The Superman Look: Shaping Superman

[Brainiac 2009]

Pure BS..

You originally said this; "Once again then why did Lois NOT AGE?
She should be a much older woman if not dead all together when he gets back"

These basic sci-fi conventions for lightspeed/warp travel have been in the genre for ages; from Star Trek to Star Wars. Example from DS9 (since it was a show I watched as a kid); How come the people on Earth arent way older when Starfleet officers come back to Earth from the DS9 space station (thousands of lightyears away)? The USS Defiant has a lightspeed/warp drive system, what makes you think Kal-El doesnt have one as advanced.

This has been used in the comics too btw; in Infinite Crisis the GL core used their ships to actually go to the remains of Krypton. Upon returning to Earth, time didnt pass so rapidly that the characters had dramatically aged or died, time had passed normally.

Superman also went to Krypton in TAS' "A Little Girl Lost" and the same conventions regarding warp speed were in place.

Clark should have got back to a world much much older then the one he returned to, and that's just the FACTS..

Technically he did. He left at the age of 28 and returned around 32/33 agewise, but because he was frozen in stasis....he still looked late 20s upon return. Thats a fact.

Same deal with Kara Zor-El in the comics, if not for her 30 some years in stasis, she'd be 40 something today and way older than Kal-El.

lol by the way you really think that it took him 3 years to get here 1way but it took him only 5 to get there, and come back? pffffffffffffff please!
Those numbers don't even add up right!..

The ship wasnt even the same ship that brought him to Earth in STM, look at it. Youre comparing the speed of a ship on par with an 'escape pod' or 'shuttle' that brought him to Earth, to a full on spaceship.

Wrong there is nothing vague about this sequel it was a sequel point blank the only reason Vague was thrown out there was because they didn't like the feedback the movie was getting on the net.

There is nothing Vague about the movie when every event that took place in the first two movies are used as the back story for this one.

Like Lois spending the night with Superman which she wrote the article on or the fact that she had a baby due to them having sex in part 2.
Oh, and how Lex spent years in jail after Superman took him in at the end of Part 2.

This is no vague sequel it's just a badly done Superman 3... Which by the way is a far better movie then SR.
Heck Superman 4 was a better movie! lol Atleast that had a couple of Brilliant actors in "Reeve/Hackman."

SR had an MTV reject, and a guy who can't buy a hit film since American beauty!

Oh, and how I would see it is Superman The movie is Earth 1 since it happened first... Man you are confused lol!..

Now youre just talking ****. The vague sequel plan was announced as the film was being scripted for goodness sakes.

And read the comics, I was tributing the fact that the JSA Earth which appeared first in the comics in history took on the name 'Earth 2' despite coming first with the current universe at the time taking on the name 'Earth 1'..... hence 'Earth 2'/Golden Age Superman in Infinite Crisis.

But but Routh doesn't look old enough for the role he was playing!
If he was playing YOUNG SUPERMAN or SMALLVILLE's Superman then fine he would be the right age.But he's playing a Superman who became Superman at 30, and was gone for 5 years after being around as Superman for a few years.
He should be pushing 40, and not look young enough to still card when he goes out for drinks or to buy smokes.!..

Do you have A.D.D. or something or did you miss everything discussed in this thread so far? He didnt become Superman at 30 in this timeline and hes not currently 40. Stop talking out of your ass and just watch the DVD special and check the newspaper dates that Singer and Co. mapped out before you talk nonsense.

Tom Welling already looks older then Routh, and he already looks older then he did when the show first started 6 years ago.
Welling doesn't fit the part also if it's a sequel to Superman 2.
Why? Because he looks his age which is close to 30... Routh looks alot younger then his age, and I mean ALOT younger!.

Back in reality, I dont think this man would get carded in a club;

How much older does he need to look to pass for late 20s? Ive seen loads of people in their late 20s who look younger than that.

To be honest... Welling was my top choice because I thought he was already an established face to the character, and believe me part of the reason the movie failed at the box office was because Welling wasn't in the suit.

The movie probably would have failed if it was Smallville the movie. Its a cult show better left on television. The cheesiness of yesterday's episode proved that.

I will say Brandon left a much better first impression here than Welling did in Season One, Tom was horrible. But he has improved over the 6 years, Brandon only had some months. But I can see alot of potental in Brandon. The best part is that he reads the boards and knows what fans want of him in the future. I doubt you could get that from any other actor. Brandon is also a fan of the genre.

 

[FanboyX_Returns]

You originally said this; "Once again then why did Lois NOT AGE?
She should be a much older woman if not dead all together when he gets back"

These basic sci-fi conventions for lightspeed/warp travel have been in the genre for ages; from Star Trek to Star Wars. Example from DS9 (since it was a show I watched as a kid); How come the people on Earth arent way older when Starfleet officers come back to Earth from the DS9 space station (thousands of lightyears away)? The USS Defiant has a lightspeed/warp drive system, what makes you think Kal-El doesnt have one as advanced.

