]

That's right. Marvel's catering to what sells. Right now, Wolverine's selling, no matter how much some people complain about over-exposure.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well with the books they gave Wolverine more titles to appear in to compensate for the fan demand. He didn't become the main character of the X-Books like in the movies.

In that respect I agree that a solo series for Wolverine would work well for the X-Men franchise as it gives Wolverine the exposure fans enjoy while letting the rest of the team get some screentime.

That's why I'd like a First Class series of prequels. Fox can get their Wolverine fix with his movies, and the other X-Men characters can get their shine on without him hogging all the spotlight.

I don't feel that X-Men 1, 2, or 3 were Wolverine like a lot of people do. He was a major factor, of course, but I think they are just as much about Xavier and Magneto, and Jean Grey, as they are Wolverine.

BUT, with X-Men beginning with Wolverine's introduction to the team, and now Wolverine's solo movie, the X-Men series is becoming Wolverine's adventures.

BUT, I have read MANY a comics where Wolverine sticks his nose in where it really doesn't belong. Then, on top of the fact that like you said, Wolverine is in just about every dang Marvel or X-Title there is, THAT is where Wolverine's over exposure comes from, and why Wolverine was so big in the movies.

 

[chaseter]

Get outta here all of you...this is like a locust plague that moves from thread to thread taking it severely off topic and then it gets closed

Run time talk only! I do think comparing run times to the previous films could be deemed on topic.

 

[BMM]

Well with the books they gave Wolverine more titles to appear in to compensate for the fan demand. He didn't become the main character of the X-Books like in the movies.

I agree. Looking through the team titles, he's not the focus like in the movies.

 

[sniktsnakt]

. . . I was wondering why so many threads were being closed.

So . . . do we have an official running time yet?

 

[BMM]

...about the same times as the workprint. Perhaps a minute or so longer.

 

[Deaths Head II]

*Claremont actually made Wolverine the main character in 70% of the story arcs he wrote, and that's about 15 years worth of writing. So technically that's longer than when the X-Men were on their own (10 years). And to further consolidate Wolverine's leading role in the X-MEN comics, all the writers of the 90s that came after Claremont STILL kept him front and center most of the time.

I disagree with this point. Storm was always more of a main character in Claremont's X-Books. In the beginning of Claremont's run the main characters were basically Scott and Jean and after they retired/got killed the main characters became Storm and Wolverine. And Storm was always more of a main then Logan (not counting his solo stories obviously). At least in my opinion.

And Marvel wasn't trying to shut the fans up, but the reason why they spread him out so much was because fans wanted more but they couldn't have him take over the X-Books.

The question is - do general audiences want an X-Men movie without Wolverine? Or better yet, without Hugh Jackman?

Probably not.

I'm pretty sure the general audience doesn't care that much unless there are explosions. Considering the type of films that usually do well in the box office, I doubt they are that picky.

 

[sniktsnakt]

...about the same times as the workprint. Perhaps a minute or so longer.

So much for the 14 extra minutes. :

Man, I've gotta catch up. I haven't been around here much since the leak.

 

[BMM]

They could have cut stuff out and replaced it with the additional footage. Although, from what I've heard, I don't know how removing footage from the movie would help much.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I disagree with this point. Storm was always more of a main character in Claremont's X-Books. In the beginning of Claremont's run the main characters were basically Scott and Jean and after they retired/got killed the main characters became Storm and Wolverine. And Storm was always more of a main then Logan (not counting his solo stories obviously). At least in my opinion.

Dissagree or not, I've read probably around 75% of Claremont's run on X-Men and you can just see him slowly handing the series over to Wolverine. I think by the time The Mutant Massacre came around, Wolverine was pretty much the dominant mutant in the book - but he was already eclipsing the older team members.

I'm pretty sure the general audience doesn't care that much unless there are explosions. Considering the type of films that usually do well in the box office, I doubt they are that picky.

This is completely false.

General audiences may be an easy sell most of the time, but they have certain standards.

*Punisher Warzone's biggest publicity curse was trying to sell a new face as Frank Castle. If Thomas Jane was still playing Castle (but thank God he said "no") in that crapola of a movie - it woulda gone past $40 Million last Christmas despite how horrendous it was.

Jackman is the face of the franchise. To do a film without him is a hell of a risk - which is why I expect to see him in a cameo role in X-Men: First Class.

People will go just to see Wolverine for a few minutes - and you can bet his cameo will be the main focus of trailers and TV Spots for that movie t:

 

[Deaths Head II]

This is completely false.

General audiences may be an easy sell most of the time, but they have certain standards.

*Punisher Warzone's biggest publicity curse was trying to sell a new face as Frank Castle. If Thomas Jane was still playing Castle (but thank God he said "no") in that crapola of a movie - it woulda gone past $40 Million last Christmas despite how horrendous it was.

