The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

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[KRIM]

Oh yes, god forbid that someone who wears a cape grab said cape with hand and wrap it thusly

God forbid someone dislike extravagant poses reminiscent of over-dramatic stage shows and outdated vampire flicks.

You apparently are fond of it, and I'm undoubtedly averse to it. Fantastic. This went nowhere.

 

[20thCenturyBoy]

God forbid someone dislike extravagant poses reminiscent of over-dramatic stage shows and outdated vampire flicks.

You apparently are fond of it, and I'm undoubtedly averse to it. Fantastic. This went nowhere.

It clashes with this particular set of Batman movies, yes, not going to debate that (Though some form of it could work) but that kind of imagery is still a big part of the character in iterations that certainly weren't a "Joke".

Batman, most of the time, and I don't mind that Nolan's movies don't really do this (Though I hope the next franchise does), has a very distinctive, theatrical style. A carnival like tone. And Batman often does have imagery taken straight from old vampire flicks.

The Animated Series did it, that wasn't a joke, tons and tons of comic books did it that weren't jokes.

Just because it clashes with this particular iteration doesn't mean it reduces the character to a joke. I'm not saying you have to like it, its fine if you don't, everyone has their own preferences when it comes to a character with such a varied tone and history. I'm just saying that the flamboyant, carnival atmosphere doesn't automatically make the character a joke.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I can't think of a moment in BTAS where he actually did it. Just promo pics.

It's something that looks really awesome in stills, but kind of awkward in motion.

It has nothing to do with realism vs theatricality (I prefer my Batman gothic and theatrical), but it's the kind of cliche that has become jokey. Give me any example where it's been used straight-faced in the last couple of decades. It immediately brings to mind "I VANT TO SUCK YA BLOOOD!"

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

the one iconic thing about batman that nolan finally got right opposed to the other films is the cape. In the comics and TAS batmans cape is almost a character in it's own the way it blows in the wind and moves. It's such a huge part of the character and I adore every scene where chris made that come alive.

 

[20thCenturyBoy]

I can't think of a moment in BTAS where he actually did it. Just promo pics.

It's something that looks really awesome in stills, but kind of awkward in motion.

I actually agree that the cape thing doesn't work well in movement. Was just defending the operatic, melodramatic tone and visual style in general. I should probably've been a bit clearer.

 

[craigdbfan]

His cape looks orgasmic when he smashes Scarecrows van.

Just unruly, wild and pure Batman.

 

[Mr. Earle]

the one iconic thing about batman that nolan finally got right opposed to the other films is the cape. In the comics and TAS batmans cape is almost a character in it's own the way it blows in the wind and moves. It's such a huge part of the character and I adore every scene where chris made that come alive.

You re joking right? You mean you like the rag thrown over robo-Batman's shoulders which is only used when he glides?

I'm talking about TDK mostly.

 

[craigdbfan]

I think he's referring to when he's in major forms of movement.

The van scene (albeit that was the Begin suit).

The bat pod scenes, the cape looks incredible.

The Hong Kong break in scene.

 

[KRIM]

I actually agree that the cape thing doesn't work well in movement. Was just defending the operatic, melodramatic tone and visual style in general. I should probably've been a bit clearer.

I won't deny there are moments in which it could be properly utilized. But it would have to be expressed as natural movement as opposed to being conveniently posed as if were about to be photographed. The aforementioned spotlight example being one. It's a natural extension of our reflexes to shield ourselves from the abrupt exposure to bright light.

As Paste Pot Pete/PPP/Triple P/P³/P-Cubed had mentioned, it has nothing to do with belonging to a particular style. I've no issue with the classical bat imagery that would rightly be labeled as moody. But -- if it looks stupid in motion I'm plainly not going to support it. Simple as that. If they can make it work, by all means go for it.

 

[20thCenturyBoy]

The Dark Knight suit looked great as long as it was in the shadows. Same with the Begins suit (Less so with Begins, as the Begins suit is honestly pretty silly looking to me). However TDK called for Batman to be out and about in the light quite a bit more than usual, so they really should've gone for a costume that looked aesthetically pleasing in the light as well as the dark. Yes, yes logistics over aesthetics, it didn't take me out of the movie at all like the Begins suit did in places, but I can see the problems people have with it.

I don't think the costume is awful, I love how mobile he is in it. I like that its not terribly bulky. Just looks odd in the light, "RoboBatman" isn't terribly inaccurate to how it looks in, say, the interrogation scene. The gauntlets are nice too, as was the "chainmail". Those two things really evoked the "Knight" imagery, especially in the scenes on the Bat-Pod.

