The Thing fighting Hulk

[unstoppable]

For the most part we all know who normally wins these types of fights. My question is does anybody want to see Ben win a fight for once? I mean by now he should at least tie.

 

[BrianWilly]

Considering that Ben has remained at pretty much the exact same level of power all these years whereas the Hulk seems to get more powerful with every new writer he gets? No, I don't think it's realistic for Ben to win even once.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Dan Slott finally upgraded Ben to Class 100 strength. He did it in the Thing Idol of Millions series and then backed it up in Avengers : The Initiative.


As for "The Clash" he actually won one. It was the first time they fought and it was revealed that the Hulk's memories of it were changed.

Spikey Ben also "won" vs the Grey Hulk. He then lost to the Grey Hulk after he fought a Green Hulk Doombot.

3 fights in a row and he lost the last one. But everyone forgets the first two he won.

 

[unstoppable]

I'm just tired of all the Hulk/Thing rape that happens in most of their battles.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Atleast he puts up a better fight than Colossus.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Well apart from that version posted by Franklyn which has a weaker Gray Hulk versus an upgraded Thing. It makes no sense for the Thing to ever defeat the Green Hulk who reaches strength levels the Thing can only dream about. It is a mismatch. A prime example was just before the Planet Hulk run where an enraged Hulk broke Thing's ribs and shook off a nova levle blast of the Torch.

And by the way, in the above picture look at the thought bubble of the Gray Hulk. those pictures are out of context.

 

[Ikaris-Eternal]

in that issue ben thinks the gray hulk is a robot. that's why the hulk is glad ben doesn't know he actually wins vs. the real hulk

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm just tired of all the Hulk/Thing rape that happens in most of their battles.

Get used to it. If you happen to like a super-strong character, you pretty much have to make peace with the fact that he or she will definitely lose to the Hulk at some point. It's Marvel law.

 

[Dread]

Atleast he puts up a better fight than Colossus.

Sad because it is true. Colossus has often been written as the wimpiest Class 75-80 ton tanker around. His feats of greatest strength in 616 all expire before 1985, and aside for beating Ord has little after 1990. He gets TKO'd easier than Strong Guy a lot of times. It merely feeds into the vicious cycle of writers thinking he is boring and readers therefore agreeing.

Thing is the ideal way to handle a strong guy on a team. He doesn't win every fight but he's always in there, always trying.

And I was aware of Thing's brief wins over Hulk, especially when he was "spikey" due to added cosmic rays in the 80's.

But, yeah, Hulk usually wins, and he should. His strength has no limit and he always regenerates. Unless you are massively, cosmic level strong to begin with, you can't beat Hulk by outright slugging it out with him, and even if you are, Hulk will win anyway. Characters job to him almost as much as they do to Wolverine.

Except Superman, who can even beat Thor. The Odinson has no counter for his hammer being grabbed and then being socked in the jaw really hard.

But, yeah, Hulk beats everything. That is part of why I often find him boring. He can't be physically challenged beyond Maguffin devices like the sort of "Hulk Killing Gun" that the military or Home Base used to make every now and then, and guess what? Those never worked, either. Aside for Maguffin tech devices, the Hulk usually never loses a fight.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Or if he does, it's because he's got the attention span of an infant tweaking on meth and he just gets bored and hops away.

 

[Dread]

Yeah. Might be why the Hulk personas I preferred were always above "Standard Dumb Hulk" such as Joe Fixit or The Professor.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I still like the Defenders Hulk. Childlike but at least he wasn't just going, "GAAHHH HULK SMASH!"

 

[Dread]

Child Hulk can be amusing but it still is a schtick I have seen too many times, which was why when I did happen upon runs on Hulk where he was Fixit in Vegas or Professor on the Pantheon (INCREDIBLE HULK was one of a few titles I got to look at for free as a kid because my parent had a sub to it), I usually preferred that over the "default" Hulk.

PLANET HULK was good, I was actually a little saddened that the planet had to get blown up and Hulk had to return. Space makes everyone better.

 

[Franklin Richards]

A trick the FF invented!!! GAH! DnA get on the mag NOW!!!

 

[Mr. Green]

Hulk/Thing: Hard Knocks is a great story about Thing beating Hulk. It's a bit deeper than just straight fighting. I liked it.

 

[fifthfiend]

A trick the FF invented!!! GAH! DnA get on the mag NOW!!!

I've actually been hoping the FF would get their asses back out into space for a while now. Every writer since Waid has bored the **** out of me, they don't seem to get the whole "Fantastic" requirement of writing an FF comic. Though Millar tries, bless his heart, for all that he's ****ing terrible at it.

Put them on a rocket an' doin' Crazy Adventures, come on guys I don't think that's asking too much.

 

[Dread]

I wouldn't mind Abnett & Lanning on FANTASTIC FOUR, so long as they could manage that book on a timely basis alongside NOVA and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (plus whatever random space event mini's they have to do). I doubt it would happen, though. Marvel wants to boost that book with A-List teams and that duo is not well known to the average fan. Of course, Marvel could realize that not even Millar & Hitch can keep the FF title above 45k for long, but that would mean looking at reality. Managament by design in any system never can. It is like a law.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Good writing and art will keep the book on top. Not "name" teams.



But I guess that's too much to ask for "The World's Greatest Comic Magazine".

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Are you high or something? Good writing and art don't count for s*** as far as the business of comics goes. Witness: the consistently top-10-selling Hulk.

I've actually been hoping the FF would get their asses back out into space for a while now. Every writer since Waid has bored the **** out of me, they don't seem to get the whole "Fantastic" requirement of writing an FF comic. Though Millar tries, bless his heart, for all that he's ****ing terrible at it.

Put them on a rocket an' doin' Crazy Adventures, come on guys I don't think that's asking too much.

McDuffie took them back out into space. Only it wasn't really the Fantastic Four, it was the Fantastic Two & Co.

 

[Dread]

Black Panther & Storm joining the team was a stunt and at least McDuffie didn't even hint at it lasting very long with the Richards couple on a second honeymoon (which would get interupted by Frightful Four ambush #157). Aside for Black Panther being able to wrestle Silver Surfer and border on Batman prep-time, I didn't mind his run at all. The art was solid and his run got the title back to basics after the shifts of CIVIL WAR. The Fantastic Four usually go through at least one roster shift every decade, so they were due one.

Millar is trying on FF and it is better than some of his other work, but it still has his tendancy to beat the reader over the head with how awesome he thinks a line/concept is (such as writing a gag and then literally having a character tell you, "That's hilarious!").

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't mind the Black Panther and Storm being on the team, but they didn't really do anything. Black Panther was literally just "assh**e Reed" and Storm was "Sue with weather powers." The dynamic didn't change at all. I think it would've been much more interesting if two very unlikely characters came onboard and thrust Johnny and Ben into the leadership roles usually reserved for Reed and Sue.

 

[Franklin Richards]

It seems that Duffie had been writing cartoons too much because his run on FF screamed cartoon storyline.

It would have made a great 4 story arc in a toon but as a comic it didn't quite cut it.

 

[Dread]

I'd mention the hero who I always thought should have had some official spot on the team at some point, but I already have a bunch of times.

 

[Franklin Richards]

 

[moraldeficiency]

I remember reading a hulk annual a long time back where they had a quick story about Hulk and Ben arm wrestling. Basically every month or something they'd go to this bar and armwrestle, so all the villian show up to take them both out but they're concentrating so hard on each other they never notice being attacked. The match ended like it always did with the chairs breaking before anything could be accomplished. That was a good Hulk/Thing match.