The Ugly Americans

Corinthian™ said:
you mean hillbilly formula 1:confused:

LOL..Ok, Its never good to make fun of other sports.. But saying some person is the greatest, even though 90% of the world doesn't know who he is... That's not right.
 
Saying anyone is the greatest is an opinion so what difference does it make?
 
Abaddon said:
Saying anyone is the greatest is an opinion so what difference does it make?

Your'e right in a way!
 
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deemar325 said:
Not at all, the way I see it maybe the Sicilians got issues with the whole 'Moors/Hannibal' thing.
What's the Moors/Hannibal thing?

I look at it the way how blacks are seen; meaning that there are a lot of us that are good people, it's just the idiots that make us look bad and therefore everyone thinks we're like that.
 
terry78 said:
It doesn't count when it's homegrown. When it's a middle eastern/asian type, we're ready to go to arms.

I agree, its not like any lessons were really learned form
Vietnam.
 
DV8 said:
seriously, I know that most of the folks on here are joking about the center of the universe stuff and all that, but if you were an outsider, you'd pry be like, "f**k you!! can you be any more full of yourself!?"

The US was founded on land that was stolen from another people, and prospered by bringing stolen people to cultivate the stolen land

The US's main goal as a country is to 'make a quick buck', capitalize . . . it's a flawed system, and eventually I think will crumble like all great empires before it . . .

You make some decent points, but I don't see us falling no time soon buddy.

Alpha-dog!!
 
Harlekin said:
You know I respect you, but that damn war was 60 years ago. I'm not diminishing what the Americans did for Europe in that war (even though I still think the Canadians and Russians should get a lot more respect than they have had), but let it go already. What I think bothers some Europeans is some of the "you're indebted to us" attitude that some Americans will hold, something that is horribly ridicilious. We layed the ground for America and you pulled our asses out of the fire. There's no debt.

Then there's the foreign policy that America currently employs. No matter how much Americans try to prevent it, your political system and policy do reflect on you, and we'll be quick to generalize you in that area. Again, the regime's "you're either with us or against us" hasn't really brought any sympathy either.

What most Europeans will see Americans as? Obese blowhards that should stick to their own business.

I get what your saying Harekin, I get that 'Alpha-Dog mentality' somestimes also It's kind of ingrained in us.

My thing is America can get carried away, but the thing is after 9/11 it was on! They woke a sleeping giant and if the middle-east wants to dust up with us so be it.

It's funny how other countries call us lazy when we are the ones who take the initiative to get things done, we feed half the 3rd world, we are the largest donators of charity and our troops can put the mother of all whoopings on Armies twice our size.
 
Flexo said:
Well, maybe if Europe wasn't so lazy, they could stop Bush.

Fix your own mess.Im not insulting you,its just that its common sence.

DV8 said:
seriously, I know that most of the folks on here are joking about the center of the universe stuff and all that, but if you were an outsider, you'd pry be like, "f**k you!! can you be any more full of yourself!?"

The US was founded on land that was stolen from another people, and prospered by bringing stolen people to cultivate the stolen land

The US's main goal as a country is to 'make a quick buck', capitalize . . . it's a flawed system, and eventually I think will crumble like all great empires before it . . .

Britain stole the land from the Native Americans,yes,that much is true,and the Natives have every right to be angry.I hear that they still are,i remember a vandalization of a Christopher Columbus statue on his holiday.

C.F. Kane said:
Our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts.

I wouldnt go that far,the Founding Fathers were very intelligent,and good men.Its sad to see their country rot,and turn corrupt.

RougeDLN said:
I think that one of the few great things in England is still the fact that most anybody can get into a position of power, America seems from the outsidre to be a place where only those with money get into power. Anyone can become an MP in england, you can contest anyseat against the other parties, For instance when my local football team were refused the right to rebuld their ground, they started the Valley Party and challened the decison in the polls. It worked an it now one of the nicest places to go in the premiership.

ALso i think americans rarely seem to look outside their own walls. For instance, the top ten greatest athletes in the world thread on the hype. It took 3 pages or more to actually mention someone who wasnt form the american continent. I think they should be a little more world aware for want of a better term.

I also agree that the war thing is way overdone. Americans forget that if the european countries like Britain and Russia hadnt held on for as long as they did, or hadnt kept fighting as much as they could, or hadn't endured the blitz that devastated their capital cities, hitler wouldve been on their doorstep before long.

America is ruled by Greed,GREED.Its no longer the land of the free,its people suffer in silence,as the upper class dont even look at them.Americans think they were the first in space,when Russia really was.

America quickly forgets it owes France,Russia and Great Britain a great debt.
 
Jourmugand said:
Fix your own mess.Im not insulting you,its just that its common sence.



Britain stole the land from the Native Americans,yes,that much is true,and the Natives have every right to be angry.I hear that they still are,i remember a vandalization of a Christopher Columbus statue on his holiday.



I wouldnt go that far,the Founding Fathers were very intelligent,and good men.Its sad to see their country rot,and turn corrupt.



America is ruled by Greed,GREED.Its no longer the land of the free,its people suffer in silence,as the upper class dont even look at them.Americans think they were the first in space,when Russia really was.

America quickly forgets it owes France,Russia and Great Britain a great debt.


What!!?

Hell No!
 
Equinox said:
Sometimes I wish the human race never existed.. Planet earth would have been so much better off and peaceful without us :( :down

Then why are you here?? Geeez...if you really mean what you say, you'd set the example. Right?
 
We should start a thread called, 'Ugly Foreigners who so desperately want to live here in America.'
 
Jourmugand said:
Fix your own mess.Im not insulting you,its just that its common sence.



Britain stole the land from the Native Americans,yes,that much is true,and the Natives have every right to be angry.I hear that they still are,i remember a vandalization of a Christopher Columbus statue on his holiday.



