The Run Time Length Thread

[chaseter]

But this isn't ONLY about Wolverine. When you toss in supporting characters and tons of cameos...something has to suffer in a short movie. Especially when a good chunk of the time is spent fighting and exploding things.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I understand that. I don't like pointless cameos. If I was in charge of this film the only other characters involved would be the ones with links to Weapon X.

But the way this adaptation seems, Weapon X/Stryker hunting down mutants to create the ultimate, obediant mutant, all these other cameos could make sense in context with the story. And it could be pretty cool. See, the way I look at it, this film is all about Weapon X really, and what they do, what they are about. It just so happens that Wolverine is the main experiment and most recognizable character from Weapon X.

People have gotta remember it isn't a straight from the comics film. It has parts of the comics mish mashed into a whole new universe. It isn't the 616, it isn't the ultimate universe. It's the movie universe

And anyway, as I said, this movie is probably not going to be the only movie based on Wolverines history/origin. Maybe they make 2 or 3 films about him, and when they are all finished we look at them as one film?

 

[icelemt38]

Well IMDB's runtime for the movie is back to 120 minutes, lol. Just proves how unreliable IMDB is.

 

[chaseter]

Aunt Carnage for SM3!!!

 

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, we need SOOO much extra time to fit in all of those cameos...

All 3 of them.

-TNC

 

[zeptron]

Well IMDB's runtime for the movie is back to 120 minutes, lol. Just proves how unreliable IMDB is.

Yeah I don't think we will truly know the runtime until it comes out in cinemas because of the reshoots and who knows what's going on at the moment. Are they still in the editing room?

 

[TheVileOne]

People call TDK too long when the movie makes over $530 million US, over $1 billion worldwide, and is the first comic book movie ever to win an award for an acting performance.

People call ROTK too long when it made over $375 million and won 11 Academy Awards, it won every award it was nominated for. It's the most winning Oscar movie of all time.

Fox does butcher and undercut the comic book movies. This is a fact. X-men, X-men 3, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four 2, Daredevil, all of them. The only time so far it was different was for X-men 2 because Singer wanted a longer movie and he knew the fans wanted a longer movie as well.

What are the biggest success stories? Umm: Spider-man 2, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, X-men 2, Spider-man, and Iron Man. All over two hours long.

Not every movie has to be a two and a half hour epic like The Dark Knight or Watchmen or whatever. But gives these movies the time and respect they deserve.

This is a movie that aims to incorporate so many different and vast parts of Wolverine's history you can't ****ing cover it in 90 minutes.

 

[TheVileOne]

edit, dp.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

If Dark Knight ended with Harvey in the hospital and Joker escaping, I would have been extremely annoyed. That would have been half a movie. The entire story comes together in the final act. It is nothing without it.

What are the biggest success stories? Umm: Spider-man 2, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, X-men 2, Spider-man, and Iron Man. All over two hours long.

I would add Superman: The Movie (143 minutes) and Batman (126 minutes) to that list.

Sony has a very modest ratio(42.8%). That isn't good but, it's not bad considering the source material for most of their comics. Sony at least understood that their prized franchise(Spider-man) shouldn't be rushed.

Sony gets it right more often then you give them credit for. That number is skewed because of the Men in Black films, which are an example of films that shouldn't be 2 hours long. As primarily comedies, it becomes difficult to keep the audience's attention for that length of time. It worked for the first film. The second sucked in spite of it.

So FOX is even worse in comparison to the other studios than they initially appear.

 

[TheVileOne]

We aren't talking about stuff like MIB.

All the Spider-man films were over two hours long.

The new Batman movies were well over two hours.

Watchmen was over 2 and a half hours.

Iron Man was over two hours.

Also, Jon Favreau talked about Iron Man being 90 minutes, 1 hour 45 minutes at first but then saw that fans wanted a longer movie and we ended up with a 2 hour plus movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

We aren't talking about stuff like MIB.

All the Spider-man films were over two hours long.

The new Batman movies were well over two hours.

Watchmen was over 2 and a half hours.

Iron Man was over two hours.

I know. I was just pointing out that Sony's percentage of long comic book films were poor soley because of the MIB films, which I feel should be excluded since they are a different type of film.

The end result is that FOX's track record is terrible and they shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt until they earn it. As it is, it is more accurate to assume that whatever they make will be awful unless there is some indication that it isn't. If you send out a pinch hitter with .100 batting average in baseball, he might get a hit, but you'd be a fool to expect it. It is the same thing with FOX.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fox is like Keith Jardine. Pathetic weak sauce leg kicks.

 

[Bubastis]

I'm gonna guess 1 Hour and 35 minutes by mandate of 20th Century F**ks

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Doesn't anyone realize that they are not covering Wolverines WHOLE history in this film? Just his relationship with Creed in the past and his Weapon X days.

And I was one of the biggest TDK fans on this board. But the fact is it is boring, it is too long winded in places. They take the long route to get round things just to make it seem more intellectual than it is. This is the structure of TDK

Action scene-action scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-action/suspense scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-action/suspense scene-talking scene-talking scene-action scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-suspense scene-talking scene-talking scene-talking scene-action scene...

Ok you get the picture. And that is obviously a simplified way of looking at it. But for a 2 and half hour long comic book film and there is actually only about 30 mins of action that is ****ing annoying and it drags, simple as that.

And it's not because i just like action movies. I like all kinds of movies.

