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[Hound55]

Yeah... I miss early series' Sliders.

 

[Assassin]

Wouldn't have cared, hell, I would have preferred it.

me too

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't know how Scott Pilgrim got away with sampling all those music motifs from Zelda. Did Nintendo rent out the license or something? All I could think about when those sounds came on was "infringement...'nother infringement...etc..."

I think there's some kind of law that allows things like that to used in certain amounts. You can't rip songs, but I think if you only have some very marginal bit from said song it's not considered infringement. I'm not sure the law and technically of it, but I believe it's a legit law.

Also, it was reported earlier that Wright and score director met with Miyamoto in relation to the music if I remember correctly. I don't know if it was licenses related, though, may have been

 

[TimBisley]

Spoiler

Arturo was killed off

 

[Assassin]

I don't know how Scott Pilgrim got away with sampling all those music motifs from Zelda. Did Nintendo rent out the license or something? All I could think about when those sounds came on was "infringement...'nother infringement...etc..."

they actually let the Nintendo guy watch the movie before anyone else (he said that's the only way he'll let them use it) and as long as he was okay with everything and the manners they were used, and he liked the film, he would okay it. To which he loved the film and gave them his blessings.

 

[BrianWilly]

I think there's some kind of law that allows things like that to used in certain amounts. You can't rip songs, but I think if you only have some very marginal bit from said song it's not considered infringement. I'm not sure the law and technically of it, but I believe it's a legit law.

Also, it was reported earlier that Wright and score director meant with Miyamoto in relation to the music if I remember correctly. I don't know if it was licenses related, though, may have been

I'm taking a business of media class right now which is why I even noticed this thing, and those kinds of laws are basically urban legends. Legally, there's no predetermined amount of measures, notes, or length of time sampled where it suddenly becomes okay to use someone's music without permission. Especially in this day and age, the RIAA is really up in a tizzle about this sort of thing. They'll crack down on you if you use anything from any intellectual property, even the smallest amount detectable mechanically...just a warning to all you budding mixers out there.

The idea that the filmmakers may have met with Nintendo and just came to an agreement about it sounds pretty likely, though.

 

[Assassin]

read my post bwilly

 

[Assassin]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/for...iven-Advance-Screening-of-Scott-Pilgrim-Movie

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm taking a business of media class right now which is why I even noticed this thing, and those laws are basically urban legends. Legally, there's no predetermined amount of measures, notes, or length of time sampled where it suddenly becomes okay to use someone's music without permission. Especially in this day and age, the RIAA is really up in a tizzle about this sort of thing.

The idea that they may have met with Nintendo and just came to an agreement about it sounds pretty likely, though.

Really? Isn't there something called fair use that relates to that? I only really know because their was a case that it came up for a movie not too long ago (they had a very brief snippet from a song without licensing it), and the producers and scorers ultimately got off despite being sued by the IP holder. But I don't know much about law, especially copyright law, so I'm sure you're right.

Though, yeah, Ass is right. I didn't know the meeting was specifically about licensing, but I guess it was.

 

[Mystirious]

It was really sad

 

[Assassin]

i think bwilly has me on ignore from a previous argument

 

[BrianWilly]

Really? Isn't there something called fair use that relates to that? I only really know because their was a case that it came up for a movie not too long ago (they had a very brief snippet from a song without licensing it), and the producers and scorers ultimately got off despite being sued by the IP holder. But I don't know much about law, especially copyright law, so I'm sure you're right.

Though, yeah, Ass is right. I didn't know the meeting was specifically about licensing, but I guess it was.

Fair use applies to things like journalism, critique, education, or even charity in some cases. And even then it isn't an airtight defense, and one of the ways it'll actually come back to bite you in the ass is if you're making any profit off of what you're using.

Another thing to remember is that going to court is very risky and time/money consuming, and how it all ends up can depend on a whole lot of things having nothing to do with whether or not you're actually in the right. People legally "in the right" may not decide to even pursue the case if they're not 100% certain it'll turn out favorably for them in the long run of months and months it'll take. Even if it'll end up in their favor monetarily, they might not want the bad publicity. Big business going after smaller independents is always going to make them look worse to the public, though of course no one should depend on that because clearly the RIAA, for one, has decided it'll take that chance.