Jackman is the face of the franchise. To do a film without him is a hell of a risk - which is why I expect to see him in a cameo role in X-Men: First Class.

People will go just to see Wolverine for a few minutes - and you can bet his cameo will be the main focus of trailers and TV Spots for that movie t:

Most of the people I know like the X-Men because they love the concept of mutants being persecuted and yadda yadda yadda, they love seeing all the cool powers, etc. I am pretty sure these people would be interested in an X-Film even if Wolverine was absent. I'm also sure Wolverine isn't the only character that developed a fanbase in the general audience because of the X-Trilogy.

Hugh is a moneymaker, but X-Men is a strong enough brand. The X-Trilogy has spread the name enough around that it can grab the interests of enough people without Wolverine. You can argue that this film won't make as much as the other films without Wolverine, but I don't see how you can say the audience will completely shun it.

Also, if X-Men: First Class will look like a good film, it will attract people anyway. Everyone was whining Terminator Salvation would tank without Arnold, but now a lot of people are eagerly awaiting that movie simply because it actually looks like it's going to be good.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Also, if X-Men: First Class will look like a good film, it will attract people anyway. Everyone was whining Terminator Salvation would tank without Arnold, but now a lot of people are eagerly awaiting that movie simply because it actually looks like it's going to be good.

Awesome point

*I was actually one of those people, until I heard Bale say "Devil's hands been busy."

 

[chaseter]

T3 was a down grade in quality so I don't think many people were whining about change

 

[chaseter]

The arclight, the prestigious cinema some people were touting has a runtime listed of 107 minutes and so do many many sources. So the movie is 107 minutes and the leak was 106 something so it looks like we aren't getting 10, 14, or 20 extra minutes. This deserves a big The movie is a 90 something minute flick

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The arclight, the prestigious cinema some people were touting has a runtime listed of 107 minutes and so do many many sources. So the movie is 107 minutes and the leak was 106 something so it looks like we aren't getting 10, 14, or 20 extra minutes. This deserves a big The movie is a 90 something minute flick

Probably close to 100 minutes, but damn, that's kinda weak.

The leak is actually 106m 50s to be exact, meaning they just approximated to 107 minutes.

Meaning the 14 minutes is indeed false, the workprint is the real deal (I don't have too big a problem with that, really), Fox lied, and a lot of cool scenes and lines from the trailers and TV spots aren't in the final version.

 

[chaseter]

So we know nothing is going to be added from the leak plot wise and character wise. Some people still believe we may get alternate takes but I just can't believe that. This just makes me sad. The pacing and character development will more than likely not be fixed and those were my biggest complaints

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So we know nothing is going to be added from the leak plot wise and character wise. Some people still believe we may get alternate takes but I just can't believe that. This just makes me sad. The pacing and character development will more than likely not be fixed and those were my biggest complaints

I'm still okay with the movie as it is, as I've stated from the beginning, but I am disappointed that Fox would so blatantly lie.

 

[chaseter]

Well I do look forward to X1 and X2 on bluray...

 

[sniktsnakt]

Well, it's still possible that they cut some stuff out and put in new stuff.

I'm staying hopeful.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well, it's still possible that they cut some stuff out and put in new stuff.

I'm staying hopeful.

I just don't know what the movie can afford to get rid of from the actual version.

 

[Peter McCabe]

So we know nothing is going to be added from the leak plot wise and character wise. Some people still believe we may get alternate takes but I just can't believe that. This just makes me sad. The pacing and character development will more than likely not be fixed and those were my biggest complaints

Yes, we should all start crying.

We should all just light candles and wear black for a month.



In 2 weeks, we'll know what's the real deal.

The leaked workprint is 4-months-old.

There's alot that could have been done in 4 months, and I'm starting to believe that those scenes shot in January (after the workprint was made) were made to replace some of the scenes in the workprint.

We'll see.

 

[chaseter]

Well, it's still possible that they cut some stuff out and put in new stuff.

I'm staying hopeful.

That is a possibility but I highly doubt it Even if they did put in alternate takes, it will not change the movie at all. But, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

 

[chaseter]

Yes, we should all start crying.

We should all just light candles and wear black for a month.



In 2 weeks, we'll know what's the real deal.

The leaked workprint is 4-months-old.

There's alot that could have been done in 4 months, and I'm starting to believe that those scenes shot in January (after the workprint was made) were made to replace some of the scenes in the workprint.

We'll see.

Does making snide comments like that justify your opinion more so to yourself

 

[sniktsnakt]

That is a possibility but I highly doubt it Even if they did put in alternate takes, it will not change the movie at all. But, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

That's what I figure. To the people who know that I'm a big fan and counting down, I've been warning them that it sounds like it'll be mediocre quality when it's done, and probably infuriatingly frustrating for a purist like me. But I can still hope, and do my best to enjoy it one way or the other.