The Treatment in creating the GHOST RIDER movie

[TripXyDE]

sure, there's nothing wrong with making movies that will make money.
but not at the expense of making unfavorable adaptations.

And so you might say 'hell, i enjoyed it, i had fun. Did you want an Oscarworthy adaptation of GR?!'

i would probably admit that GR is successful commercially. but not all commercially successful movies are necessarily good. i'm not being a fanboy purist nor a film purist. sure, i can understand camp. after all, i didn't mind the changes they made in the film adaptations of Elektra, Fantastic 4, Daredevil, & The Hulk. I enjoyed them, they weren't too faithful, they weren't Oscarworthy, they were somewhat campy (except for Hulk).

But more or less, they were movies done with the right formula. as said by another poster from the other thread, some movies are done which are very much not faithful to the comics yet it still felt like THE character itself.

some of you have expressed that people don't know what they want. Daredevil was made campy & people complain, Hulk was made serious, people complain.

It may be true that some people don't know what they want. But I have an answer for that.

studios should KNOW what IS INDEED the PROPER treatment for a certain comic book. they should know what should be camp and what should be serious. you cant make The Crow campy, you cant make Fantastic Four too damn serious...

I would congratulate the producers & the filmmakers for making money with their movie.

But in my opinion,
think about it...
GHOST RIDER
is one of the darkest comicbook characters in the Marvel Universe

The characters around him deal with demons, demonology, the occult, and killers. The storylines of the series involve vengeance & bloodlust.

GR is a character WHO SOLD HIS SOUL TO A DEMON

next thing you know, we see kids saying in their own cute little immature voices "i wanna sell my soul to the devil too"

 

[InVictus]

I'm sorry to being so abrupt, but....did you ever read a Ghost Rider comic book? Or only the covers or its title?

 

[Mr. Credible]

sure, there's nothing wrong with making movies that will make money.
but not at the expense of making unfavorable adaptations.

And so you might say 'hell, i enjoyed it, i had fun. Did you want an Oscarworthy adaptation of GR?!'

i would probably admit that GR is successful commercially. but not all commercially successful movies are necessarily good. i'm not being a fanboy purist nor a film purist. sure, i can understand camp. after all, i didn't mind the changes they made in the film adaptations of Elektra, Fantastic 4, Daredevil, & The Hulk. I enjoyed them, they weren't too faithful, they weren't Oscarworthy, they were somewhat campy (except for Hulk).

But more or less, they were movies done with the right formula. as said by another poster from the other thread, some movies are done which are very much not faithful to the comics yet it still felt like THE character itself.

some of you have expressed that people don't know what they want. Daredevil was made campy & people complain, Hulk was made serious, people complain.

It may be true that some people don't know what they want. But I have an answer for that.

studios should KNOW what IS INDEED the PROPER treatment for a certain comic book. they should know what should be camp and what should be serious. you cant make The Crow campy, you cant make Fantastic Four too damn serious...

I would congratulate the producers & the filmmakers for making money with their movie.

But in my opinion,
think about it...
GHOST RIDER
is one of the darkest comicbook characters in the Marvel Universe

The characters around him deal with demons, demonology, the occult, and killers. The storylines of the series involve vengeance & bloodlust.

GR is a character WHO SOLD HIS SOUL TO A DEMON

next thing you know, we see kids saying in their own cute little immature voices "i wanna sell my soul to the devil too"

there's no reason this couldn't have gone in a review thread. all you did was complain about the movie, and that's fine, you can think whatever you want about it, but that doesn't mean this deserves it's own thread, when it is, in fact, just another review.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i whole-heartedly agree. Ghost Rider had the potential to be 'the Crow' except better but MSJ made it into a mix between DD and Mortal Kombat. i don't mind changes to the character as long as it's change that makes sense. at the same token...movie makers shouldn't ALWAYS stick to the source material, especially if that material will turn our corny when translated to film.

as far as serious and camp go...people didn't like the Hulk because the Hulk is supposed to be an action packed movie but most of the action wasn't until the end of the movie and the movie started off very slow. it was also pretty confusing. people didn't like DD because DD is a dark character (ala Batman) but MSJ (again) mucked it up by trying to apply the Spider-Man formula to it.

the directors for these films need to have just as much of an understanding of how to make movies as they do about the comic-lore if they want to make a good comic book movie. that's why Raimi and Nolan are spoken so highly...they're both master filmmakers who did the research and understand the core elements of the characters they brought to life. MSJ might know everything there is to know about the GR comics, but since he's not that great of a filmmaker...the movie falls flat on it's face.


oh yeah...even though i agree with the post, i also agree with Mr. Credible. this could've gone in the review thread.

