World "The Spectacular Spider-Man" Appreciation Thread (possible spoilers)

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Larger reply, I am not deluded enough to believe that Steve Blum's performance as the Goblin is even close to being as well known as Mark Hamill's Joker. But I do believe it was just as good. Both of them don't have me picturing an actor in a booth, I hear them and say "Yes, that's the real Joker and that's the real Green Goblin... these people exist and they're playing themselves". Now, I don't mean that literally, I know the difference between reality and fantasy. But you know what I mean.
 
Larger reply, I am not deluded enough to believe that Steve Blum's performance as the Goblin is even close to being as well known as Mark Hamill's Joker. But I do believe it was just as good. Both of them don't have me picturing an actor in a booth, I hear them and say "Yes, that's the real Joker and that's the real Green Goblin... these people exist and they're playing themselves". Now, I don't mean that literally, I know the difference between reality and fantasy. But you know what I mean.

That makes more sense. In an earlier post to another person you said you believe he had reached that iconic level of Hamill. I'm assuming that was just poor choice of wording.

With regards to Tim Curry, the reason he was let go was because his Joker voice was deemed too scary and sadistic. I can believe that after seeing him play Stephen King's IT.
 
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Well I personally feel he is THE voice of the Green Goblin.

However it is not fair to compare him to Hamill.

Because Hamill has voice the Joker for... God knows how many years now?

I mean the man has voiced the Joker in not just the Animated Show but in Spin-Off films (Mask of the Phantasm, Return of the Joker) and in games (Arkham Series) I mean Hamill has been voicing Joker for well over a decade now, children have grown up with his Joker.

OF COURSE he's iconic, he's had years and years to cement his Joker voice into the minds of the public.

While Steve Blum has only voiced Gobby for a few episodes of a show that got unfairly canned after it's second season.

Not comparable.

Personally I feel Blum's Goblin COULD have become as famous as Hamill's Joker, but he just wasn't given the opportunity. If the show had continued Blum could have kept voicing the Goblin and eventually done Spin-Off films, and maybe games, and his Goblin could have become more famous as the years went on, sadly that wasn't to be.

However just the fact that some of us mention him in the same breath as Hamills Joker and put him on the same level talent wise (I personally do) is a testament to how AWESOME Steve Blum was voicing the role.

Like it or not the man did make an impression...maybe not so much to the general public but definitely to those of us who were fans of the show and Green Goblin/Spider-Man fans in general. :yay:

Great post.

Much of what you've stated is mirroring my own thoughts on the matter and I wholeheartedly agree with the emboldened part.

Performance wise, Blum is on the same level as Hamill. I agree. But when it comes to the acclaim or icon status, there really is no comparison. It'd be a real tough sell on that one and although I probably wouldn't agree, I'd love to see someone who honestly feels that way to make a convincing case.

TSSM's continuation or something equivalent, like an animated movie, is something I would love to see but since that is most likely not gonna happen...I'd still love to see Blum return as the GG in other iterations. Maybe that would give him the boost he needs to reach the icon status.
 
Batman the Animated Series originally aired on Fox Kids, and was one of that network's big guns. Apparantly, as I understand it, Fox asked for the re-casting because they already had Tim Curry voicing Captain Hook in "Peter Pan and the Pirates" (Curry even won an Emmy for it), and they wanted the Joker to sound more unique.

Interesting tidbit. Thanks. :yay:

Larger reply, I am not deluded enough to believe that Steve Blum's performance as the Goblin is even close to being as well known as Mark Hamill's Joker. But I do believe it was just as good. Both of them don't have me picturing an actor in a booth, I hear them and say "Yes, that's the real Joker and that's the real Green Goblin... these people exist and they're playing themselves". Now, I don't mean that literally, I know the difference between reality and fantasy. But you know what I mean.

