The Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 60

[flickchick85]

All these DC movies being ruined by Twister's towering shadow. First Man of Steel, now this.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

No hate, but man am I desperate to know what evoked Twister. A movie I was unaware anyone had thought about in twenty years until I learned they were inexplicably making a legacy sequel.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Speaking of Twister, shout out to anyone here who lives in a place that’s tornado prone. Those damn things are nightmare fuel for my New Yorker ass.



Hell no.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wade’s s***-talking is perpetually ruined by Reynold’s try-hard “I think I’m hilarious” deliveries. He is terminally unfunny to me, and always has been.

Tom Hardy, meanwhile, is genuinely hilarious to me and just wildly fun to watch as a performer. So while the Deadpool movies are technically better-written and better-crafted movies, I’ll always enjoy the Venom flicks more. That’s the power of a charismatic lead, I guess.

I'm one who likes both. Well, Reynolds as Deadpool. It's no contest. Hardy is a much better actor, who's much better in the role.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No hate, but man am I desperate to know what evoked Twister. A movie I was unaware anyone had thought about in twenty years until I learned they were inexplicably making a legacy sequel.

Which I'll be watching in theaters, because I'm a weak person.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just saw on wiki that Twisters has a 200m budget.

 

[Ninjablade]

All these DC movies being ruined by Twister's towering shadow. First Man of Steel, now this.

Maybe it should continue. That's the funniest DCEU scene and The Batman rules. So it's a win for everyone

 

[Kane52630]

No matter what happens in the Twister sequel, I don't think it'll ever top what I saw in Hurricane Heist where it was straight-up cloud Galactus from Rise of the Silver Surfer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I find the reactions to the two Venom movies interesting. While they have obvious issues, especially the first one (takes itself a bit too seriously at times), they also have some raw artistry on display. Some soul. Very gay soul. And that's one thing the majority of the MCU lacks.

So much of the MCU is paint by numbers, and while I understand the argument that it is necessary for wider audiences (who have figured it out), doesn't change the artistic merit of the work. So having a functioning, but threadbare, plot, with very little character outside of the same attempt at trying to recapture the magic of 70s/80s Lucas and Spielberg. All basically working through well cast leads.

This is why when MCU decides to add an LGBTQIA+ character, they do it like the story was directed by Mormons. While Venom turns it into their take on Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but gay. Well, gayer.

 

[Drizzle]

You don't remember when a tornado killed Bruce's parents?

Tornadoes are a cowardly and superstitious lot.

 

[Luigi]

I just saw on wiki that Twisters has a 200m budget.

It's not cheap to make cows fly.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I've watched The Batman again -- I'm trying hard to love or enjoy it, but I can't. Like I've said again, the casting isn't the problem but the story and tone is. The grittier-than-Nolan approach rubs me the wrong way (Pattinson's opening voiceover is hilarious), Giacchino's score repeats the main theme incessantly and the film is 20-30 minutes too long. And the chase sequence between Batman and Penguin comes off as Nolan-meets-Snyder action -- I didn't find it exciting but derivative of TDK and Twister of all movies! I do appreciate what the production was trying to do but I hope the sequel is sleeker and better.

I would've liked Reeves' approach had he done a lighter touch like the Timm-Dini animated series. Still serious but not MCU forced humor.

 

[Hurm...]

I do find Reeves' dialogue to be pretty bad. I do really like The Batman as a movie, but the dialogue/voiceover felt overwritten.

 

[emielaen]

Nah.

 

[Kane52630]

It's a detective noir story, of course it's got a ton of dialogue.

 

[Bayne]

Re: Reynolds and Hardy

I agree Tom Hardy is a better actor then Reynolds, but the wrting in the Venom movies is abysmal. He tries his damndest but there's only so much he can do. I don't find those films funny in the least

On Reynolds, I've enjoyed him in various parts, but moreso when he's allowed to have range. DP1 I thought he showed some range and wasn't schticky the whooole time... The scenes dealing with the cancer early on I thought were pretty great. DP2 he didn't get to do that as much. (And Deapool the character I also think is better when he's not a non-stop joke machine, ala Remender's Uncanny X-Force (still one of the best X-Books ever imo)) But I also thought the Adam Project and Free Guy were pretty great, Adam Project especially I thought he played really sweet and not his typical "hey look at how funny I am" thing.

That said, if he never tells anybody to "gogogogogogogogogogogo" again I'd be cool with it lol

This is exactly how I feel about it. Hardy is the better actor but that absolutely does not help Venom much at all.

Reynolds may be overexposed and too often shticky, but when he goes beyond that, like in DP or FG, he's still pretty damn good.

 

[BoredGuy]

I find the reactions to the two Venom movies interesting. While they have obvious issues, especially the first one (takes itself a bit too seriously at times), they also have some raw artistry on display. Some soul. Very gay soul. And that's one thing the majority of the MCU lacks.