Also, the laws are changing all the time anyway. A few years ago we didn't even see those blurred-out T-shirts on TV, now everything with a logo that the show hasn't actually paid to display has to be blurred. The whole "can't sample even a little bit of music" thing has come up to protect IP distributors from consumers on the internet, and not necessarily other "legitimate" distributors.

 

[Mystirious]

Really? Isn't there something called fair use that relates to that? I only really know because their was a case that it came up for a movie not too long ago (they had a very brief snippet from a song without licensing it), and the producers and scorers ultimately got off despite being sued by the IP holder. But I don't know much about law, especially copyright law, so I'm sure you're right.

Though, yeah, Ass is right. I didn't know the meeting was specifically about licensing, but I guess it was.

I thought that fair use applied to song parodies

 

[Tron Bonne]

Fair use applies to things like journalism, critique, education, or even charity in some cases. And even then it isn't an airtight defense, and one of the ways it'll actually come back to bite you in the ass is if you're making any profit off of what you're using.

Another thing to remember is that going to court is very risky and time/money consuming, and how it all ends up can depend on a whole lot of things having nothing to do with whether or not you're actually in the right. People legally "in the right" may not decide to even pursue the case if they're not 100% certain it'll turn out favorably for them in the long run of months and months it'll take. Even if it'll end up in their favor monetarily, they might not want the bad publicity. Big business going after smaller independents is always going to make them look worse to the public, though of course no one should depend on that because clearly the RIAA for one has decided it'll take that chance.

Also, the laws are changing all the time anyway. A few years ago we didn't even see those blurred-out T-shirts on TV, now everything with a logo that the show hasn't actually paid to display has to be blurred. The whole "can't sample even a little bit of music" thing has come up to protect IP from consumers on the internet, and not necessarily other "legitimate" distributors.

Interesting. I only had a vague notion of the fair use thing from what I read on the movie I mentioned. Guess it goes to show how much I know about that kind of stuff. I should read a book on it, maybe there's a 'Copyright Law For Dummies' or something.

 

[BrianWilly]

I thought that fair use applied to song parodies

Yup, and even then in this case it would only apply if your parody was actually parodying the contents of the original song. You can't just take the tune of "Single Ladies" and sing about yard sales and call it a parody.

Weird Al does just that, for instance, but he actually pays for the permission to do so.

In other news, did everybody else know the Slayer was a robot David Yost is gay?? I feel like this should rock the universe further to its core.

 

[Mystirious]

Yup, and even then in this case it would only apply if your parody was actually parodying the contents of the original song. You can't just take the tune of "Single Ladies" and sing about yard sales and call it a parody.

Weird Al does just that, for instance, but he actually pays for the permission to do so.

In other news, did everybody else know the Slayer was a robot David Yost is gay?? I feel like this should rock the universe further to its core.

Glad he has come out.

The Slayer was a robot?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, I saw that in the 'Things I learned today' thread in The Wasteland of The Emerald Empire' (aka Community).

 

[Assassin]

tron bonnie please tell bwilly about my post and link, also tell him to unblock me.

 

[TimBisley]

I met David Yost when I was a kid. Got his autograph, and got to see Kimberly in person, it was awesome. It saddens me to here what he had to deal with.

 

[Tron Bonne]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/for...iven-Advance-Screening-of-Scott-Pilgrim-Movie

BW, this is a link Ass posted about the Nintendo thing, and Ass would also like to be unblocked

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, I saw that in the 'Things I learned today' thread in The Wasteland of The Emerald Empire' (aka Community).

I heard about it in the gay rights thread

 

[BrianWilly]

BW, this is a link Ass posted about the Nintendo thing, and Ass would also like to be unblocked

Nice.

Tell Ass I charge twenty dollars for every post he wants me to see.

 

[Anubis]

Gotta start putting the rub on my meat.

Get your minds outta the gutter! I'm Barbecuing tomorrow.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Ass, BW will see you, but you gotta pay

 

[lixdexia]

you know what i hate about the rami spider-man movies? that they come up with an excuse for every villian. the only real bad guy in the whole series was venom.