 

[thegameq]

You know, I think most people in the back of their minds had to know they weren't going to get the dark, horror-esque movie they wanted--but no one expected what they got, especially not from a fellow fan.

Just a question to the hardcore GR fans: I know MSJ's film was an amalgamation of all the various GR incarnations, but which version had the most humor? The GR I know is from the 70s--hell blazing demon on a classic chopper, evil as evil and bad ass as can be--the classic GR. Where did all the humor come from? I wasn't a hardcore GR fan, but none of the issues I read were or seemed remotely funny. I'm sure there was some humor, being that they are comicbooks and humor is often used to break up the monotony, but...I didn't find anything funny about the classic GR comicbooks.

 

[crazy sock]

the only thing funny about the ghost rider movie is that ppl actually think it was made good.

 

[zer00]

the only thing funny about the ghost rider movie is that ppl actually think it was made good.

We only like it to piss you off

 

[crazy sock]

that makes more sense than you actually believing the movie wasnt horribly made.

 

[TripXyDE]

i can understand that it seems like a thread that belonged to the reviews thread...

but reviews deal with the entire package including the acting & cinematography

actually my focus here is on the directorial treatment, if it should've been dark & gritty, or campy, or kid-friendly, or violent...

 

[zanos]

The studio is the last place you should look for proper judgement on anything creative. That is why we have producers and directors.

 

[FlameHead]

First of all, I agree with Mr. Credible. This didn't need his own thread.

As for your comments, we realize that this is what you would have wanted and it's an understandable viewpoint to have. Sure, GR is dark and deals with demons and hell but, the comics were still always fun and somewhat lighthearted which I think a lot of people forget about.

Plus, I always like it when a director or a team of producers (and/or actors) or whoever brings something new to us. Let's face it, Cage was right in thinking that the bad ass alcoholic was done before. Personally, I have no problem sacrificing that tiny aspect of the character as a whole to have a new approach brought to us.

The character has been reinvented for years and this new visually amazing concoction of all those inventions with a little twist of their own really works... for me.

Look, we understand what you would have wanted from this movie Trip but, this is what you would have wanted, not what everyone wanted. To say things like "Can't do this", "Can't do that" is kinda over opinionated, don't ya think?

 

[crazy sock]

so flame head, if they made a dan ketch ghost rider movie. and it was turned into a camp fest instead of its dark and gritty nature like in the comics. how would you feel about that?

 

[hellfiremaster]

i whole-heartedly agree. Ghost Rider had the potential to be 'the Crow' except better but MSJ made it into a mix between DD and Mortal Kombat. i don't mind changes to the character as long as it's change that makes sense. at the same token...movie makers shouldn't ALWAYS stick to the source material, especially if that material will turn our corny when translated to film.

as far as serious and camp go...people didn't like the Hulk because the Hulk is supposed to be an action packed movie but most of the action wasn't until the end of the movie and the movie started off very slow. it was also pretty confusing. people didn't like DD because DD is a dark character (ala Batman) but MSJ (again) mucked it up by trying to apply the Spider-Man formula to it.

the directors for these films need to have just as much of an understanding of how to make movies as they do about the comic-lore if they want to make a good comic book movie. that's why Raimi and Nolan are spoken so highly...they're both master filmmakers who did the research and understand the core elements of the characters they brought to life. MSJ might know everything there is to know about the GR comics, but since he's not that great of a filmmaker...the movie falls flat on it's face.


oh yeah...even though i agree with the post, i also agree with Mr. Credible. this could've gone in the review thread.

Well I don't know about you but I was waiting for Herbie the Love Bug to come out and chase GR down.. or maybe GR was going to have a partner.. you know the big blue hairy monster from Monsters Inc.. because hell, it would have fit.

HFM (---but I agree it should have been more like the Crow

 

[FlameHead]

so flame head, if they made a dan ketch ghost rider movie. and it was turned into a camp fest instead of its dark and gritty nature like in the comics. how would you feel about that?

It's quite difficult to answer how I feel about something that I didn't experience. I have no idea how I'd feel about a Dan Ketch movie, no matter how it was made. All I know is that I enjoyed the story that was told here and had a really fun time watching it. That's all I needed.

 

[crazy sock]

all i needed was a well made ghost rider movie, unfortunately i didnt get it.