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This much is clear. Trump is not a clown. A clown could not quickly pass name senators and governors this quickly. He's a political heavyweight, but can he be the #1 man?

Very hard to tell in such as crowded field.

We’ll see if he can keep polling high. Three months on politics can seem like a year. By September if Trump is #1 or #2, he’s got a real shot.

Trump is a clown. He's reality TV in politics. He says the most routine things in the most flamboyant, loud-mouthed way possible and the media does his work for him. His rise in the polls is no shock if you see the game that's being played. They want this guy in the fray for as long as they can use him, especially the left leaning media. They can't get enough of Trump and they love what he's doing to the Republican brand. That's why when you see him in interviews he gets softball questions and no one presses him on specifics when all his answers amount to "everyone bad, Trump good". When his act gets old the media will turn on him and he'll go the way of Herman Cain.
 
Everyone knows what would happen if we actually stopped illegal immigration. The cost of food would greatly increase, because we wouldn't be able to find Americans willing to work very long hours outside for very little pay. Lets not forget the illegals who work in construction or lawn are (like the illegals who take care of Trump's golf courses). The US economy would colapse without illegal immigrants.
 
Originally Posted by Taarna View Post
This much is clear. Trump is not a clown. A clown could not quickly pass name senators and governors this quickly. He's a political heavyweight, but can he be the #1 man?

Very hard to tell in such as crowded field.

We’ll see if he can keep polling high. Three months on politics can seem like a year. By September if Trump is #1 or #2, he’s got a real shot.

Trump is a clown. He's reality TV in politics. He says the most routine things in the most flamboyant, loud-mouthed way possible and the media does his work for him. His rise in the polls is no shock if you see the game that's being played. They want this guy in the fray for as long as they can use him, especially the left leaning media. They can't get enough of Trump and they love what he's doing to the Republican brand. That's why when you see him in interviews he gets softball questions and no one presses him on specifics when all his answers amount to "everyone bad, Trump good". When his act gets old the media will turn on him and he'll go the way of Herman Cain.


Hitmanyr2k,

I said let's see where he is in three months. Cain was undone by a scandal if memory serves. Trump's favorable rating has soared. None of the media who felt he was " a clown " before in politics can say that now because he's in the lead.

Which person in the media said he would be #1 at this point in time?

Will his act get old with the media? I doubt that. He's a media magnet.

Here are his statements on various issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
 
Everyone knows what would happen if we actually stopped illegal immigration. The cost of food would greatly increase, because we wouldn't be able to find Americans willing to work very long hours outside for very little pay. Lets not forget the illegals who work in construction or lawn are (like the illegals who take care of Trump's golf courses). The US economy would colapse without illegal immigrants.

Or the demand for those jobs would rise, offering higher pay and employment for millions of americans without a job. Economics 101.

There is always cheap labor. The other solution would be transplant workers who are here legally if needed.
 
Or the demand for those jobs would rise, offering higher pay and employment for millions of americans without a job. Economics 101.

There is always cheap labor. The other solution would be transplant workers who are here legally if needed.

What If 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
[SIZE=+1]By Tina Griego
7-12-11[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I, Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News, wrote a column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament". I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "illegal aliens pay rent, buy groceries, and buy clothes. What happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?" Hmmm, I thought, what would happen? [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]So I did my due diligence, buried my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below. It's a good question it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of Americans demand secure borders and that we stop illegal migration. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers I found may surprise you! [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grandchildren would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico. That would save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs.. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our grid locked cities in Colorado. Denver's 4% unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a savings of billions from English as a Second Language programs and free breakfasts and lunches. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien jail and prison inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually who would vacate our country. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters! [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and fewer American deaths by illegal aliens drinking and driving! [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, saving us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing because of the EMTOLA Act.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country - brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families' cause 11% of our greenhouse gases. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called 'colonias' or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, roads, electricity, or any kind of sanitation. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The New York Times reported them to be America's new ' Third World ' inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally; more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Interesting Statistics... [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Here are 13 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens. (thats Billion with a 'B') http://tinyurl.com/zob77.html [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]2. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]3. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they still cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]4. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]5. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]6. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/SIZE][SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]7. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]8. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]9. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]10. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin, crack, Guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]11. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]12. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin, to their families and friends. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]13. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States! http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Total cost a whopping $538.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR![/SIZE]
 
That article is a load of bullcrap. Nearly all economists agree, professional ones I might add, not an idiotic columnist, that illegal immigration is actually a benefit to an economy.

