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World "The Spectacular Spider-Man" Appreciation Thread (possible spoilers)

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I didn't really have an issue with Gwen's portrayal but I guess it could have been done better. It's sort of a small detail I can overlook because everything else is so close to being perfect IMO.
 
Most fans would agree they nailed most of the characters on this show. But is there any character anyone feels wasn't done as well as they should have been?

Like for example did anyone think the shy placcid glasses wearing bookworm wallflower characterization they went with for Gwen was not right for her?

Good question.

In terms of design, I'd say the biggest mistake was turning Kraven into a giant furry kitty cat. His character was on point and I guess the science part about the gene altering makes sense for him to make that transformation. For example, Connors used essentially the same formula, animal dna with electricity, and turned into a giant lizard. So...I get it. But...I still don't like it. It's my biggest nitpick and I wish he would have just stayed as a human.

I've heard the criticisms about Gwen and I disagree with them about it being 'wrong.' I think the main point about her character and any other that would fit this mold, i.e Harry, MJ, etc. is that in the comics we didn't meet them until Peter was in college. Here, in TSSM, we meet them in High School. Weisman and Co set out to give us younger versions of these characters while maintaining the core essence of each. They'd ask themselves what would Gwen be like in HS based off her characterization in the comics as she was seen in college? She still retains the qualities that makes her a good fit for Peter--love for science, smart, sweet, nuturing but also has an edge to her--"ok, no Peter, no Harry. Someone is so getting the look." Gwen is the only one that recognizes something is wrong with Harry and tries to help him. I believe that they only made her look more nerdish or like a bookworm cause I guess maybe that's how Weisman thought she would look in HS. We eventually get to see her transform into her bombshell look near the end of season 2.

The way I see it. All people make transformations as they grow older. I'm certainly not the same person I was when in HS. Gwen's no different. Most likely after another season or two HS would have been over for the group and moved onto college. Gwen would still keep her core characteristics intact but we'd see her, over time, begin to lose the wallflower aspect of her character. IMO, those behind the show made good choices with her.

I didn't really have an issue with Gwen's portrayal but I guess it could have been done better. It's sort of a small detail I can overlook because everything else is so close to being perfect IMO.

I'm very curious, what could have been done better?
 
I agree they got the core qualities of Gwen's good nature and Science loving side right. However if Gwen was such a prima donna, thinks all the boys love her, no man would ignore her type when we first meet her in college, then those seeds would have to have been sewn pretty early. Definitely in her High School years where she was probably Prom Queen and had all the guys swooning over her like Liz Allan. Part of Gwen's character progression in the comics was seeing her thaw out and Peter bringing out her nicer side, and her losing that kind of shallow image and personality she originally had.

So I'd say if we were imagining what Gwen was like in High School, I can't imagine her being the shy bookworm nerd she was in this show. Not based on the way she was when she is in her first year of college. Just like I cannot imagine Gwen in this show becoming the way Gwen was when we first meet her in the comics.
 
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Most fans would agree they nailed most of the characters on this show. But is there any character anyone feels wasn't done as well as they should have been?

Like for example did anyone think the shy placcid glasses wearing bookworm wallflower characterization they went with for Gwen was not right for her?

no, it was fine. nothing wrong with it.
 
if season 3 continued i would've loved to see harry be the one to drop gwen in the bridge and him and peter can have so much emotional breakdowns trying to kill one another. but the question is since norman was revealed to be alive i wonder what role he would've played.
 
So I'd say if we were imagining what Gwen was like in High School, I can't imagine her being the shy bookworm nerd she was in this show. Not based on the way she was when she is in her first year of college. Just like I cannot imagine Gwen in this show becoming the way Gwen was when we first meet her in the comics.

I'm not that well versed in the Spider-Man canon, but isn't that also the case with Mary Jane? And she was set up that way. She is a free spirit with a soft side. If that's the case, when they grow older, it would seem repetitive.
 
Spectacular Spider-Man did do a different take on Gwen, but for storytelling purposes, I think it made sense. I especially believe this because they introduced Mary Jane so early (not a bad thing, mind you; I love MJ!). Both girls had distinct personalities.

Gwen has always been perceived as the "sweet" girl, and her personality in the show represented that very well. Most of the females in this show are introduced as shallow, especially in the beginning. I think it was important to make Gwen stand out.

I also think that Spectacular Spider-Man made the decision to make Peter and Gwen childhood friends as some sort of interpretation of the Raimi movies (remember, this show came out less than a year after Spider-Man 3). There were quite a few things from those movies that were adapted/interpreted on the show (especially a lot of the visuals).
 
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In terms of design, I'd say the biggest mistake was turning Kraven into a giant furry kitty cat. His character was on point and I guess the science part about the gene altering makes sense for him to make that transformation. For example, Connors used essentially the same formula, animal dna with electricity, and turned into a giant lizard. So...I get it. But...I still don't like it. It's my biggest nitpick and I wish he would have just stayed as a human.