Just because they use Warp in Star Trek or Star Wars doesn't mean that it's now a part of the Superman cannon.
While yes some non cannon superman stuff might have something like Warp it's not part of the storyline here.

There is a reason why he has that type of tech in those story's, and this storyline just doesn't follow the same path as those, and "Warp Speed" has not ever been seen in a Superman movie.

But Light Speed has...

This has been used in the comics too btw; in Infinite Crisis the GL core used their ships to actually go to the remains of Krypton. Upon returning to Earth, time didnt pass so rapidly that the characters had dramatically aged or died, time had passed normally.

Superman also went to Krypton in TAS' "A Little Girl Lost" and the same conventions regarding warp speed were in place.

Yeah I know Ive seen that episode, and Singer was very un-original in his script he took storylines from all over the place, and put them together, and then the only original thing he does is give Superman a son!
A bad original idea at that........ But while yes "Warp" type travel has been used in both TAS, and I-C still doesn't explain why Clark would leave earth to find krypton when Jor El himself says that a "1000 years have passed" on "Earth time" in the time it took for young Kal El to go from Krypton to Earth.

Making Singer's Superman going to see if Krypton was still there after Jor El told him it was gone look like the dumbest alien on earth!

Technically he did. He left at the age of 28 and returned around 32/33 agewise, but because he was frozen in stasis....he still looked late 20s upon return. Thats a fact.

Singer said that Superman was mid to late 20's in his SR movie, and not 32 or 33.

The ship wasnt even the same ship that brought him to Earth in STM, look at it. Youre comparing the speed of a ship on par with an 'escape pod' or 'shuttle' that brought him to Earth, to a full on spaceship.

Yea I know it's not the same ship...

Now youre just talking ****. The vague sequel plan was announced as the film was being scripted for goodness sakes.

And read the comics, I was tributing the fact that the JSA Earth which appeared first in the comics in history took on the name 'Earth 2' despite coming first with the current universe at the time taking on the name 'Earth 1'..... hence 'Earth 2'/Golden Age Superman in Infinite Crisis.

"Vague Sequel" is a cop out, and when you use Marlon Brando as Jor-EL this becomes more then Vague.
It's a sequel point blank the whole Vague stuff is thrown out as a way to explain the stuff that was re-written from the past movie's storyline.
But when you borrow as much as this movie did the words "Vague" loses all meaning.

Do you have A.D.D. or something or did you miss everything discussed in this thread so far? He didnt become Superman at 30 in this timeline and hes not currently 40. Stop talking out of your ass and just watch the DVD special and check the newspaper dates that Singer and Co. mapped out before you talk nonsense.

Yes I know that singer screwed up the time line of when he became Superman...
A Dumb move when you throw in all the backstory, and the history of the character from the first two movies.
can you really believe that Singer's Superman was a 27 year old who has been away for 5 years, and has a history with Lois, and has been around for a long time.

Back in reality, I dont think this man would get carded in a club;

How much older does he need to look to pass for late 20s? Ive seen loads of people in their late 20s who look younger than that.

The movie probably would have failed if it was Smallville the movie. Its a cult show better left on television. The cheesiness of yesterday's episode proved that.

I will say Brandon left a much better first impression here than Welling did in Season One, Tom was horrible. But he has improved over the 6 years, Brandon only had some months. But I can see alot of potental in Brandon. The best part is that he reads the boards and knows what fans want of him in the future. I doubt you could get that from any other actor. Brandon is also a fan of the genre.

All just your opinions buddy, and from the fact that the movie failed to really capture the fanbase, and they lost money on a movie that should have brought in Spiderman money or atleast Spiderman 2 money I would put my money on the fact that overall Brandon didn't leave a very good first impression... Neither did the movie itself.

I know it didn't with me.... But that's just MY opinion.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

Singer said that Superman was mid to late 20's in his SR movie, and not 32 or 33..

Appeared late 20s, the same way Kara Zor-El appeared 16.... but technically neither of them are the age they appear because of the years lost while in stasis.

"Vague Sequel" is a cop out, and when you use Marlon Brando as Jor-EL this becomes more then Vague.
It's a sequel point blank the whole Vague stuff is thrown out as a way to explain the stuff that was re-written from the past movie's storyline.
But when you borrow as much as this movie did the words "Vague" loses all meaning...

Thats your opinion. Again the vague sequel was planned out from the very beginning of this project and I cant view this as a direct sequel when so much of the SR origins and backstory clashes with the Donner version.

Yes I know that singer screwed up the time line of when he became Superman...
A Dumb move when you throw in all the backstory, and the history of the character from the first two movies.
can you really believe that Singer's Superman was a 27 year old who has been away for 5 years, and has a history with Lois, and has been around for a long time.

If he left around 27, was frozen for those 5 years (didnt age) and then returned, its believeable.... at least from a visual standpoint.