:up: Perfectly stated. I agree with this entirely. I only asked you about the icon thing because of what you said in a previous post.
 
screw it

if they are not gonna release the entire season 2 on DVD i might as well just pick up the entire series on blu-ray

already have season 1 on DVD so i wanted to avoid double dipping but it really seems like all of season 2 will see the light of day :down
 
screw it

if they are not gonna release the entire season 2 on DVD i might as well just pick up the entire series on blu-ray

already have season 1 on DVD so i wanted to avoid double dipping but it really seems like all of season 2 will see the light of day :down

Biased as I may be about the series, it is worth every penny to upgrade to Blu ray. The increase in color accuracy/saturation, definition, picture clarity and sound production are a very noticeable difference from the SD versions on DVD and even a jump in quality from the HD broadcasts. For me, watching the show on BR was invigorating--felt like I was watching the whole series over again for the first time.
 
screw it

if they are not gonna release the entire season 2 on DVD i might as well just pick up the entire series on blu-ray

already have season 1 on DVD so i wanted to avoid double dipping but it really seems like all of season 2 will see the light of day :down

Unforctatley I got the season 2 volumes not that long before the bluray was annoced because I keept weighting and weighting for season 2 season to come out and nothing. So it got to the point where I figured we where never going to have any way to get season 2 with out the volumes so I just went ahead and got the volumes lol. I have to say has I hadn't went though the show in a while and stared going though the show some in the last like week or so that the show is so good that I almost don't want to watch it any more because the more I watch it the more mad I get that the show only got 2 season when the worst sm cartoon of all time in USM has 3 and may get a 4th season lol. Oh and by the way I did get the bluray when it came out just because I didn't want to have to have has many disk lol. With season 1 dvd it was 2 disk and with season 2 only being in volumes it was on like 4 disk so 6 disk and 6 cases where the bluray is basicly 2 disk and one cases.
 
According to Weisman, there are no created or original characters made for TSSM. Every character presented is taken directly from the comics. With that in mind, who do you think is Hammerhead's chauffeur? Which character from the comics is she intended to be?
 
She reminded me of Mercy Graves, Lex Luthor's hench woman.

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I know that's not from Spider-Man, but it is who she reminded me of the most from comics.
 
Mercy Graves? Yeah, I can see the similarities. I've been scratching my head over this one...no idea who she could be from the Spider-Man comics.
 
Are you sure he meant every single character, even the minor ones like her, because to be honest I'd forgotten about her until you mentioned her.
 
Are you sure he meant every single character, even the minor ones like her, because to be honest I'd forgotten about her until you mentioned her.

Yeah. Every character was pulled from the comics, minus the bystanders and random people in the crowds, etc. Here's some other minor characters that are in the show from the comics:

Seymour O'Reilly, Dr. Bromwell, Seargent Stan Carter, Coach Smith, Dillbert Trilby, Dr Ted Twaki, Mayor Waters, Vincent Gonzales, etc.

Actually now that I think of it, the only character that didn't come from the comics was Bernard Houseman. He was Norman's butler and was a character they took from the Raimi-verse. Hmmm. So maybe, Hammerhead's chauffeur comes from one of the movies??
 
Here's a very cool write-up review of TSSM. Enjoy.

http://www.intergalacticmedicineshow.com/cgi-bin/mag.cgi?do=columns&vol=spencer_ellsworth&article=042



Living on the Edge, Fighting Crime and Spinning Webs. Except Replace The Fighting Crime and Spinning Webs Part With Eating Cupcakes For Breakfast.

Spectacular Spider-Man Season One (2009)
Every so often I overcome my better judgment and write a column about Spider-Man. Typically it goes like this: I hate what they did to the marriage, I hate what they did to the marriage, I hate what they did to the marriage, I hate what they did to the marriage, I really hate, I really hate, I say, I say, I really hate what they did to the marriage.

Not this time!

It so happens that today, true believers, we review a Spidey story that really has nothing to do with One More Day and One Moment In Time, and whatever the next horrible retcon will be called (One More Kick In The Nuts?).

To do so, we go to that sad shadow of a medium that wishes so badly it could be a comic: animation.

(Because to get a good Spidey comic other than Ultimate Spider-Man these days, you actually have to go to a different medium.)

Spectacular Spider-Man Season One is the latest in a long, long series of animated series about Spidey. As a kid, I watched Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. As a teenager I watched, with my brothers, the series known more or less as "the 90s Spider-Man animated series." When I was in college, there was a mature-audiences computer-animated series on MTV, though my roommates and I didn't get MTV. (Or TV. What kind of college student can pay for cable? I think we had a VCR.)

