The Run Time Length Thread

[EnDz0n3]

you must not read reviews. alotta critics crapped on singer's movies just because they were comic book movies. they talk about them like they're kids movies that are not supposed to explore serious themes. I hate that.

I don't remember a single review of either X-men or X2 (or even X-men 3), positive or negative, where the reviewer belittled the movies just because they were based off comic books.

I really hate this new status that fans are crowning TDK, where supposedly everyone will now take the source material seriously, and that movies based off of them will NOW be profitable. I'm sorry but movies like Blade, X-men and the Spidey films have already done that, with Superman The Movie and Batman '89 doing it before that!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^X-Men, 80% fresh, X2, 88% percent fresh, X3, 56% Rotten, A LOT more critics trashed on X3 than the first 2 movies, and not because it was a CB movie, but because it was complete and utter ****e. This ****e was made by both the film-makers and the studio. Throw in plenty of movies and the fact that at least 4 directors have said they wont work with again in this decade says something.

I'm sorry but I dont hear stuff like this coming from other studio's.

 

[chaseter]

Lets get back on topic...the ones who derailed it can go take their discussion else where and I agree with you AVE

Anyways...I still say this movie will be near 2 hours but with the previous track record of the studio and the man that heads it, it wouldn't surprise me if it was under two hours. I don't think we will ever get a nearly 2:30-2:45ish epic X-Men movie and it makes me sad

 

[EnDz0n3]

EDIT: EnDz0n3 just posted a good link about this here:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=301958&page=128

Info is slowly trickling in regarding the pick up shoot for Wolverine:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Director Gavin Hood's Australia-lensed, 20th Century Fox feature X-Men Origins: Wolverine will be shooting pick-up scenes in Vancouver, January 12-24, in conjunction with TCF Vancouver Productions Ltd.

Producers of the X-Men spin-off film are Lauren Shuler Donner, John Palermo, Ralph Winter and star Hugh Jackman.

Local crew include line producer Ross Fanger, DP Don McAlpine and production manager Stewart Bethune. [/FONT]

hollywoodnorthreport.com

 

[TNC9852002]

Anyways...I still say this movie will be near 2 hours but with the previous track record of the studio and the man that heads it, it wouldn't surprise me if it was under two hours. I don't think we will ever get a nearly 2:30-2:45ish epic X-Men movie and it makes me sad

There's more than just one man behind FOX.

You do realize this? But of course it's easier to blame one than to blame a dozen.

and I love X-Men just as much as the next person, but I think a 160 minute Wolverine movie is a little too much to digest, IMO...and I think I've already mentioned how a movie's running time always first sits in the hands of its writers and directors.

Personally, I'd be very content with a 130 minute movie, but I'm expecting something around 110, which is perfectly fine too, most especially if a sequel is expected.

-TNC

 

[terry78]

Well, we know a good chunk of this is going to be his origin from childhood on up, the question is how is it going to be framed...will this movie be done in flashback or real time? Are those scenes where he's growing up as James Howlett in Canada be just glimpses, or will this be how the movie starts?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Lets get back on topic...the ones who derailed it can go take their discussion else where and I agree with you AVE

Anyways...I still say this movie will be near 2 hours but with the previous track record of the studio and the man that heads it, it wouldn't surprise me if it was under two hours. I don't think we will ever get a nearly 2:30-2:45ish epic X-Men movie and it makes me sad

Luckily, a Wolverine movie doesnt need to be as long as an X-Men movie IMO, so if this movie is 110 mins or so, I dont think it will effect it too much, hopefully.

 

[BMM]

As of now, way under two hours.

 

[Downhere]

Luckily, a Wolverine movie doesnt need to be as long as an X-Men movie IMO, so if this movie is 110 mins or so, I dont think it will effect it too much, hopefully.

Personally, a Wolverine movie can definitely be as long as an X-Men movie (moreso X2 as the others were quite short).

But like was stated above, Donner has stated the movie is "well under 2 hours." So, 110 minutes looks to be out of the question. I think we are looking at 90-100 minutes with credits (a guestimate of course).

