World "The Spectacular Spider-Man" Appreciation Thread (possible spoilers)

[bigdaddy313]

It didn't, Weisman left "Star War: Rebels" months ago.

Well deals can happen before the are announced to the public so their is that possibility.

It just so happens that it all took Place in a small period of time between both events.

 

[Silly Cat]

At least we had the greatest version of Green Goblin, and we had Mysterio.

As far as I am concerned Steve Blum IS the voice of the Green Goblin.

It's just a shame he couldn't have voiced Gobby more then those few episodes, nonetheless he was perfect. If they ever make an animated Spider-Man movie I would so want him back as the Goblin.

Oh and I love Mysterio too, his voice sort of made me laugh, but I liked the way they played up the fact that he was essentially an evil magician.

P.S. Sarcastic Fan, I like your avatar.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Nice post.
Welcome to the boards.

 

[Spider2099]

I'm dying for a Spider-Man animated movie in the spirit of TSSM.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I doubt that'll happen.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I listened to the first podcast and there were definitely some interesting tidbits. Weisman stated he was planning on using Kraven in the first season and had also planned on using both Kingpin and a guest appearance by Johnny Storm. Marvel felt that Kraven would be better suited for the second season, so he was pushed back. And because KP was tied to the DD franchise and because Storm was tied up as well, Weisman wasn't able to use either. He later commented that although he would have liked to use KP, the positive in not using him allowed for Tombstone to develop and the Big Man storyline to flourish.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

For better or for worse, I'm glad they did not use Kingpin.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

The Big Ma stuff was some of the best parts of the show. It took moderately unimpressive characters that haven't really been used a lot anymore & put them together into a memorable character.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

The Big Ma stuff was some of the best parts of the show. It took moderately unimpressive characters that haven't really been used a lot anymore & put them together into a memorable character.

I agree. Although I'm sure Greg would have no doubt used Kingpin to great effect, the Big Man storyline was stellar and I'm thankful that it turned out the way it did.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Greg Weisman did great job with all Spider-Man villains. Dr Octopus is my favourite. He do so many of Ock's best stories in this show. Master Planner one is my very favourite.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

As far as I am concerned Steve Blum IS the voice of the Green Goblin.

Would you say he is as iconic in that role as someone like Hamill's Joker?

Greg Weisman did great job with all Spider-Man villains. Dr Octopus is my favourite. He do so many of Ock's best stories in this show. Master Planner one is my very favourite.

I truly love Ock in this show. It's my favorite rendition of him outside the 616 world.

 

[Arachnid]

Would you say he is as iconic in that role as someone like Hamill's Joker?

He definitely had the potential to be as iconic as Hamill but with only 26 episodes he just couldn't get there. If it went on for a couple more seasons and Blum did a few more Spidey properties (maybe a couple video games) then for sure he'd be up there!

To me though he is just as iconic because when I think of the Goblin I think of his voice

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

He definitely had the potential to be as iconic as Hamill but with only 26 episodes he just couldn't get there. If it went on for a couple more seasons and Blum did a few more Spidey properties (maybe a couple video games) then for sure he'd be up there!

To me though he is just as iconic because when I think of the Goblin I think of his voice

I'd say he's reached it. Quantity isn't always necessary to become iconic. Quality gets you there just as well, if not better.

 

[The Joker]

No way did he reach it. Not even close. His voice is not nearly as iconic or acclaimed as Hamill's Joker. If you think I'm being biased (because of my username) we could go to the Misc TV forum or comic book movie forum and make a thread and ask people what they think.

 

[Shikamaru]

Quality wise, this Green Goblin was the totally the show's equivalent to Hamill's Joker imo. Truly menacing, and easily the best rendition of the character outside the comics.

And tbh, it felt very refreshing to not see the Kingpin. After how much he was overused in the 90's series, I really liked that we took a break from him.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

He definitely had the potential to be as iconic as Hamill but with only 26 episodes he just couldn't get there. If it went on for a couple more seasons and Blum did a few more Spidey properties (maybe a couple video games) then for sure he'd be up there!

To me though he is just as iconic because when I think of the Goblin I think of his voice

I agree to a point. I don't think quantity is a defining argument for how iconic someone is in a role. Would you say Ledger was iconic in his Joker performance? He only played the character once.

I'd say he's reached it. Quantity isn't always necessary to become iconic. Quality gets you there just as well, if not better.

I agree with the quality over quantity part but what makes you say Blum has reached the icon status?