Spidey on TV has never been high art. The main contribution of the TV series to the Spidey mythos has been the theme song from the old 60s show: "Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can . . ." etc, etc.

The animation was always cheap. Even in the 90s it looked too flat, awkwardly spliced with computer animation. The MTV series had good effects but the characters' movements were crappy, and Aunt May never appeared because MTV feared she would drive off the oh-so-precious young demographic. (Man cannot measure the amount of stupid in that last sentence.)

I've hoped for a good Spidey series for a long time. I don't know what it is, but for years Marvel was unable to produce any good animated series, and certainly nothing that came within miles of DC's incredible animated Batman, Superman, Justice League, Teen Titans, and soon-to-be Young Justice series. I had pretty much given up. At least in the comics, we had Ultimate Spider-Man, which was about the best young Spidey story a man could hope for.

But the wife and tried Spectacular anyway. We were still hungry for animated goodness after Avatar: The Last Airbender, and the episodes were on Hulu.

It's . . . spectacular.

Actually, I don't even want to say spectacular, since the root word is spectacle, which might be a bad thing. Nor do I want to say amazing for its obsolete meaning of confuse.

It's transcendent. There you go. Spectacular gets everything that every Spidey animated series, and most of the comic book series, have gotten wrong.

The series wisely starts with Spidey kicking butt, filling in his well-known origin story a few episodes later. It makes plenty of sense, since kids watching cartoons want to start with Spidey action, and all the older fans have seen the origin done dozens of times.

A word about the butt-kicking: it kicks butt. The animation is . . . well, forget it, there aren't adjectives for it. It just moves: dances around with a sense of wonder and dynamism, all simple angled lines that come alive with energy. You can feel the Shocker's blasts hammer into Spidey's chest or the concrete cracking when Venom slams Peter against it.

Computer animation is wisely subdued in the background, but it accentuates the hand-drawn action as Spidey darts through city canyons or hops from subway to subway in a moving tunnel-fight against the Lizard.

But that is not the best part. Spider-Man is, more than any other superhero, as good in his secret identity as he is in his mask. And Spectacular uses Peter's circle of friends in a masterful way that puts all his comics to shame.

Peter is in high school, and a persecuted nerd. Villains-to-be hide among his supporting cast, and mob intrigue pulls the strings of crime, but he can hardly keep up when his personal life is so crazy. He is broke, and Aunt May can't make the bills, and then there's high school and the fact that he must, in one memorable scene, let himself get smacked around by the bullies just to keep up his secret identity.

In battle, Spidey is hilarious. When the Shocker yells, "Stop mocking me!" he matter-of-factly replies, "I mock! I'm a mocker. It's what I do." To Doctor Octopus: "Come on, Doc. You're a cephalopod. I'm an arthropod. Can't we just hug it out?" He tries to trip the Rhino by knocking over a rack of bowling balls. "This always works in the cartoons," he says. When the Rhino smashes the bowling balls to dust, Spidey meta-quips, "I so cannot trust cartoons."

Pete himself is vivid, funny, and, like Ang of Avatar, in need of a few reality checks. The creators wisely ditched much of his neurotic personality from the comics and instead focused on his natural teenage hubris. In the first episode, emboldened by his experience as Spider-Man, he walks right up to a cheerleader as easily as if he were stopping a crime and asks her out. She shrieks at him, upset that he is spewing nerd all over her.

In the second episode, he actually tackles Electro long before the villain has committed any crime, for the sake of getting some pictures to sell to the Bugle. His careless action destroys half a city block, and he is forced to admit that he is not the altruistic hero he likes to think he is. The responsibility thing isn't so easy.

Spectacular uses his supporting cast masterfully, in a way that no one except Stan Lee ever has. Harry Osborne and Gwen Stacy are de-aged from their original college selves and made into Pete's best nerd friends in high school. Gwen and Peter have a little romantic tension, but Spidey gets in the way, and so does the cheerleader who throws herself at Peter eventually. (Yes, he gets the cheerleader, but as with all things powerful and responsible, she requires a lot of maintenance.)