1. Unskilled illegal immigrants actually complement skilled laborers. In states that have more illegal immigrants skilled laborers make more money, work more hours, and increase productivity. That's because unskilled illegal laborers allow skilled laborers to focus on what they do best.

2. Illegal immigrants boost the profits of several industries. That's because they don't have to spend money on skilled laborers to do menial tasks and can take on more jobs because of the increased labor pool.

3. The columnist complains about how illegal immigrants drain the system but the reality is that for every $1 billion they take out of the system, they contribute $15 billion back into it. That's because they are not citizens and because they are here illegally, they get so very little in terms of entitlements.

4. The columnist mentions the high crime rates that illegal immigrants bring, but those are also areas that have high levels of low-educated workers that also contribute to said problems. This is a poverty problem that effects everyone regardless of national origin, not an immigration one like the idiotic columnist says it is.

5. Illegal immigrants spend most of the money they make in the United States, in the United States. That's because they have to pay for costs like rent, gas, food, electricity, etc. They are putting most of the money they earn, towards the US economy, not sending that money back to their countries of origin like the columnist is trying to portray it as.

6. Speaking of spending money and entitlements, up to 75% of illegal immigrants pay taxes and all of them have to pay things like sales taxes, which contribute to the schools, Medicare, etc. that they "mooch" off of.

7. And finally illegal immigrants take the jobs that most Americans just aren't willing to do. Believe it or not, most Americans actually would rather be unemployed than do grunt work on a farm spend their days cutting up chicken guts. Without illegal immigrants, many industries, particularly agriculture and construction would face a lot of labor shortages.

For some reason, people who rail against illegal immigration don't understand that working, getting paid, and then spending that money is how the economy works.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/m...ually-hurt-the-us-economy.html?pagewanted=all

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/u...erican-workers-in-place-of-migrant-labor.html
 
That article is a load of bullcrap. Nearly all economists agree, professional ones I might add, not an idiotic columnist, that illegal immigration is actually a benefit to an economy.

1. Unskilled illegal immigrants actually complement skilled laborers. In states that have more illegal immigrants skilled laborers make more money, work more hours, and increase productivity. That's because unskilled illegal laborers allow skilled laborers to focus on what they do best.

2. Illegal immigrants boost the profits of several industries. That's because they don't have to spend money on skilled laborers to do menial tasks and can take on more jobs because of the increased labor pool.

3. The columnist complains about how illegal immigrants drain the system but the reality is that for every $1 billion they take out of the system, they contribute $15 billion back into it. That's because they are not citizens and because they are here illegally, they get so very little in terms of entitlements.

4. The columnist mentions the high crime rates that illegal immigrants bring, but those are also areas that have high levels of low-educated workers that also contribute to said problems. This is a poverty problem that effects everyone regardless of national origin, not an immigration one like the idiotic columnist says it is.

5. Illegal immigrants spend most of the money they make in the United States, in the United States. That's because they have to pay for costs like rent, gas, food, electricity, etc. They are putting most of the money they earn, towards the US economy, not sending that money back to their countries of origin like the columnist is trying to portray it as.

6. Speaking of spending money and entitlements, up to 75% of illegal immigrants pay taxes and all of them have to pay things like sales taxes, which contribute to the schools, Medicare, etc. that they "mooch" off of.

