Dark Phoenix The Sophie Turner/Jean Grey/Phoenix Thread

[Erik Lensherr]

She is so....

 

[Mad Ones]

I was so happy with Turner's acting in the trailer. I absolutely want more lines from her, but she did a really effective job emoting. She looked downright scary when she was with Magneto, and that wasn't because of the special effects.

We get more of young Jean too. If it was up to me, I would have used Anne as Jean's tragic backstory rather than this situation with her parents, though it could work. I want see where the movie stands on whether or not Jean is "broken". Jean's powers were never the problem, the manipulation was the problem.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[rebellion]

okay, i like sophie but that comparison does her absolutely no favors. :P
famke just screams 'jean grey' to me, she has that special something you just cant describe. like your eyes just fix on her, she has such a presence.

 

[DACrowe]

Famke is probably a better actress, we can't really judge Sophie's take though because it's a forced comparison by using trailer images to some of the best moments Famke had. Shame that Famke didn't get a Dark Phoenix movie and was stuck as a subplot in a lousy studio product.

 

[psylockolussus]

Sophie looks the part. Pretty and tall. But God her acting isn't very good.

 

[x-er]

It's Evan Rachel Wood

Hahaha she looks just like her. God I live her in West world! By the end of season two I was like pleas bring her back.

Still don’t get that telekinetic gesture from Sophie though. It’s the second time now. Google X-men comics jean telekinesis. I can’t find anything that looks like jean is pulling a book off the bookshelves... XD

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Turners next movie

 

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I don’t get how jean is being possessed by the Phoenix here if we’ve already seen her use the Phoenix force in apocalypse, which is where she first Went on a mission as part of the X-men team at least in the Fox prequel continuity

About the hand gestures, maybe Sophie thought it was like pretending things are small enough to pick them up with your hand from a distance, from your own viewpoint. You see that in ads nowadays. Maybe if we got a shot from her point of view to see what jean grey sees, closing her hand on a faraway object and actually moving it telekinetically, then her hand gesture would make more sense

 

[x-er]

but her hand is too low never mind

 

[x-er]

And the more I watch it the more I like it, hahahaha

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[x-er]

lower right corner looks nice

 

[Jh7058622]

She looks more and more like Uma Thurman everyday.

 

[DACrowe]

... Yeah, cannot deny she has a statuesque beauty that is often associated with comic book characters. I'm really rooting for her to deliver on the emotional depths of Jean Grey too.

 

[Mutant 77]

I don’t get how jean is being possessed by the Phoenix here if we’ve already seen her use the Phoenix force in apocalypse, which is where she first Went on a mission as part of the X-men team at least in the Fox prequel continuity

About the hand gestures, maybe Sophie thought it was like pretending things are small enough to pick them up with your hand from a distance, from your own viewpoint. You see that in ads nowadays. Maybe if we got a shot from her point of view to see what jean grey sees, closing her hand on a faraway object and actually moving it telekinetically, then her hand gesture would make more sense

In the cinematic universe (all timelines), the Phoenix is an alternate personality. I guess the cosmic radiation incident just amplified Jean's powers and threw them off the charts, making her the most powerful mutant. I would say she's technically a "mutated mutant" or something along those lines.

 

[icekid]

In the cinematic universe (all timelines), the Phoenix is an alternate personality. I guess the cosmic radiation incident just amplified Jean's powers and threw them off the charts, making her the most powerful mutant. I would say she's technically a "mutated mutant" or something along those lines.

Nope because the official word via synopsis, media interviews, official site, etc, specifically says she is processed by a force during the
space mission and it is in struggle with Jean.

Honestly it’s the biggest wtf moment I have when the whole setup for this movie in the previous one revolves around Jean tapping into the Phoenix force within her already to defeat Apocalypse. We’ve literally seen it, heard it, etc.