No way did he reach it. His voice is not nearly as iconic or acclaimed as Hamill's Joker. If you think I'm being biased (because of my username) we could go to the Misc TV forum or comic book movie forum and make a thread and ask people what they think.

As acclaimed or iconic as Hamill? No, I'd say he didn't reach that level. However, I feel that Blum made a defining performance as Goblin. He encompassed everything about the character that I love--the insanity, the playfulness, humor, the aggression, etc. And if we're talking about all the other Goblins both animated and live action, he is with out a doubt the most memorable. Not sure that qualifies as being an icon but it was enough that when I am reading comics, I hear his voice.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Quality wise, this Green Goblin was the totally the show's equivalent to Hamill's Joker imo. Truly menacing, and easily the best rendition of the character outside the comics.

I agree. His performance was brilliant and is memorable. In that vein, he is on par with Hamill.

But would you say he reached the icon status? I'm not so sure I can say that with certainty.

 

[The Joker]

As acclaimed or iconic as Hamill? No, I'd say he didn't reach that level. However, I feel that Blum made a defining performance as Goblin. He encompassed everything about the character that I love--the insanity, the playfulness, humor, the aggression, etc. And if we're talking about all the other Goblins both animated and live action, he is with out a doubt the most memorable. Not sure that qualifies as being an icon but it was enough that when I am reading comics, I hear his voice.

Both. Personally I think Blum is the definitive Goblin voice, and the SSM Goblin is the best presentation of the character outside the comics. But Steve Blum's vocal performance (as well as the character itself) isn't even close to the level of acclaim or iconic status Mark Hamill's Joker has. You could argue that part of the reason it's not is because of the limited number of episodes Blum got. If BTAS stopped at 26 episodes like SSM did, there's no way Hamill would be as iconic or acclaimed as he is today. He got to sink his teeth into many more great episodes, not to mention several animated movies, and video games, too.

Blum as far as I know has only voiced a Goblin character once outside SSM, and that was in that Shattered Dimensions video game. I don't recall any high praise being sung for that. I don't think even many realized it was SSM Goblin voice being used. Whereas when Mark Hamill lends his Joker voice anywhere, fans latch onto it right away with glee. Because it's iconic.

Mark is almost as famous for doing the Joker now as he is for Luke Skywalker. And vice versa. When fans think of Joker you can bet most of them think of him and Heath Ledger. Heath more so with general audiences, like I'd say Willem Dafoe is with them for the Goblin. But with the Comic fans, it's Mark and Heath. Before Heath it was mainly Mark. Nicholson, good as he was, never had the impact on the fan base that Heath and Mark have had.

But Steve Blum hasn't gotten any kind of fame like that for being Green Goblin. Anyone who thinks he has reached Hamill's iconic status, no offense to them but they are kidding themselves. I am willing to take this to a more neutral forum and make a topic about it to prove it.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Both. Personally I think Blum is the definitive Goblin voice, and the SSM Goblin is the best presentation of the character outside the comics. But Steve Blum's vocal performance (as well as the character itself) isn't even close to the level of acclaim or iconic status Mark Hamill's Joker has. You could argue that part of the reason it's not is because of the limited number of episodes Blum got. If BTAS stopped at 26 episodes like SSM did, there's no way Hamill would be as iconic or acclaimed as he is today. He got to sink his teeth into many more great episodes, not to mention several animated movies, and video games, too.

Blum as far as I know has only voiced a Goblin character once outside SSM, and that was in that Shattered Dimensions video game. I don't recall any high praise being sung for that. I don't think even many realized it was SSM Goblin voice being used. Whereas when Mark Hamill lends his Joker voice anywhere, fans latch onto it right away with glee. Because it's iconic.

Mark is almost as famous for doing the Joker now as he is for Luke Skywalker. And vice versa. When fans think of Joker you can bet most of them think of him and Heath Ledger. Heath more so with general audiences, like I'd say Willem Dafoe is with them for the Goblin. But with the Comic fans, it's Mark and Heath. Before Heath it was mainly Mark. Nicholson, good as he was, never had the impact on the fan base that Heath and Mark have had.

But Steve Blum hasn't gotten any kind of fame like that for being Green Goblin. Anyone who thinks he has reached Hamill's iconic status, no offense to them but they are kidding themselves. I am willing to take this to a more neutral forum and make a topic about it to prove it.

I really don't think taking this to a neutral forum is needed to prove something I already know. Hamill is an icon. Blum is not. Though I'd be willing to listen to those that have the opinion that Blum is an icon--I'd like to hear some convincing arguments.