The fact is when I go to see a X Men movie or in this case a Wolverine movie I want to see some ****ing balls to the wall action, i want it to be fast paced, i want it to be explosive. I don't want a long winded, cerebral drama/thriller. That is not what Wolverine is about.

As long as it has a good story and some bad ass action I will be happy.

But saying all that, I think 1hr 45 minute mark is just right.

 

[chaseter]

You are beginning to grasp at straws Knaves.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Ay? Grasp at what straws? The fact is a Wolverine film based on only PART of his history/origin doesn't need to be over 2 hours long. If they wanted to cover everything, sure, it should be a 3 hour long epic. But they are not.

This is just about his early relationship with Creed and his Weapon X days. Fact.

And my I'm not gonna back down about my opinion of TDK. It is a great film, but too long winded and thinks it is more intellectual than it actually is. I don't want that to happen to a Wolverine film. It should be a story driven action film first, a cerebral, long winded, intellectual thriller last.

Would I WANT a 2 hour long Wolverine film? Yes, I would

Does a Wolverine film that only covers this part of his history absolutely require a 2 hour long film? No, it doesn't

 

[WeaponXProject]

Ace I agree with you in some ways but I can't lie about this much. The movie is a two character focus about the relationship of two brothers. A character story, which is what Hugh and Gavin Hood has described the movie as, is not going to be mindless action. The dramatic story that they have together can't be explained with just explosions and claws. There is more. Dialogue and development is imperative to this story, especially with what the director and producer have described it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I'm not denying that man.

I said it should be a story/character driven action film. Of course there should be time to explore the relationship between these two brothers. I like that is will be like that. It plays up the feeling that "love and hate" are divided by a very, very fine line.

But what i am saying is that it doesn't need to be over 2 hours long. There is no need IMO. I don't want this film to drag on like TDK. When I watch TDK now i find myself skipping to the Joker scenes or the Harvey Dent scenes or the action scenes. The rest of it is sooooo long winded. And not even necessarily so. It is long winded just to seem more intellectual.

What i mean is i don't want Wolverine to fall into that trap. Think it is cleverer than it really is. Because it doesn't need to be.

 

[WeaponXProject]

The only parts where TDK dragged to me was Bruce trying to find the bullet print, the scenes early with Gordan and Harvey, and some few other scenes. The reason it was so great was the story, not the action. The action was okay, in my opinion, compared to most action movies.


I'm still saying 2 hours.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Hmmm I suppose it's because i have seen TDK too many times now. But i really do find it boring in some places.

Yea for me anything between 1hr 45mins and 2 hrs is perfect.

Maybe when they make a film of the japanese saga and if they make a film of his time in alpha flight we could look at all 3 as one, 5-6 hour long epic movie you know?

 

[Pauluz]

If Wolverine is going to be 90 minutes, I'm not going to the theaters.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah I don't know who is asking for a 2:30 hour TDK epic... but we need a film that pushes two hours minimum. Look at TIH... you add some of those deleted scenes and it would have been a better film. And it STILL was 1:55... and it STILL felt choppy and edited. And that wasn't even an origin movie. People need to think about this stuff. What movie do you really want? X-Men:TLS where everything just moves from one scene to the next and compromises story and integrity left and right? I think I will pass.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Na I don't want that, of course not.

But I don't want it to be too long winded. To be too broken up you know? Like it has been stretched out just for the sake of it.

 

[chaseter]

Ay? Grasp at what straws? The fact is a Wolverine film based on only PART of his history/origin doesn't need to be over 2 hours long. If they wanted to cover everything, sure, it should be a 3 hour long epic. But they are not.

This is just about his early relationship with Creed and his Weapon X days. Fact.

And my I'm not gonna back down about my opinion of TDK. It is a great film, but too long winded and thinks it is more intellectual than it actually is. I don't want that to happen to a Wolverine film. It should be a story driven action film first, a cerebral, long winded, intellectual thriller last.

Would I WANT a 2 hour long Wolverine film? Yes, I would

Does a Wolverine film that only covers this part of his history absolutely require a 2 hour long film? No, it doesn't

You thinking of ways to justify a 90-something minute runtime is grasping at straws. I can't knock you for being an optimist but as a realist myself, this is all just pointless. If the movie is near or over 2 hours, then this movie might be good. If it is 90-something minutes then it more than likely won't be. Not saying it won't for sure as I haven't seen it but I doubt it. Once again, I would rather feel like a movie was too long than one that felt way too short. And it was sad to see America moving in the direction for shorter films a few years ago but thank God most of the studios are bringing back or have brought back the epic and long film.

But, you thinking it was too long is your opinion which nearly all of critics and fans disagree with you on...which is fine as we all have an opinion.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You thinking of ways to justify a 90-something minute runtime is grasping at straws. I can't knock you for being an optimist but as a realist myself, this is all just pointless. If the movie is near or over 2 hours, then this movie might be good. If it is 90-something minutes then it more than likely won't be. Not saying it won't for sure as I haven't seen it but I doubt it. Once again, I would rather feel like a movie was too long than one that felt way too short. And it was sad to see America moving in the direction for shorter films a few years ago but thank God most of the studios are bringing back or have brought back the epic and long film.

But, you thinking it was too long is your opinion which nearly all of critics and fans disagree with you on...which is fine as we all have an opinion.

Who ever said I wanted a 90 minute film?

I said aounrd 1hr45minutes would be ok, so that's the minimum i want really. Of course i would love it to be a 2hour film, but i ain't gonna completely write it off if it ain't you know. But i would be pretty pissed off.

And about TDK. I think it's because i watched it too many times. I do still think it's a briliant film