 

[The Original Bamfer]

As of now, way under two hours.

I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that. Well, actually I could.

 

[Andreth]

I just heard the interview where Lauren Shuler Donner says it's "way under two hours" and I'm very, very disappointed and angry!

Electrix posted this link on the Storm's thread.

http://www.widescreen-vision.de/aid..._ORIGINS-_WOLVERINE_-_Storm_not_in_the_movie/

 

[BMM]

I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that. Well, actually I could.

Yeah, that was disconcerting. That and the fact she said there aren't many extra scenes leftover to include in the DVD.

 

[sniktsnakt]

As of now, way under two hours.

There are no words. I am plunged into the depths of rage and despair.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Yeah, that was disconcerting. That and the fact that she said there aren't many extra scenes leftover to include in the DVD.

They said the same exact thing about X-Men: The Last Stand... and then we got a DVD with a bunch of deleted scenes.

 

[Downhere]

They said the same exact thing about X-Men: The Last Stand... and then we got a DVD with a bunch of deleted scenes.

Weren't the scenes more of an extended scene than actual scene. I only remember one or two that weren't in the movie? But it has been a while since I watched that section of the DVD.

 

[BMM]

They said the same exact thing about X-Men: The Last Stand... and then we got a DVD with a bunch of deleted scenes.

Haha. True.

Weren't the scenes more of an extended scene than actual scene. I only remember one or two that weren't in the movie? But it has been a while since I watched that section of the DVD.

A lot of them were extended scenes or alternate versions of scenes already included in the movie.

 

[Rac]

How did X2 get over 2 hours and not X3?

X2 is somewhat a mystery. It slipped the Fox radar pretty well. Though they did get budget cuts and thus they had to cut out Danger Room, Sentinels and some little scenes from the end.

And besides Hugh, shouldn't an Academy award winning director have any say in running time also?

Lol not under big studio. (See, I didn't say Fox, because all the other studios do it/have done it too. But for the last 5 or so years it's been mainly Fox.)

Kinberg, Penn, and even Ratner have apologized for the way the movie was treated and what was delivered to us.

What when? I've missed this. I remember Ratner ACCEPTING an "apology" from the "fans" after X3's opening weekend...

Oh yeah, and about the Wolverine's running time. Movies don't need to a have a certain running time to be good or bad. But we all know what's the case here again. Shorter running time = more screenings = more money. I really wanted to believe that Wolverine would redeem Fox, but stars are not on their side. Still, tiny little part of me hopes for a good movie...

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Weren't the scenes more of an extended scene than actual scene. I only remember one or two that weren't in the movie? But it has been a while since I watched that section of the DVD.

I'll list a few that I can think of off the top of my head.

Xavier's opening monologue.*
Opening scene of Leech at Worthington Labs.
Pyro informs Magneto of the cure.
Storm and Wolverine defeat Juggernaut at Jean's house.*
Beast warns Trask of Magneto's plan.
The manufacturing of the plastic weapons.
Crucial transition scene where Jean senses the emotions of a girl on the bridge.
Storm's tidal wave.*
Iceman and Colossus defeat Phat.
More slow-motion Dark Phoenix destruction.*

*These are extended scenes, but can, in my opinion, also be considered deleted scenes.

 

[Downhere]

^ Oh yeah, now I remember some of those. They should have just added them in or at least let you choose the option to have them inserted in with an extended cut.

 

[YJ1]

I just heard the interview where Lauren Shuler Donner says it's "way under two hours" and I'm very, very disappointed and angry!

Electrix posted this link on the Storm's thread.

http://www.widescreen-vision.de/aid..._ORIGINS-_WOLVERINE_-_Storm_not_in_the_movie/

For me, this is the first bad news that I've heard or read. Hearing the words "way under two hours" was like taking a punch to the gut. Didn't Iron Man or TDK teach these people anything?

I'll list a few that I can think of off the top of my head.

Storm and Wolverine defeat Juggernaut at Jean's house.*
Beast warns Trask of Magneto's plan.
The manufacturing of the plastic weapons.
Crucial transition scene where Jean senses the emotions of a girl on the bridge.
Iceman and Colossus defeat Phat.