The only solution I see plot wise is that a part of the Phoenix was born with Jean and the climax of Apocalypse was also its cry to its other pieces to gather with her. That would explain why we see particles pulling into her in the last film (which was specifically called out during the commentary). It’ll also tie up the OT Phoenix nicely as that can be a peice of it that never fully formed and was mistakenly identified as a split personality that what it really was. Phoenix fragments have precedent in the comics, AVX being the best example as each person to hold more and more of the Phoenix grew increasingly unstable. The space mission is just a result of 9 years of the Phoenix gathering its parts across the cosmos and returning to its true home.

Too bad this is probably too much story or explanation that our storytellers care to tell.

 

[Mutant 77]

Nope because the official word via synopsis, media interviews, official site, etc, specifically says she is processed by a force during the
space mission and it is in struggle with Jean.

Honestly it’s the biggest wtf moment I have when the whole setup for this movie in the previous one revolves around Jean tapping into the Phoenix force within her already to defeat Apocalypse. We’ve literally seen it, heard it, etc.

Or maybe we can assume that a shapeless cosmic "entity" possessed her and THEN fused with the "avatar" of the Phoenix (alternate personality) already present in her and her mutant powers, the personality and powers she briefly unleashed at the very end of "Apocalypse". So she was Phoenix at the end of "Apocalypse", but became Dark Phoenix when the shapeless "Force" possessed her in the space.

 

[icekid]

Why make it another force that’s not literally the Phoenix Force and stray even further from the source material than they already have. This was their shot to change that and retcon it to what it is in the source material and they have a clear shot to doing just that.

 

[Mutant 77]

Why make it another force that’s not literally the Phoenix Force and stray even further from the source material than they already have. This was their shot to change that and retcon it to what it is in the source material and they have a clear shot to doing just that.

They already used the Phoenix in "Apocalypse". This is the only way to reconcile the two movies. Said that, forget the source material. It's the Fox Universe.

 

[icekid]

Or they can do exactly what I stated regarding the Phoenix Force being spread throughout the galaxy and a part of it birthed with Jean, that’ll explain the previous instances and the space incident is just the rest of it gathering in her which never happened prior to a Apocalypse (the event that triggers this one) and the OT (Jean never having a full on moment to tap into what little of the force she had)... its been done and likely is to be the route they go with to reconcile what came before.

 

[Mutant 77]

Or they can do exactly what I stated regarding the Phoenix Force being spread throughout the galaxy and a part of it birthed with Jean, that’ll explain the previous instances and the space incident is just the rest of it gathering in her which never happened prior to a Apocalypse (the event that triggers this one) and the OT (Jean never having a full on moment to tap into what little of the force she had)... its been done and likely is to be the route they go with to reconcile what came before.

That would explain a lot of things. WHY every "Jean Grey" becomes Phoenix, no matter the timeline.

Don't forget this is the second Jean Grey. The first Jean Grey, in the original timeline, was 13 years old in 1985 (20 years before "The Last Stand").
This Jean Grey has born much before, since she was 18 in 1983.

 

[icekid]

Yup, it is why there is always a Phoenix regardless of timeline. X3 literally being a watered down and fragmented Phoenix hence why it just stood there doing things like It was actually supposed to be on set for The Rage: Carrie 2.


Also technically she has never been aged in the OT, even in the childhood scene if I’m not mistaken. Puberty can be anywhere from 11-14. As we are never given a concrete date on when it even takes place. 98 could be likely and not too distant future is subjective. It can be in the late 90s for all we know, the only instance of real world technology that would date it Is the Mercedes they’re driving to jeans house in the into, which went out of production in ‘78, and very well could line up with Jeans actual age in the current films meaning she wasn’t born earlier. If she was 6 in the DoFP scene that puts her at 11 in X3s intro. The original 3 are the same age as in the OT. I wouldn’t put her at 18 in Apocalypse but rather 16 is likely.

Whatever, I’ve just put way more thought into it than anyone involved with the film would have.