I won't deny there are moments in which it could be properly utilized. But it would have to be expressed as natural movement as opposed to being conveniently posed as if were about to be photographed. The aforementioned spotlight example being one. It's a natural extension of our reflexes to shield ourselves from the abrupt exposure to bright light.

As Paste Pot Pete/PPP/Triple P/P³/P-Cubed had mentioned, it has nothing to do with belonging to a particular style. I've no issue with the classical bat imagery that would rightly be labeled as moody. But -- if it looks stupid in motion I'm plainly not going to support it. Simple as that. If they can make it work, by all means go for it.

I seem to have misinterpreted what you meant, my apologies.

 

[EliteF50]

You re joking right? You mean you like the rag thrown over robo-Batman's shoulders which is only used when he glides?

I'm talking about TDK mostly.

Agreed.

Batman looked terrible in the interrogation scene.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I can't think of a moment in BTAS where he actually did it. Just promo pics.

It's something that looks really awesome in stills, but kind of awkward in motion.

It has nothing to do with realism vs theatricality (I prefer my Batman gothic and theatrical), but it's the kind of cliche that has become jokey. Give me any example where it's been used straight-faced in the last couple of decades. It immediately brings to mind "I VANT TO SUCK YA BLOOOD!"

I recall a couple times he did it when he was covering his mouth for whatever reason, such as in Heart of Ice when Mr. Freeze was firing the freeze beam at him. As for the Nolan films, if that happened, I would be fine with the pose being used.

 

[darknight7]

@14/15 seconds
(Batman covers his face with his cape. People were discussing earlier how it's usually in the comics or promo shots. Well I think Tim Burton made it work in this scene, makes sense to cover himself/face with his cape because of the explosion)



--dk7

 

[EliteF50]

Jesus Christ, I love Batman Returns... I need to re-watch it soon.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The cape was fantastic in Batman Begins... full of life and energy. I love the way it draped around Batman, at times fully.

It became a towel in The Dark Knight... simply lying on his back, and yes while it looked cool on the bat-pod, it often looked taped on his back in other scenes.

It would of looked beautiful completely draped around him during the Sonar/Fox scene. (''Beautiful, isn't it?'')... but Nope, not with them huge shoulder things.

Another reason I came to dislike TDK suit.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I like the capes on both the BB & TDK suits. I especially like how Nolan additionally justified the cape as a transforming cape/glider combo. Made for some awesome imagery, and it is at least somewhat based in reality.

 

[Psycho_Sith]

You re joking right? You mean you like the rag thrown over robo-Batman's shoulders which is only used when he glides?

I'm talking about TDK mostly.

^^This!

I didn't like the visual changes from the cape as being almost a living part of Bats' suit in BB to being TDK's version of a 10-year old's towel cape...he should've been cloaked/concealed in it much more in TDK. The cape has always been a part of how Bats maintains his "mystery" .

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I think he's referring to when he's in major forms of movement.

The van scene (albeit that was the Begin suit).

The bat pod scenes, the cape looks incredible.

The Hong Kong break in scene.

as well as the scenes in BB where he's perching along with when batmans standing on the remains of the building rachel died in the cape is flowing beautifully. I don't like the material look of the cape but it moves wonderfully.

 

[Godzilla2014]

as well as the scenes in BB where he's perching along with when batmans standing on the remains of the building rachel died in the cape is flowing beautifully. I don't like the material look of the cape but it moves wonderfully.

The capes of the Nolan Batman film Batsuits are made of a much lighter weight fabric than the heavier rubber used in the Burton-Schumacher movie Batsuits, so they move much easier, as well as being easier to on Christian Bale's neck.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

The capes of the Nolan Batman film Batsuits are made of a much lighter weight fabric than the heavier rubber used in the Burton-Schumacher movie Batsuits, so they move much easier, as well as being easier to on Christian Bale's neck.

well that's the obvious lol I've rewatched the bb extras so many times since it's release I'm surprised I don't remember the specific material used.

 

[Psycho_Sith]

The capes of the Nolan Batman film Batsuits are made of a much lighter weight fabric than the heavier rubber used in the Burton-Schumacher movie Batsuits, so they move much easier, as well as being easier to on Christian Bale's neck.

No doubt...those Burton-Schumacher era capes were really heavy - especially Keaton's cape in BR; that thing looked like he stripped his fancy, thick black leather sofa for the material.

 

[antsman41]

Two best things of Nolan's Batman;

- Soft, flowing, and damn sexy BatCape
- Gordon

 

[Godzilla2014]

Two best things of Nolan's Batman;

- Soft, flowing, and damn sexy BatCape
- Gordon

I would also add realism, great villains, great portrayal of Batman, great stories, very intelligent scripts, et cetera, all of which are higher on my list than the cape. Hard to narrow it down to two things for me.