I'm glad you agree that Blum made a defining performance with his GG and of course that his GG is the best rendition outside of 616. But it's interesting to hear you say that he could have reached the same status as Hamill in regards to being an icon if he only had more 'appearances' as the GG. So basically what you're saying is that the quality of the performance was indeed there, it's just that there wasn't enough of it. Am I understanding that correctly? I'm not sure that quantity is the issue though--but maybe it has more to do with exposure and somehow that is tied into the quantity. Like you say, Hamill may not have reached the icon status without as many episodes and of course the games and what not. I may have to agree with you there.

And on the topic of the Joker. Heath and Hamill are definitely my top two, with Hamill in the lead. Especially since I am currently in a rewatch of the entire B:TAS series...my goodness, he is just awesome in the role. It's difficult to think anyone is able to top that performance. I actually feel the same about Blum though--brilliant, defining and memorable performance as GG.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

I really don't think taking this to a neutral forum is needed to prove something I already know. Hamill is an icon. Blum is not. Though I'd be willing to listen to those that have the opinion that Blum is an icon--I'd like to hear some convincing arguments.

I'm glad you agree that Blum made a defining performance with his GG and of course that his GG is the best rendition outside of 616. But it's interesting to hear you say that he could have reached the same status as Hamill in regards to being an icon if he only had more 'appearances' as the GG. So basically what you're saying is that the quality of the performance was indeed there, it's just that there wasn't enough of it. Am I understanding that correctly? I'm not sure that quantity is the issue though--but maybe it has more to do with exposure and somehow that is tied into the quantity. Like you say, Hamill may not have reached the icon status without as many episodes and of course the games and what not. I may have to agree with you there.

And on the topic of the Joker. Heath and Hamill are definitely my top two, with Hamill in the lead. Especially since I am currently in a rewatch of the entire B:TAS series...my goodness, he is just awesome in the role. It's difficult to think anyone is able to top that performance. I actually feel the same about Blum though--brilliant, defining and memorable performance as GG.

Sometimes I wonder how things would have gone if Fox didn't make them fire Tim Curry as the voice of Joker.

 

[The Joker]

I really don't think taking this to a neutral forum is needed to prove something I already know. Hamill is an icon. Blum is not. Though I'd be willing to listen to those that have the opinion that Blum is an icon--I'd like to hear some convincing arguments.

I'm glad you agree that Blum made a defining performance with his GG and of course that his GG is the best rendition outside of 616. But it's interesting to hear you say that he could have reached the same status as Hamill in regards to being an icon if he only had more 'appearances' as the GG. So basically what you're saying is that the quality of the performance was indeed there, it's just that there wasn't enough of it. Am I understanding that correctly? I'm not sure that quantity is the issue though--but maybe it has more to do with exposure and somehow that is tied into the quantity. Like you say, Hamill may not have reached the icon status without as many episodes and of course the games and what not. I may have to agree with you there.

And on the topic of the Joker. Heath and Hamill are definitely my top two, with Hamill in the lead. Especially since I am currently in a rewatch of the entire B:TAS series...my goodness, he is just awesome in the role. It's difficult to think anyone is able to top that performance. I actually feel the same about Blum though--brilliant, defining and memorable performance as GG.

The neutral forum suggestion wasn't for your benefit, it was for those who actually believe Blum's vocal work with the Goblin is as iconic as Hamill's with the Joker.

Blum, like the SSM cartoon, had the potential to really hit the heights. We saw the potential there. When a lot of fans find a cartoon that lasted a mere 26 episodes to be the best adaption of Spider-Man (more than five multi million dollar movies, and several other cartoon series, too), it's easy to see the potential it had if had continued to the 65 episodes they were originally striving for. Blum could have become Spidey's Mark Hamill. So yes you are understanding me correctly. Blum did great with the handful of episodes he got, but he needed more material and more exposure to really get to Mark Hamill's heights icon and acclaim wise. Hamill got to show a lot more diversity because he got so many episodes and variety of stories. He even got to go darker than the limits of the Saturday morning cartoon would allow him, when he did the animated movies and the acclaimed Arkham games.

That goes for Kevin Conroy as Batman, too. Josh Keaton is definitely a fan favorite, but a lot of people love Chris Barnes best, too. But with Batman, it's almost unanimous that Conroy is the best Batman voice. That's because Conroy, aside from being a great voice, got to show his range with it so much.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Sometimes I wonder how things would have gone if Fox didn't make them fire Tim Curry as the voice of Joker.

Make them fire Curry? Why'd they do that?

