The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread* - Part 61

[Pennywise]

 

[kguillou]

The first Joker wasnt a critical darling either. Its just barely fresh on Rotten Tomatoes so this score is pretty much in line with the first one.

 

[Zarex]

I do want fantastical one day, preferable in the next non Reeves film. I feel we’ve had amazing grounded versions from the whole Nolan era and what we’ve had and what we’ll get from the Reevesverse (including the Penguin show). I’d love to see something like Arkham City in live action (a show if needed).

I will never fully understand why Nolan & Reeves, two directors known for creating films with outrageous sci-fi and fantasy elements, both drew the line at giving Batman an antagonist with enhanced refrigeration abilities.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Mr Freeze I think can easily have a freeze gun and such while not making it too far Sci-Fi. Just make him a military scientist or contracting with the military or something and give him an experimental freeze gun. It doesn't need to shoot literal blue beams, it can just looks like a fire extinguisher and freeze things like liquid nitrogen. That would be fine. I think it can be believable enough

 

[Zarex]

Mr Freeze I think can easily have a freeze gun and such while not making it too far Sci-Fi. Just make him a military scientist or contracting with the military or something and give him an experimental freeze gun. It doesn't need to shoot literal blue beams, it can just looks like a fire extinguisher and freeze things like liquid nitrogen. That would be fine. I think it can be believable enough

But even if Reeves does give us a relatively realistic Fries, it still seems odd to me that those two fellas needed Batman to be grim, grounded and gritty given their respective cinematic track records. A big reason I didn't like the Dark Knight series nearly as much as I was supposed to was because I felt it went less comicbooky for the sequel, and I wanted more with all the essential origin stuff out of the way. It seems Reeves is going the same route with Bruce, at least until Gunn gets his hands on him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But even if Reeves does give us a relatively realistic Fries, it still seems odd to me that those two fellas needed Batman to be grim, grounded and gritty given their respective cinematic track records. A big reason I didn't like the Dark Knight series nearly as much as I was supposed to was because I felt it went less comicbooky for the sequel, and I wanted more with all the essential origin stuff out of the way. It seems Reeves is going the same route with Bruce, at least until Gunn gets his hands on him.

I dont really have a horse in the realism debate for Batman. I mostly care about the execution of the ideas, and I do think at least BB, TDK, and TB work in that realm (TDKR doesn't work for me, but again that's cause of story issues and such for me). I would gladly watch something with Batman jumping on a giant type writer or fighting a Kaiju sized Clayface if the movie is well done.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It’s just frustrating to me that these creatives refuse to expand their imaginations for a grown man that dresses as a bat. As if that concept alone is grounded in reality.

Give us fantastical elements. We’ve been deprived for too long.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Why stop there? Make it so grounded that Bruce is grounded in his room at home when his parents get killed. And when he grows up, instead of parading the roof tops, he fights injustice in the board room, serving justice to all the loyal shareholders

This can be the next gritty Todd Phillips “I’m ashamed of comics but let’s use the names and labels to trick regular folks into seeing this” film

 

[Drizzle]

We just gotta sit through his sex jokes and Damian Wayne to get them.

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[Shinobi Shaw]

Well I hope they took you out to dinner after, Old boy.

 

[Drizzle]

Well I hope they took you out to dinner after, Old boy.

That's going to be an actual conversation between Bruce and Damian in The Brave and the Bold.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

That's going to be an actual conversation between Bruce and Damian in The Brave and the Bold.

Of course! Complete with a Batusi dance.

 

[Filmfreak]

It’s just frustrating to me that these creatives refuse to expand their imaginations for a grown man that dresses as a bat. As if that concept alone is grounded in reality.

Give us fantastical elements. We’ve been deprived for too long.

Technically the DCEU Batman had those and I'm sure the DCU will feature even more. That's why I prefer Reeves to continue with a more grounded approach and refrain from completely fantastical elements. That and because they would now feel out of place after The Batman.

 

[Drizzle]

Of course! Complete with a Batusi dance.

Clooney's Batman would never have let Damian happen with all of his presumable Bat-contraceptives he has stashed in his utility belt next to his Bat-credit card.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Technically the DCEU Batman had those and I'm sure the DCU will feature even more. That's why I prefer Reeves to continue with a more grounded approach and refrain from completely fantastical elements. That and because they would now feel out of place after The Batman.

But therein lies my problem. I’d much rather see a live action Batman with fantastical elements with a creative like Reeves at the helm. The supernatural wouldn’t necessarily feel out of place, it would just be a different facet of this world.

 

[Drizzle]

As it stands, I think the most outlandish stuff we're ever likely to see in the Reeves Batverse as far as fantastical elements go are if he decides to adapt Scarecrow because you know the fear toxin hallucinations would go above and beyond.

I think there's room for characters like Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy in the Reeves movies, their powers would just be toned down a bit.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

You have a significant portion of Gotham City submerged under water, and the sequel picks up shortly after Halloween….. which means winter is right there. That’s how you do Freeze. It’s right there.

 

[Filmfreak]

You have a significant portion of Gotham City submerged under water, and the sequel picks up shortly after Halloween….. which means winter is right there. That’s how you do Freeze. It’s right there.

Aren't they going to solve the water issues in The Penguin series though?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Well that sucks if so

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Call me crazy but hear me out:

With Gotham submerged and being reconstructed, in my mind I had an idea for Arkham City. That way you can do multiple rogues again.

 

[Spider-Fan]

For a disaster like Gotham suffered, I think that would linger for a while. Lots of property damage, economic ramifications, etc. That's not something I think will be entirely fixed by time next one comes out. I assume The Batman Part II will still be dealing with the fallout

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Drizzle]

That makes sense. I really thought this was going to be releasing on Thursdays but the prime HBO Sunday night spot is much better for this.