7. And finally illegal immigrants take the jobs that most Americans just aren't willing to do. Believe it or not, most Americans actually would rather be unemployed than do grunt work on a farm spend their days cutting up chicken guts. Without illegal immigrants, many industries, particularly agriculture and construction would face a lot of labor shortages.

For some reason, people who rail against illegal immigration don't understand that working, getting paid, and then spending that money is how the economy works.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/m...ually-hurt-the-us-economy.html?pagewanted=all

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/u...erican-workers-in-place-of-migrant-labor.html

Her entire article came with footnotes for where she got her sources, so I don't think this piece was written on pure emotion. I've also heard the statistic that for every dollar an illegal pumps into the economy, they absorb three in return through public services. Not to mention the fact that most illegals send what they earn back home across the border, so zero tax revenue is collected in these cases.
 
Her entire article came with footnotes for where she got her sources, so I don't think this piece was written on pure emotion. I've also heard the statistic that for every dollar an illegal pumps into the economy, they absorb three in return through public services. Not to mention the fact that most illegals send what they earn back home across the border, so zero tax revenue is collected in these cases.
How come everyone's under the assumption they send everything back and therefore won't contribute to taxes. Are they robots? Do they not require any form of self sustenance and send all they earn back home? Like hippie_hunter already stated, they still have to pay for own living expenses to even stay here and work to have enough to send back.
 
How come everyone's under the assumption they send everything back and therefore won't contribute to taxes. Are they robots? Do they not require any form of self sustenance and send all they earn back home? Like hippie_hunter already stated, they still have to pay for own living expenses to even stay here and work to have enough to send back.

Not every dime they make, obviously. That's where the 1:3 ratio comes in. It's my opinion that Illegals take more than what they contribute to the US.
 
While I agree Trump's tone on the topic was bad, was his message?

Are you for illegal immigration from any area of the world, arriving in the USA, and then costing the nation an estimated 100 billion dollars a year?

Suppose you live in Texas or New Mexico.





>>>Wouldn't the money be better spent on USA citizens? What do you think? I think so.

Trump said nothing about legal immigration, where there is a process and
bad apples can be denied entrance.
The first time you mention "a hundred billion dollars", you admitted it was your own guess. Now it's an "estimate."

I think you need to source that number.
 
The first time you mention "a hundred billion dollars", you admitted it was your own guess. Now it's an "estimate."

I think you need to source that number.

Okay. Fair enough.

Source #1. Illegals cost the USA 100 billion a year.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317


Source #2. Illegals sent home 50 billion, but cost the USA 120 billion per year.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317

It is an elementary conclusion that the costs will go up even if the population of illegals remains the same as they age, or get sick. The group demographic is rather young . Indeed only 5% of the group is older than 55 years of age. 54% is under 34 years of age.

With Social Security in some trouble, does the USA owe illegals 100-120 billion in aid?
 
Okay. Fair enough.

Source #1. Illegals cost the USA 100 billion a year.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317


Source #2. Illegals sent home 50 billion, but cost the USA 120 billion per year.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illegal-immigrants-cost-us-100-billion-year-group/story?id=10699317

It is an elementary conclusion that the costs will go up even if the population of illegals remains the same as they age, or get sick. The group demographic is rather young . Indeed only 5% of the group is older than 55 years of age. 54% is under 34 years of age.

With Social Security in some trouble, does the USA owe illegals 100-120 billion in aid?
I think that's one of the reasons why immigration is never really talked about, or a front and center issue until Trump is bringing it to the forefront. You pretty much have a large army of laborers doing jobs most Americans won't take even if they have to go homeless. Sure the send some money back home, now whether the sum of their productivity is positive or negative remains to be seen, since everyone is pulling sources to argue their own argument. But the fact is, in most cases, illegal immigrants dont get any entitlements, so they are paying taxes on things that they won't benefit from. They won't get that money in form of SS aid in the future. The government don't want to deport them because of the large laboring workforce they are, but at the same time don't want to give amnesty since they will then be entitled to the benefits of being legal in the system, so its really an issue that's in a deadlock.
 