Yeah, I agree. I think Kraven was the show's biggest letdown.
 
I'm not that well versed in the Spider-Man canon, but isn't that also the case with Mary Jane? And she was set up that way. She is a free spirit with a soft side. If that's the case, when they grow older, it would seem repetitive.

MJ was different. She was a laid back free spirit party girl type (which we later learned was all an act to mask the pain of her troubled childhood), and she never acted like this:

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Gwen was a fiery character:

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Well, that clarifies that aspect about 616 Gwen. Then again, I think that I prefer "Spectacular" Gwen. She was just endearing and sweet.
 
I agree they got the core qualities of Gwen's good nature and Science loving side right. However if Gwen was such a prima donna, thinks all the boys love her, no man would ignore her type when we first meet her in college, then those seeds would have to have been sewn pretty early. Definitely in her High School years where she was probably Prom Queen and had all the guys swooning over her like Liz Allan. Part of Gwen's character progression in the comics was seeing her thaw out and Peter bringing out her nicer side, and her losing that kind of shallow image and personality she originally had.

So I'd say if we were imagining what Gwen was like in High School, I can't imagine her being the shy bookworm nerd she was in this show. Not based on the way she was when she is in her first year of college. Just like I cannot imagine Gwen in this show becoming the way Gwen was when we first meet her in the comics.

This was definitely a different interpretation of Gwen from her character as seen in 616. That's to be expected to some degree imo cause after all this is an adaptation of the source. As Leenie so kindly pointed out, the Raimi films also contributed to the story/characterizations that we see here as well as USM comics. It's what I would like to call a comprehensive take on Spider-Man--not a direct page for page take on the mythos. I will say though this has by far been the best adaptation outside of the original material that we've gotten in any medium.

There were hints of Gwen's 616 fiery character with confidence in the show. It wasn't as blatanly obvious as we see in 616 but still there nonetheless. Her line of "no Peter, no Harry, someone is sooo getting the look," points toward her having an edge, backbone or strong female side to her. At one point Gwen is giving Peter the so-called look and he throws his hands up in a surrendering fashion and says "Ok, OK anything but the look." They don't really explore it much beyond that but imo this suggests that she does have a fiery side to her and Peter is very much aware of it, has seen it, or maybe even was directed at him at one time. His body language and language itself tells me that he wants no part of it. There was also confidence. "You haven't said one word to me since the you-know-what, and I get it. I'm not your first choice. But I won't be your second, either." Sure, her confidence seen in the show was not a bolstering, sassy pants confidence we see with 616 but again, this is a younger version of Gwen. She still has another year and half of HS to go and much can happen in that time that would allow her confidence to grow. We see in the end of season 2 how she was given that makeover and blossomed into the bombshell that we know and love from the comics. There's definitely some confidence boost right there and the boys would no doubt be swooning over her, imo. It's difficult to say these things with certainty though because in 616 we're not given that info and TSSM was cut short so we don't know how much change she would have be given.

To go back to your original question, yes, I think this was a different take on Gwen obviously being an adaptation, however, I don't think they got her character wrong. Some changes made but the core essence of her character was intact enough, as provided in the examples above that she was recognizeable to me.

Yes thanks for that great insightful response, Spider-knight.

He's destined to do this forever.

Spectacular Spider-Man did do a different take on Gwen, but for storytelling purposes, I think it made sense. I especially believe this because they introduced Mary Jane so early (not a bad thing, mind you; I love MJ!). Both girls had distinct personalities.

Gwen has always been perceived as the "sweet" girl, and her personality in the show represented that very well. Most of the females in this show are introduced as shallow, especially in the beginning. I think it was important to make Gwen stand out.

I also think that Spectacular Spider-Man made the decision to make Peter and Gwen childhood friends as some sort of interpretation of the Raimi movies (remember, this show came out less than a year after Spider-Man 3). There were quite a few things from those movies that were adapted/interpreted on the show (especially a lot of the visuals).

Solid points all around, Leenie.
 
I think the concept for Gwen was "what would she had been like in high school?" And the nerd look kinda. As later on she took them off and became a knockout.

Another thing about this show is that there are things you may not notice when watching it for the first time. For instance, Norman Osborn says that he never apologizes. However in one episode he does. In the series finale, it was revealed that Chameleon had been impersonating him. Meaning that at that other time, it was Chameleon and not Norman. And that was before Chameleon's official debut episode.

And there are some people that feel the characters weren't portrayed well. I don't mean to offend anyone, but it seems that it's mostly hardcore and militant fans of Spider-man TAS. It's like these people mainly wanted a rehash of that show instead of trying to judge Spectacular as it's own thing. Some obviously don't read comics and base their knowledge mainly from Spider-man TAS. I mean I came across this one idiot on Youtube saying Spectacular was for "lil kids" for inane reasons such as Peter and Eddie being friends instead of Eddie trying to fight for his job at the Bugle. If ignoramuses like that would actually do some research before commenting, they'd know that's not how things originally went. The same guy also asked since when were Sandman and Electro part of the Sinister Six.
 