So much of the MCU is paint by numbers, and while I understand the argument that it is necessary for wider audiences (who have figured it out), doesn't change the artistic merit of the work. So having a functioning, but threadbare, plot, with very little character outside of the same attempt at trying to recapture the magic of 70s/80s Lucas and Spielberg. All basically working through well cast leads.

This is why when MCU decides to add an LGBTQIA+ character, they do it like the story was directed by Mormons. While Venom turns it into their take on Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but gay. Well, gayer.

Idk, haven't watched Carnage
but on the first movie I feel like you're vastly overstating its artistry
any lgbt+ elements are subtext only, and its not some bizarre artsy cartoonish piece of subversive cinema
it's an early 2000's superhero movie where the lead actor took a bit of a swing

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

How we feel about the Madame Web poster y’all?



Her web connects us… all.

 

[DA_Champion]

What it comes down to Venom for me is that it was a fun movie. Good action, visuals, and jokes.

Other than that it gave something we don't get from Marvel movies. It's about a regular and relatable guy who is down on his luck trying to navigate a difficult world. Marvel movies, and DC movies, are about gods and goddesses. People who are perfect in every way ("billionaire, playboy, philanthropist, inventor" etc) overcoming simple challenged by flicking their fingers.

In that sense they're different kinds of wish fulfillment fantasies.

 

[DA_Champion]

How we feel about the Madame Web poster y’all?

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Her web connects us… all.

Madame Web has a nice poster. I would likely be entertained, but I'll only be buying Sony's streaming service if Verizon offers it for cheap like they do Disney+, Netflix, and Max.

[Though their cheap offer for Netflix and MAx is with ads, so I didn't take them up on it.]

 

[DA_Champion]

I've watched The Batman again -- I'm trying hard to love or enjoy it, but I can't. Like I've said again, the casting isn't the problem but the story and tone is. The grittier-than-Nolan approach rubs me the wrong way (Pattinson's opening voiceover is hilarious), Giacchino's score repeats the main theme incessantly and the film is 20-30 minutes too long. And the chase sequence between Batman and Penguin comes off as Nolan-meets-Snyder action -- I didn't find it exciting but derivative of TDK and Twister of all movies! I do appreciate what the production was trying to do but I hope the sequel is sleeker and better.

I would've liked Reeves' approach had he done a lighter touch like the Timm-Dini animated series. Still serious but not MCU forced humor.

There's clearly something about director Matthew Reeves that prevents him from being a greater success. Audiences were also bored by his planet of the apes movies, which I personally enjoyed. I like his movies, but the reality is that his work simply doesn't resonate with people.

 

[Batgirl0202]

I've watched The Batman again -- I'm trying hard to love or enjoy it, but I can't. Like I've said again, the casting isn't the problem but the story and tone is. The grittier-than-Nolan approach rubs me the wrong way (Pattinson's opening voiceover is hilarious), Giacchino's score repeats the main theme incessantly and the film is 20-30 minutes too long. And the chase sequence between Batman and Penguin comes off as Nolan-meets-Snyder action -- I didn't find it exciting but derivative of TDK and Twister of all movies! I do appreciate what the production was trying to do but I hope the sequel is sleeker and better.

I would've liked Reeves' approach had he done a lighter touch like the Timm-Dini animated series. Still serious but not MCU forced humor.

Perhaps the DCEU and Twister all existed in the same universe?

 

[Ninjablade]

Huh? His Ape movies were both successes and met with plenty of praise, and The Batman was a massive hit. That's a strange conclusion to come to considering how popular a lot of his work is, even when you go back to his earlier work like Cloverfield.

 

[DA_Champion]

Huh? His Ape movies were both successes and met with plenty of praise, and The Batman was a massive hit. That's a strange conclusion to come to considering how popular a lot of his work is, even when you go back to his earlier work like Cloverfield.

Reeves' movies hit but not mega hits. Thy also don't seem to leave much of a lasting impact.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Idk, haven't watched Carnage
but on the first movie I feel like you're vastly overstating its artistry
any lgbt+ elements are subtext only, and its not some bizarre artsy cartoonish piece of subversive cinema
it's an early 2000's superhero movie where the lead actor took a bit of a swing

I've also only seen the first but I'm with you on that I'm only seeing an early 2000's superhero film, and not a particularly well-written one (although I guess I can give it credit for not being "turd in the wind" level all the way through). Hardy does his best but that's pretty much all the film has for me.

As for any lgbt+ elements I didn't get any such vibes from that film, and if those elements refer to Eddie and Venom it feels like it may be for the best that I didn't as that relationship clearly starts without consent, and the dominating part wearing the other one down. It's fine as a wacky odd couple trope but linking that to a romantic relationship gives me icky vibes.