He is involved with a prestigious research lab along with a certain Doctor Curt Connors, whom Spider-heads will recognize as the Lizard, and Eddie Brock, soon to be Venom who has been like an older brother to Pete since their parents died in the same plane crash.

Norman Osborne, his high school buddy's father, is mired in mob violence, creating supervillains for pay, and harbors a suspicion about Peter's identity.

The series does a great job of keeping longtime fans entertained despite the inevitability of Pete's friends turning into villains and the inevitability of his hookups with certain girls. It doesn't feel like you've seen these stories before.

J. Jonah Jameson is even more entertaining than usual, growling and ranting and throwing Peter out of his office several times before he realizes that Pete has pics to sell him. You don't even miss his classic cigars, removed so that kids don't see smoking in the show. (Although they do see people try to kill each other . . . ah, America.)

Then there's Mary Jane. In the cartoon, MJ is at her best as a force of hormone-baiting nature. She comes into Peter's life and teases every guy in sight while holding an obvious soft spot for Mister Parker. He can't hold onto her, but she will be his prom date and save the last dance for him, even if he spends half the prom "in the bathroom" while he is off in costume fighting bad guys.

I'm biased toward this original Mary Jane, who in 70s Marvel comics was a party girl who blew in and out of Peter's life, until she finally confessed why she was always yanking on his emotions--she knew he was Spider-Man, and wanted to get close, but her own longtime emotional issues and his secret life kept them apart.

That's why he had to marry MJ, but that's a subject I've promised to stay away from.

Spectacular feels like the real Spider-Man story, to which all others are but shades. It just gets Spider-Man. Everything about him. The heart of Spectacular is exemplified when Harry Osborne, trying to win over the popular crowd, uses his dad's money to hire a limo and throw an awesome party for prom.

Of course, they ditch him once they get bored with him, and Harry is genuinely torn apart inside.

High school is used in Spectacular as a predictor of one's fate, a crucible for the ever-present power and responsibility, and you never doubt that Peter will face deeper and deeper demons as time goes on.

We are currently gearing up for another -- good heavens, another, you say? -- Spidey reboot at the movies, and Spectacular has been canceled for a similar rebooty animated series called Ultimate Spider-Man, presumably to be closely based on the comics.

It's stupid.

Marvel had a series for the ages with Spectacular. Many of Marvel's worst animated series have run much longer, including the tepid 90s Spidey cartoon.

He's the best superhero in comics and Marvel just can't get him right. They are the comic-company equivalent of guys who can't make French toast. Here's the bread, guys: don't cancel Spectacular. Here's the eggs: don't reboot the animated series. Here's a frying pan: don't have Satan destroy the marr . . .

Dang it!
 
Yeah. Every character was pulled from the comics, minus the bystanders and random people in the crowds, etc. Here's some other minor characters that are in the show from the comics:

Seymour O'Reilly, Dr. Bromwell, Seargent Stan Carter, Coach Smith, Dillbert Trilby, Dr Ted Twaki, Mayor Waters, Vincent Gonzales, etc.

Actually now that I think of it, the only character that didn't come from the comics was Bernard Houseman. He was Norman's butler and was a character they took from the Raimi-verse. Hmmm. So maybe, Hammerhead's chauffeur comes from one of the movies??

I forgot about Bernard. Add him to the mega list of Raimi inspired influences.
 
I forgot about Bernard. Add him to the mega list of Raimi inspired influences.

:up: I'm glad they pulled so much influence from Raimi. It's all over the place. Much of it comes in how they portrayed the origin of Spider-Man and the events surrounding the death of Uncle Ben, i.e. Peter and Ben talking in the car, the wrestling cage match, the robber stealing the winnings and Peter just letting him walk into the elevator, etc. Cause I think that Raimi took the origin story/Ben's death and both updated it and improved upon it.

Though I think that TSSM further improved upon what Raimi did. For example, Spidey kept his mask on during the entire scene so that Peter's identity remained a secret, he held the robber out the window and dropped him but webbed him for the cops, so, basically he lived, and TSSM did a better job with the retcon with the robber.
 