Trump is getting an uncanny amount of press for someone that the press claims 'doesnt have a chance' and questions when he will drop out.
 
Or the demand for those jobs would rise, offering higher pay and employment for millions of americans without a job. Economics 101. There is always cheap labor. The other solution would be transplant workers who are here legally if needed.

It would be an absolute disaster for the US economy. Thats why whenever the Republicans talk about sending all of the illegal immigrants home I know its a lie, because the business interests who donate to them would privately tell them not to do it. US businesses depend on cheap, illegal labor, because they don't have to pay them minimum wage or benefits. I just wish one of them would tell the truth.
 
Trump is getting an uncanny amount of press for someone that the press claims 'doesnt have a chance' and questions when he will drop out.

The bald truth is almost all politicians are somewhat comprimised due to large campaign contributions, special interest groups, lobbyists and “ promises “ to large corporations or other nations.

Trump is empowering the citizens. A step toward making America great again.. And the voters on his side, regardless of who the media tries to spin it.

AP poll says 90% believe that illegal immigration is a serious problem.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...problem-majority-want-expedited-deportations/

I can’t wait to hear what Trump says on Taxes, and Foreign policy.
 
It would be an absolute disaster for the US economy. Thats why whenever the Republicans talk about sending all of the illegal immigrants home I know its a lie, because the business interests who donate to them would privately tell them not to do it. US businesses depend on cheap, illegal labor, because they don't have to pay them minimum wage or benefits. I just wish one of them would tell the truth.

The USA citizens who are under employed or un-employed would get a chance for work. Who would not be for that?

Currently the labor rate is at a low tide.

Supply and demand will set the market for these jobs.

Read below:

Of the 465 civilian occupations, only four are majority immigrant. These four occupations account for less than 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans comprise 47 percent of workers in these occupations. Far from a " disaster " if they left.

Many jobs often thought to be overwhelmingly immigrant are in fact majority native-born:

Maids and housekeepers: 55 percent native-born
Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born
Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born
Grounds maintenance workers: 65 percent native-born
Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born
Porters, bellhops, and concierges: 71 percent native-born
Janitors: 75 percent native-born

So some of these jobs would open up for USA citizens.

http://cis.org/illegalImmigration-employment
 
I love Trump. I hope he get's into the presidential debates. Everything he says is ridiculous...he actually brings much needed humor to the political scene. And i'm totally serious about that.
 
Trump is getting an uncanny amount of press for someone that the press claims 'doesnt have a chance' and questions when he will drop out.

It's Summer 2015 and the Press needs something to talk about and he is entertaining.

The funny thing is I notice the "liberal" media giving way more attention to Trump then Fox News, that should tell you something
 
I love Trump. I hope he get's into the presidential debates. Everything he says is ridiculous...he actually brings much needed humor to the political scene. And i'm totally serious about that.

I think he's hysterical and if anything , the anchors on channels like CNN make themselves look unhinged by foaming at the mouth over this clown.

I will this though:

1) Everybody knows who he is, so he's not some unknown Governor or Senator
2)He speaks in very simple terms
3) He's confident in his own skin and knows how to shine in front of the Cameras
4)He's a fighter who doesn't back down
5) He's from out side the belt way so he's not bound by the same norms and morays of Politicians inside the beltway.


Those qualities alone are enough to attract attention and support if the politician is charismatic enough. Given that the rest of the field is lacking in a lot of those qualities , its not surprising he is leading for now.
 
One of my favorite things on Facebook is all the Trump vs El Chapo memes.
 
I think that's one of the reasons why immigration is never really talked about, or a front and center issue until Trump is bringing it to the forefront. You pretty much have a large army of laborers doing jobs most Americans won't take even if they have to go homeless. Sure the send some money back home, now whether the sum of their productivity is positive or negative remains to be seen, since everyone is pulling sources to argue their own argument. But the fact is, in most cases, illegal immigrants dont get any entitlements, so they are paying taxes on things that they won't benefit from. They won't get that money in form of SS aid in the future. The government don't want to deport them because of the large laboring workforce they are, but at the same time don't want to give amnesty since they will then be entitled to the benefits of being legal in the system, so its really an issue that's in a deadlock.