Curry is a great actor and I'm sure his performance as the Joker would have been great as well. But after hearing Hamill, not so sure Curry could top it. I don't know why Curry was canned, obviously, but it sounds like fate to me.

The neutral forum suggestion wasn't for your benefit, it was for those who actually believe Blum's vocal work with the Goblin is as iconic as Hamill's with the Joker.

Understood

Blum, like the SSM cartoon, had the potential to really hit the heights. We saw the potential there. When a lot of fans find a cartoon that lasted a mere 26 episodes to be the best adaption of Spider-Man (more than five multi million dollar movies, and several other cartoon series, too), it's easy to see the potential it had if had continued to the 65 episodes they were originally striving for. Blum could have become Spidey's Mark Hamill. So yes you are understanding me correctly. Blum did great with the handful of episodes he got, but he needed more material and more exposure to really get to Mark Hamill's heights icon and acclaim wise. Hamill got to show a lot more diversity because he got so many episodes and variety of stories. He even got to go darker than the limits of the Saturday morning cartoon would allow him, when he did the animated movies and the acclaimed Arkham games.

That goes for Kevin Conroy as Batman, too. Josh Keaton is definitely a fan favorite, but a lot of people love Chris Barnes best, too. But with Batman, it's almost unanimous that Conroy is the best Batman voice. That's because Conroy, aside from being a great voice, got to show his range with it so much.

I think you have a good explanation here about Blum. I agree that with the ability to do more episodes and show a bit more diversity, he could have reached the icon status. It's still pretty impressive to me that he was able to make such an impression even with the limited amount of episodes he was shown--though you could say the same thing about TSSM in general. Both very capable of reaching a much higher status. Just more depressing thoughts to add onto the pile of this show getting canceled too early.

I'd like to argue that Keaton has reached an icon status with his voicework. But it's probably more about my own personal views--imo he did a much better job at being Peter, Spider-Man and Peter's internal monologue moreso than any other voice actor or live action actor for that matter. Again, like Blum, Keaton gave a defining performance and I think someone could have an easier time making a case for JK in reaching icon. Tough one though. I'm not even sure I am able to make a convincing enough argument. IMO, when you rank the voice acting for Spider-Man, spots one two and three are reserved for JK.

 

[Silly Cat]

Nice post.
Welcome to the boards.

Thanks, it's good to be here. t:

Would you say he is as iconic in that role as someone like Hamill's Joker?

Well I personally feel he is THE voice of the Green Goblin.

However it is not fair to compare him to Hamill.

Because Hamill has voice the Joker for... God knows how many years now?

I mean the man has voiced the Joker in not just the Animated Show but in Spin-Off films (Mask of the Phantasm, Return of the Joker) and in games (Arkham Series) I mean Hamill has been voicing Joker for well over a decade now, children have grown up with his Joker.

OF COURSE he's iconic, he's had years and years to cement his Joker voice into the minds of the public.

While Steve Blum has only voiced Gobby for a few episodes of a show that got unfairly canned after it's second season.

Not comparable.

Personally I feel Blum's Goblin COULD have become as famous as Hamill's Joker, but he just wasn't given the opportunity. If the show had continued Blum could have kept voicing the Goblin and eventually done Spin-Off films, and maybe games, and his Goblin could have become more famous as the years went on, sadly that wasn't to be.

However just the fact that some of us mention him in the same breath as Hamills Joker and put him on the same level talent wise (I personally do) is a testament to how AWESOME Steve Blum was voicing the role.

Like it or not the man did make an impression...maybe not so much to the general public but definitely to those of us who were fans of the show and Green Goblin/Spider-Man fans in general.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Quality wise, this Green Goblin was the totally the show's equivalent to Hamill's Joker imo. Truly menacing, and easily the best rendition of the character outside the comics.

And tbh, it felt very refreshing to not see the Kingpin. After how much he was overused in the 90's series, I really liked that we took a break from him.

Agreed, but he not as iconic as Hamill Joker. Hamill Joker very famous and more praised or acclaimed is word I think than any villain in a comic cartoon.

I am also happy no Kingpin in this show. Tombstone was great substitute.

Sometimes I wonder how things would have gone if Fox didn't make them fire Tim Curry as the voice of Joker.

Fox? I thought Warner Bros did Batman cartoon in 90's.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Batman the Animated Series originally aired on Fox Kids, and was one of that network's big guns. Apparantly, as I understand it, Fox asked for the re-casting because they already had Tim Curry voicing Captain Hook in "Peter Pan and the Pirates" (Curry even won an Emmy for it), and they wanted the Joker to sound more unique.