In terms of design, I'd say the biggest mistake was turning Kraven into a giant furry kitty cat. His character was on point and I guess the science part about the gene altering makes sense for him to make that transformation. For example, Connors used essentially the same formula, animal dna with electricity, and turned into a giant lizard. So...I get it. But...I still don't like it. It's my biggest nitpick and I wish he would have just stayed as a human.

Well the Kraven becoming a lion stuff was taken from the Ultimate comics. And it was stated that his transformation would have been important in the long term run and that it would have been somehow connected to John Jameson. Man-Wolf perhaps?
 
Kraven was one of the few things I didn't like about the show. Yeah, he was a normal guy up against his a superhuman, but he's still a skilled hunter and is more experienced than Spidey in fighting. Show him using all his tricks, his potions and herbs, his tracking skills, THEN if you feel so inclined to do so make him like the Ultimate version. But what they did instead felt weak.
 
Well the Kraven becoming a lion stuff was taken from the Ultimate comics. And it was stated that his transformation would have been important in the long term run and that it would have been somehow connected to John Jameson. Man-Wolf perhaps?

Yes, I remember reading about possible plans for Man-Wolf and I like how this show was able to set things up for the long term. The USM comics definitely played an inspiration for a couple of things we see in TSSM but this is one I didn't like. The part that bothers me is the transformation. Like I said before in a previous post, I get it. Connors used essentially the same formula and turned into a giant lizard so in turn it makes sense for Kraven to turn into a big kitty cat. But why does he have to make that transformation? They could have gone the 616 route where Kraven gets some suped-up elixirs from his girly Calypso. He gets the powers but remains human. I guess the thing I dislike the most is the design. Had they used a different looking character design I may have been OK with it.

Kraven was one of the few things I didn't like about the show. Yeah, he was a normal guy up against his a superhuman, but he's still a skilled hunter and is more experienced than Spidey in fighting. Show him using all his tricks, his potions and herbs, his tracking skills, THEN if you feel so inclined to do so make him like the Ultimate version. But what they did instead felt weak.

Yeah, I wanted to see him use more of his hunting skills. That would have been great to see Kraven set up some cool traps or other devices to try and capture Spidey.
 
I agree they got the core qualities of Gwen's good nature and Science loving side right. However if Gwen was such a prima donna, thinks all the boys love her, no man would ignore her type when we first meet her in college, then those seeds would have to have been sewn pretty early. Definitely in her High School years where she was probably Prom Queen and had all the guys swooning over her like Liz Allan. Part of Gwen's character progression in the comics was seeing her thaw out and Peter bringing out her nicer side, and her losing that kind of shallow image and personality she originally had.

So I'd say if we were imagining what Gwen was like in High School, I can't imagine her being the shy bookworm nerd she was in this show. Not based on the way she was when she is in her first year of college. Just like I cannot imagine Gwen in this show becoming the way Gwen was when we first meet her in the comics.

I think that's a very interesting point. Gwen was definitely a different character as she was portrayed in high school. I believe the first two seasons of SSM were their junior years. Gwen was the one character on the show that appeared to be going through the most progressional change. We saw that in the second season as her appearance was starting to change. Im wondering where they were going with it, because something drastic was about to happen to her character that would have probably started the change into the Gwen we knew from the comic. She was about to date Harry who was becoming a manipulative calculating kid in the mold of Norman. He was determined to keep Peter and Gwen apart.

Its too bad that show was canceled. I found that story to be very intriguing along with Felicia/Black Cat's development and her antagonistic behavior towards Spiderman in that last episode.
 
5. Uncertainty Principle
4. Final Curtain
3. Group Therapy
2. Gangland
1. Nature vs Nurture
 
1. Shear Strength
2. Gangland
3. Group Therapy
4. Final Curtain
5. Natural Selection
 
1. Final Curtain
2. Gangland
3. Identity Crisis
4. Group Therapy
5. Catalysts
 
Nice lists, guys :woot:

Here's mine:

1. Gangland
2. Uncertainty Principle
3. The Invisible Hand (I don't think this episode gets enough credit)
4. Shear Strength
5. First Steps

I really had to think about this for a while. It was tough to make a list when I love so many of the episodes.
 
Not enough love for Shear Strength. A brilliant adaption of the classic Master Planner story, including that iconic scene of Spidey trapped under the rubble drowning.

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Shear strength was good. And I liked the Master Planner stuff (though I knew nothing of it comic-wise so it was all new to me.)
I'm not surprised to see Gangland on a lot of the lists. That was a near-masterpiece.
 
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