This is complete bullcrap! Most of my family is/was in construction, but most had to get out, not because they didn't want to do the work, but because unless you were a foreman or working one of the big rigs, you didn't get paid nearly enough to make a living, and that is all due to the illegals coming over. Then, there is the way our schooling/education system is set up, in that they are teaching the kids to be more into technology and less into hard labor. I work at a factory that is in dire need for machinists, but they were hard to find for the longest time, due to the fact that the schools long ago began phasing those programs out. My company actually got together with a major univerity to get a machinist program started, and the industry is finally starting to come back again. But all in all, hard labor is just very difficult for the average American to fall back on to make a living, and has nothing to do with people not wanting to do it.
 
It's Summer 2015 and the Press needs something to talk about and he is entertaining.

The funny thing is I notice the "liberal" media giving way more attention to Trump then Fox News, that should tell you something

Oh, it seems most of the conservatives seem to hate Trump with a passion.
 
This is complete bullcrap! Most of my family is/was in construction, but most had to get out, not because they didn't want to do the work, but because unless you were a foreman or working one of the big rigs, you didn't get paid nearly enough to make a living, and that is all due to the illegals coming over. Then, there is the way our schooling/education system is set up, in that they are teaching the kids to be more into technology and less into hard labor. I work at a factory that is in dire need for machinists, but they were hard to find for the longest time, due to the fact that the schools long ago began phasing those programs out. My company actually got together with a major university to get a machinist program started, and the industry is finally starting to come back again. But all in all, hard labor is just very difficult for the average American to fall back on to make a living, and has nothing to do with people not wanting to do it.
What you say does make sense, but this is one of those whether the chicken or the egg came first type situation. On the one hand, a lot of these hard labor jobs don't pay nearly enough for the average American to make a living like you said, probably resulting from the cheaper option from illegal immigrants for companies. On the other hand, education as a whole is moving with the advancing technology nowadays. Given a kid a choice, would he want to be doing hard labor some years in the future, or have some technical job working at a place like Apple or MS contributing to the fast advances of tech? Then there's the issue of having a fallback. The pay is either too low, or they don't have the know how since none of that stuff is taught in the average schools. Now at this point in the game, do you think most corporations would rather lean on the cheap labor so they can collect higher profits for themselves? Or choose to help out the average American and increase the pay to attract better qualify individuals for these jobs. With large companies being selfish and only looking for profits and self-interest, the answer isn't that hard to figure.
 
Let's pretend the impossible happens and a giant wall is built that separates Mexico and the USA. Illegal immigration is suddenly stopped. Do you honestly think that suddenly unemployed America citizens will willingly take the farm and construction labor jobs that the illegals once had? The costs of buildings and food would skyrocket, the economy would go into a depression, and you know it! This is why I believe that all this tough talk from the Republicans about illegal immigration is all bullcrap. The corporations that control the GOP would never allow it, because they would lose billions.
 
Let's pretend the impossible happens and a giant wall is built that separates Mexico and the USA. Illegal immigration is suddenly stopped. Do you honestly think that suddenly unemployed America citizens will willingly take the farm and construction labor jobs that the illegals once had? The costs of buildings and food would skyrocket, the economy would go into a depression, and you know it! This is why I believe that all this tough talk from the Republicans about illegal immigration is all bullcrap. The corporations that control the GOP would never allow it, because they would lose billions.

Who says impossible?

Check was Saudi Arabia is doing at the below link. The USA could do much better if wanted.

A wall with drones, ditches, and WIDE gates and roads for business. I see no issues. And it would add jobs the way the Dem's like to do it.

Trump takes NO DONATIONS. He's for the USA, not some rich corporations buying politicians.


http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/233628-saudi-arabia-anti-isis-wall/
 
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