I wouldnt go that far,the Founding Fathers were very intelligent,and good men.Its sad to see their country rot,and turn corrupt.



America is ruled by Greed,GREED.Its no longer the land of the free,its people suffer in silence,as the upper class dont even look at them.Americans think they were the first in space,when Russia really was.

America quickly forgets it owes France,Russia and Great Britain a great debt.


So greed is just an American trait, huh? Hahahaha!!!!!!

The U.N. Oil for Food scandal



First of two parts.
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry complains that President Bush pursued a unilateralist foreign policy that gave short shrift to the concerns of the United Nations and our allies when it came to taking military action against Saddam Hussein. But the mounting evidence of scandal that has been uncovered in the U.N. Oil For Food program suggests that there was never a serious possibility of getting Security Council support for military action because influential people in Russia and France were getting paid off by Saddam. After the fall of Baghdad last spring, France and Russia tried to delay the lifting of sanctions against Iraq and continue the Oil for Food program. That's because France and Russia profited from it: The Times of London calculated that French and Russian companies received $11 billion worth of business from Oil for Food between 1996 and 2003.
Most disturbing are Iraqi records that suggest Benon Sevan, the executive director of the Oil for Food office, received a voucher for 11.5 million barrels of oil from Saddam's manipulation of the program — enough to yield a profit of between $575,000 and $3.5 million.
In a series of articles published earlier this year, the Iraqi independent newspaper al Mada reported on a list of several hundred individuals, corporations and political parties that benefited from Saddam's oil vouchers and explained how the system worked. The intent of the program was to sell Iraqi oil to pay for food and medicine for the Iraqi people, who were suffering due to sanctions. Instead, vouchers were doled out as gifts or as payment for goods imported into the country in violation of U.N. sanctions. The recipient would then turn the voucher over to one of a number of firms operating in the United Arab Emirates, in exchange for commissions ranging anywhere from 5 cents to 30 cents per barrel, depending on market conditions. (This translates into a profit of $50,000 on the low end and $300,000 on the high end for every 1 million barrels worth of oil vouchers.)
The beneficiary list (found in the archives of the Iraqi Oil Ministry and translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute) should be deeply embarrassing to many prominent people. In the United States, those listed include Iraqi American businessman Shaker Al-Khaffaji, who put up $400,000 to produce a film by ex-U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, which aimed to discredit weapons inspections in Iraq. Also, British Labor MP George Galloway, a strident foe of taking action against Saddam, is listed as a recipient or co-recipient of 19.5 million barrels.
Other recipients include: former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua (12 million barrels); Patrick Maugein, CEO of the oil company Soco International and financial backer of French President Jacques Chirac (25 million); former French Ambassador to the United Nations Jean-Bernard Merimee (11 million); Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri (10 million); and Syrian businessman Farras Mustafa Tlass, the son of longtime Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlass (6 million). Leith Shbeilat, chairman of the anti-corruption committee of the Jordanian Parliament, received 15.5 million.
Right now, Claude Hankes-Drielsma, a British investigator, is auditing the program on behalf of the Iraqi government. His findings, and the records reported on in the Iraqi press, deserve serious scrutiny. If it turns out that prominent politicians and businessmen profiteered while Iraqis were deprived of basic necessities that the Oil for Food program was supposed to pay for, there should be serious consequences, up to and including criminal prosecution.



That's one reason France and russia didn't want us going in, as well.

Greed is common to the human race. Not just America.
 
deemar325 said:
We should start a thread called, 'Ugly Foreigners who so desperately want to live here in America.'


Man...that avatar!! :eek:
 
I personally don't care what other countries think of us. Heck..the minute there's some great disaster of some foreign country needs a submarine to be rescued, who do they look to????

Russian submarine trapped on sea floor, seven aboardYevgeny Kulkov (AP)

Vladivostok (Russia), August 5, 2005


A Russian mini-submarine with seven sailors on board got caught on a fishing net and was stuck on Friday on the sea floor off Russia's Pacific Coast as oxygen supplies dwindled, Navy officials said.

Naval authorities were racing to figure out how to raise the vessel from a depth of some 190 meters (625 feet), and a navy spokesman said there was only enough air on the craft to last another day. The US Navy was scrambling to send an unmanned underwater vehicle to help rescue efforts at Russia's request, and Britain and Japan also rushed to help.
However, it was unclear whether there was sufficient oxygen aboard the small vessel to keep the crew alive long enough for the US vehicle to reach the remote accident site.

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Right, and they spent how much saving 7 men? I find it funny how America glorifies rescue operations. It's ridiculous, after 9/11, we have "heroes" action figures in our toy stores - firemen.

And Schumacher has more skill than anyone in Nascar, i'm sorry. There is a lot more movement and coordination in a formula 1 race than Nascar.
 
8Ball2/JanG5 said:
Right, and they spent how much saving 7 men? I find it funny how America glorifies rescue operations. It's ridiculous, after 9/11, we have "heroes" action figures in our toy stores - firemen.

And Schumacher has more skill than anyone in Nascar, i'm sorry. There is a lot more movement and coordination in a formula 1 race than Nascar.


So seven lives have a price tag, now?? Rescue operations deserve to be put on the front page! It highlights the best in us. It's saving lives. What's wrong with that? The police and firemen deserved to be immortalized for 911.
 
"It brings out the best in us."

Exactly the attitude I hate. I'm sorry, rescue operations are not the measure of divine good in humanity. We could probably save more people for less in Africa, but you know that only matters when it's a hot campagne issue.
 
celldog said:
Then why are you here?? Geeez...if you really mean what you say, you'd set the example. Right?


what is that about?It's not like he isn't right.:confused:
 

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