I would put my money on the fact that overall Brandon didn't leave a very good first impression... Neither did the movie itself..

I wouldnt agree with that. Even alot of fans who disliked the film (storywise, visual-wise), liked Brandon Routh and wished he played Superman under a different director. I thought the reaction to him alone after the film was overwhelmingly positive here. There are threads where the vast majority of fans rate him in the 80%/90% range.

I know it didn't with me.... But that's just MY opinion.

Thats fine but you shouldnt let your opinions mess up your views of the facts about the film, or youll end up like LexLives. The film was a 'vague sequel' from day one. They didnt want to completly dismiss Donner's first film but didnt want to recreate the same world of it exactly either. It was just used as a frame of reference or starting point.

Singer can write original stuff. His Xmen films were amazing. Brandon Routh said at the DVD Launch Party that Bryan is guaranteed to make the sequel his own original film and ditch the Donner thing.

Whether that will be a good thing or bad;....we have yet to see;

After watching the Look Up in the Sky DVD, its obvious Singer knows his Superman history (since he developed the doc itself)...including a segment on the Bryne Era Postcrisis comics. The only question remaining is whether Singer will choose to use any of this knowledge for his own version or ignore it.....

 

[Kevin Roegele]

The answer is, what difference does it make?

 

[Justice Bringer]

Read this:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005275009.cfm


Finally, someone gets it.

 

[true316]

Those designs are really good! It's nice to see Superman finally getting off the steroids he's been on for the last few decades! t:

 

[KaptainKrypton]

See, I really love artists like this because they actually understand that Superman doesn't have to look like he's been conjoined to a canister of nandrolone and a weight bench for his entire life. That is why I think Routh's physique was perfect for SR. Solidly built, but not looking like he could compete in the Mr. Olympia contest. It also makes it more plausible when he's dressed as Clark. Clark isn't supposed to look stout...but rather inconspicuous and dorky.

 

[Sun_Down]

Very good points. Of course Superman should be big, he's a superhero. But he doesn't have to be some Liefeld steroid-monster.

 

[storyteller]

Now that superman looks good. Its time to add the ACTION.

 

[Steelsheen]

Read this:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005275009.cfm


Finally, someone gets it.

yeah i like his Superman version, and that aint even colored yet

he's won me already on that sketch alone

 

[Rated-X]

I like Bizarro's look

 

[GarudA]

Images still look like Reeve's and not much at all like Routh, as he just does not have the perfect Superman face as Reeve's had.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

It's supposed to look like Reeve. That's who he based it on.

 

[GarudA]

Thats the thing, Reeve had the perfect look. I just don't see Superman look when I see Routh. He just does not do it for me.

 

[bunk]

I don't like the face at all. Still, he's one of my favorite artists.

 

[superbaby]

i still think routh should gain a few more pounce of muscle.

 

[Heatwave]

Read this:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005275009.cfm


Finally, someone gets it.

Good point.

I'll admit I like the so-called 'classic look' of huge muscles because it really does make the comicbook Superman look like a superhero, but how the hell would you hide something like that?! And besides, he isn't supposed to be some god or something - he's supposed to be your average farm-boy joe that occassionally strips off his mortal shell to become Superman.

 

[Qwerty©]

Images still look like Reeve's and not much at all like Routh, as he just does not have the perfect Superman face as Reeve's had.

I disagree.

I think if they took away all that makeup they plastered on Routh's face in SR, and sorted out his hair, he would be a great looking Superman.

 

[SatEL]

Read this:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005275009.cfm


Finally, someone gets it.

Arnt kryptonians meant to have perfect genetics therefore i think Routh should be a bit bigger and more ripped e.g brad Pitt in troy.

 

[Sun_Down]

Arnt kryptonians meant to have perfect genetics therefore i think Routh should be a bit bigger and more ripped e.g brad Pitt in troy.

When will people just look at the pics of Routh shirtless when he was training? Then we could stop having these stupid posts about how he should look like Pitt or a Spartan or whatever.

 

[SatEL]

When will people just look at the pics of Routh shirtless when he was training? Then we could stop having these stupid posts about how he should look like Pitt or a Spartan or whatever.

Post the shirtless pic but i can do you one better i have seen his so called shirtless body in motion when he was swimming to get a feel of flying also saw him on the dvd of returns when he was training and yes Pitt was bigger and certainly more cut. I personally dont blame Routh but the people he worked with.

 

[November Rain]

i think this superman is far too underwhelming and looks like a human in a superman costume.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Arnt kryptonians meant to have perfect genetics therefore i think Routh should be a bit bigger and more ripped e.g brad Pitt in troy.

Thats wrong. Was Zod big and ripped?

 

[SatEL]

Thats wrong. Was Zod big and ripped?

Which zod are you talking about? Comic Zod was twice as big as routh so yes he was big if its zod from STM2 then he has the excuse of age.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Superman doesnt need to look like the Hulk. He should look like a physically fit, attractive gay cowboy IMHO.