Yeah. Every character was pulled from the comics, minus the bystanders and random people in the crowds, etc. Here's some other minor characters that are in the show from the comics:

Seymour O'Reilly, Dr. Bromwell, Seargent Stan Carter, Coach Smith, Dillbert Trilby, Dr Ted Twaki, Mayor Waters, Vincent Gonzales, etc.
The good cop they didn't know how to write consistently and ended up being EVUHL.
When do they mention his name in the show?
 
:up: I'm glad they pulled so much influence from Raimi. It's all over the place. Much of it comes in how they portrayed the origin of Spider-Man and the events surrounding the death of Uncle Ben, i.e. Peter and Ben talking in the car, the wrestling cage match, the robber stealing the winnings and Peter just letting him walk into the elevator, etc. Cause I think that Raimi took the origin story/Ben's death and both updated it and improved upon it.

Though I think that TSSM further improved upon what Raimi did. For example, Spidey kept his mask on during the entire scene so that Peter's identity remained a secret, he held the robber out the window and dropped him but webbed him for the cops, so, basically he lived, and TSSM did a better job with the retcon with the robber.

Well in Raimi's case his identity remained a secret, too, because the robber died.
 
The good cop they didn't know how to write consistently and ended up being EVUHL.
When do they mention his name in the show?

Without watching the episodes again I can't say for sure they actually mention him by name but he is credited in the show. He first appears in episode 3 "Natural Selection" and can be seen in the Subway firing some rounds at the Lizard. He next appears in episode 9 of season 2, "Probable Cause." He and his cop partner are driving MJ and Mark Allan and they joke about it not being a ride along and more like a first date because of the attraction.

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Well in Raimi's case his identity remained a secret, too, because the robber died.

In Raimi's, Peter's face was exposed to the wrestling ring manager and the cop in the hallway chasing the robber. I prefer the TSSM version with him having the mask on and protecting his identity--same as in the comic version.
It's more a nitpick than anything. Raimi took the event(s) surrounding Ben's death and improved upon how it was written in 616, imo. I mean, it must have been seen as the 'better' version since Weisman and Cook decided to use essentially the exact same scenario with identical scenes for TSSM that Raimi made. Even the drawings of the environment and buildings match the set designs from SM1. Though they kinda merged Raimi with 616, i.e. keeping the mask on, the robber is webbed up and lives.
 
In Raimi's, Peter's face was exposed to the wrestling ring manager and the cop in the hallway chasing the robber. I prefer the TSSM version with him having the mask on and protecting his identity--same as in the comic version.
It's more a nitpick than anything. Raimi took the event(s) surrounding Ben's death and improved upon how it was written in 616, imo. I mean, it must have been seen as the 'better' version since Weisman and Cook decided to use essentially the exact same scenario with identical scenes for TSSM that Raimi made. Even the drawings of the environment and buildings match the set designs from SM1. Though they kinda merged Raimi with 616, i.e. keeping the mask on, the robber is webbed up and lives.

Ah but he was only Spider-Man in name only there (or the Human Spider as he wanted to be called til Bruce Campbell changed it lol). He didn't even have the proper Spider-Man costume yet. It was just regular clothes and a mask. I don't think he was identified as the one time wrestler who won a round.

So I never saw that as letting his identity slip.
 
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Ah but he was only Spider-Man in name only there (or the Human Spider as he wanted to be called til Bruce Campbell changed it lol). He didn't even have the proper Spider-Man costume yet. It was just regular clothes and a mask.

He must have liked Bruce's version better since he stuck with the name Spider-Man, lol.

In SM1, that's two people, a ring manager and a cop that both saw his mask-less face. Not the same outfit of course but his powers were on display during the wrestling match. It's not like those guys couldn't have put two and two together after seeing Spider-Man in the newspaper using webs and sticking to walls. Like I said, it's a nitpick and not a real issue but in this type of scenario I still prefer him having the mask on and protecting his identity.

I don't think he was identified as the one time wrestler who won a round.

Right. It was never brought up again in the movie. Alas, it's only a nitpick. I'm not trying to make anything more out of it :yay:
 
You know if they call the new Spider-Man movie "Spectacular" Spider-Man then this show will bosst back up in popularity. They might even take some elements from the show. Hopefully the Enforcers.
 
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