Why these where cut still baffles me. A lot of these scenes would have added more texture to the story. Plus, replacing Logan's warning speech with his "win one for the Gipper" speech was a bad call.

 

[zanos]

Totally biased and BS comments notwithstanding, I'll assume that the movie will be around 110 minutes.

Ok, I'll just say this, X3's running time, from what I've seen, had very little to do with any particular person from FOX studios. The deleted scenes from X3 was nearly 20 minutes long and we know now that the reasons why they were deleted were entirely up to the director and writers. So, from reasoning, a shorter movie was purely under their control, and not particularly the studio. We also already knew that Brett Ratner publically has gone out many times stating that he has ADD and really has problems with longer movies. So, there's where the blame should go to.

It's strange...I didn't hear anyone complaining to FOX for X2's 130 minute running time and bringing up the "shorter time for more showings" logic. As if they were a different studio 5 years ago.

I've work at a movie theater for quite a time and let me assure you, there is no narrow window determining the number of showtimes a movie can have, due to open/close standards across any particular movie theater. So, 15-20 additional minutes of film typically makes no difference in how many showtimes a theater can fit in. I'd say, around the 2 hour 15 minute mark is where it starts to become very difficult for theaters to accommodate maximum showings. Movies near or below the 1 hour 30 minute mark are usually the only movies that could fit in one more show, but these are usually G or PG movies since they typically have shorter preshow advertisements and trailers.

Another very important factor in what determines a number of showtimes is the number of prints a theater receives, which also has NOTHING to do with the running length of the movie, but actually is generated by tracking numbers. Movies like TDK, that were tracking exceptionally well, may send a theater up to six prints of the movie, whereas a low tracking movie like Not Easily Broken will only send a theater one or two (depending on the region/demographic) or maybe none at all.

-TNC

It seems like you just made the point for chaseter. One extra viewing per day per theater adds up. It would make sense to keep Wolverine to 90 minutes or under so the studio can maximize profits.

 

[Figs]

For me, this is the first bad news that I've heard or read. Hearing the words "way under two hours" was like taking a punch to the gut. Didn't Iron Man or TDK teach these people anything?

This is Fox and Rothman we're talking about. Also while I'm at it, after looking at all of Laura Schuler Donner's projects...she can suck it too.

Why are they so against having a movie that is at the very least an hour and 45 minutes. When she said the film is well under two hours that screams to me 90 minutes just like X-3. Yes, in some cases a whole 15 minute difference can really add to a film.

My expectations just dropped bigtime. As far as summer films or comic films for that matter this is my list of most anticipated

1. Watchmen
2. Terminator Salvation
3. Transformers 2
4. Wolverine

Wolverine used to be second on that list. The more stuff they released and talked about for Terminator got me more excited for that then Wolverine which dropped it down to the 3rd spot. Now, it's definitely at the bottom.

 

[JackMercy]

With Fox?

You'll be lucky if you get an hour and forty-five...

Don't forget how you guys were seriously let down in so many ways by X-Men 3...and virtually every other Fox genre product of the last few years...

What did I tell you guys on the first page of this thread...?

Why anyone holds hope for any current-regime Fox product is beyond me...

True that a film's running time does not determine its quality...but with Fox, by now, most of you should know that it's a no-brainer...

 

[Downhere]

I know how you feel Figs. I was mildly optimistic about Wolverine, but as much as I love the character and the X-Men universe, other films are definitely higher on my must see list. Terminator, Transformers, Potter, Watchmen, Up, and then Wolverine make the list. I was hoping for that to change but the whole runtime issue is usually a sign of bad things for a film like this.

 

[sniktsnakt]

<continues with doomsday howls>

It's taken me months of promos, trailers, etc. to get me out of the cynical doubting mode that this movie is going to fail. An hour and a half? I was wondering how they were going to fit it in 2 hours.

Seriously, this bombs.

Isn't there a thread somewhere around here where the hosts of discontented fans gather around a virtual fire and chant, "reboot to Marvel"?

<goes in search of it>