The "What You Do or Don't Believe" Thread

[Rowsdower!]

Given all the rumors that have been flying around about this movie, I just thought it might be fun to see what fans are expecting - and not expecting - from this movie, based on what we've heard so far. Hopefully this doesn't cut too close to any other thread but if it does, close it, I guess. Here are my thoughts...

It's an Origin/Superman Begins movie - this seems logical, though I thought due to the legal dispute with the heirs they can't make it an origin movie? Not sure about this one. Perhaps they just can't specifically show Kal-El blasting off from Krypton? Either way, I think we'll still see a young Clark deciding to become Superman.

Lois Lane is NOT the main love interest - I think this one might have some credibility, depending on how much we see of Clark before he goes to Metropolis.

Zod is the main villain - Not buying it... not only because I want to see a new villain but also because Snyder (somewhat) denied it a while back. That could have changed, but I've seen nothing concrete yet.

Ursa is the mystery female - REALLY not buying this one. Even if Zod is in it, I don't think Ursa will be.

Brainiac is the central villain - Sticking to my guns here and saying that this is a BOOM, as Adam Schein would say. Latino Review and some other sites said that Brainy would be the big bad in this film, and I've seen nothing that proves otherwise as of yet. Plus, I really want to see it, so I hope it's true.

The mystery female lead is Cat Grant - This rumor, I think, does have some potential. If we do see Clark as a young, traveling reporter, Cat is entirely a possibility.

Clark gets involved in wars in Africa - This one seems a little far-fetched. I don't know that they went to delve into controversial subject matter like this in a Superman film, especially now with tensions going on in certain parts of Africa.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Zod is the main villain - Not buying it... not only because I want to see a new villain but also because Snyder (somewhat) denied it a while back. That could have changed, but I've seen nothing concrete yet.

Ursa is the mystery female - REALLY not buying this one. Even if Zod is in it, I don't think Ursa will be.

Brainiac is the central villain - Sticking to my guns here and saying that this is a BOOM, as Adam Schein would say. Latino Review and some other sites said that Brainy would be the big bad in this film, and I've seen nothing that proves otherwise as of yet. Plus, I really want to see it, so I hope it's true.

Honestly, the one rumor that I think has the most credibility to it at this point, is that Zod is the main villain.

While true that when Latino Review broke the Goyer story back in Feb. 2010, they mentioned that Goyer's story included Lex/Brainiac. This was probably before Goyer started working on the script.

When Snyder was hired last October and the Hollywood Reporter first reported that Zod was the villain, Latino Review backed them up and also confirmed Zod as well:

Latinoreview can also confirm THR's story of General Zod being the villain in the new Superman movie.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/zack-snyder-is-directing-superman-11288


Then LR reports that Ursa is the mystery female lead (in regards to the shortlist of actresses reported by Variety) and the HR states that Viggo Mortensen is their top choice to play Zod.

At this point, everything just points to Zod...

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, but they also wrote this a few days later:

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/zack-snyder-general-zod-in-superman-is-just-a-rumor-11392

Now, they did say that a trusted source told them that Ursa would be in the film:

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-superman-s-undisclosed-character-revealed-12492

But they also list the three actresses who supposedly never actually tried out for the movie at all.

And didn't Kel or one of the other LR writers tweet recently that they were right about Brainiac being the main villain?

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Not sure about the Brainiac tweet from LR. Not that I know of.

Shouldn't be long now, though.

Once principal photography starts, we'll have a clearer picture of which characters (and who will be playing them) are in and out...


Maybe will luck out and get Zod, Brainiac and Lex...

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I'd be cool with that. Though I'd worry that it might take too much focus off of Superman, but after all, Batman Begins had Ra's, Scarecrow and Falcone and it was still Batman's movie, so it should be okay.

 

[Zack Snyder]

Not sure I'm buying Zod. If I did buy Zod I'd return him.

 

[BH/HHH]

What I know:

Zack Snyder is directing
Henry Cavill is Superman
Diane Lane is Martha Kent

What I believe:

They are in talks with Kevin Costner about the Pa Kent role
General Zod has a role in the film
This is a Superman Begins type storyline and will use various Superman origin tales to make a complete story (i.e. Birthright, Secret Origin, etc)
Lois Lane will be in the film and i reckon the second half of the film
Superman will kick some major a** in this film
Tyler Bates will no doubt do the score

What I have thought MIGHT happen (from over thinking ):

Zod may end up been Brainiac: as Goyer and Nolan wrote the script we know they like their twists maybe Zod will have died on Krypton but Brainiac will masquerade as Zod
Lex Luthor will be the billionaire CEO of Lexcorp version

But what I believe might not happen its just from what I've heard I believe.

Not sure about the Brainiac tweet from LR. Not that I know of.

Shouldn't be long now, though.

Once principal photography starts, we'll have a clearer picture of which characters (and who will be playing them) are in and out...


Maybe will luck out and get Zod, Brainiac and Lex...

That would rock I really dont mind if we get Zod at least we know we'll get a Superfight

 

[7heBoss]

What I know:

What I believe:

They are in talks with Kevin Costner about the Pa Kent role
General Zod has a role in the film
This is a Superman Begins type storyline and will use various Superman origin tales to make a complete story (i.e. Birthright, Secret Origin, etc)
Lois Lane will be in the film and i reckon the second half of the film
Superman will kick some major a** in this film
Tyler Bates will no doubt do the score

Is there evidence of this? I haven't followed the scoring thread since Han Zimmer supposedly had the part and then denied it...

 

[7heBoss]

nevermind, i think i understand the tyler bates theory. He scores pretty much everything Zack makes. I don't know anything about this tyler bates guy, that gives me a bad feeling

 

[BH/HHH]

Is there evidence of this? I haven't followed the scoring thread since Han Zimmer supposedly had the part and then denied it...

That was in the what I believe part not what I know as fact. Tyler Bates does all Zack Snyder's scores.

nevermind, i think i understand the tyler bates theory. He scores pretty much everything Zack makes. I don't know anything about this tyler bates guy, that gives me a bad feeling

Just saw this after I posted

Nah hes pretty good actually I wouldn't worry.

 

[Showtime]

Clark gets involved in wars in Africa - This one seems a little far-fetched. I don't know that they went to delve into controversial subject matter like this in a Superman film, especially now with tensions going on in certain parts of Africa.

Whether this is actually in the movie or not, I don't think this sounds far-fetched at all since it is obviously a nod to Birthright.

Superman had an out of wedlock kid in the last one, I don't think going to Africa is all that controversial for Superman.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't think having an out-of-wedlock kid is all that controversial these days, unless your name is Mike Huckabee.

 

[7heBoss]

I don't think having an out-of-wedlock kid is all that controversial these days, unless your name is Mike Huckabee.

its the american way, good to know superman's values still hold true

 

[Rowsdower!]

Don't get me wrong, I hate Superman Returns just as much as anyone, but it has nothing to do with Superman lacking values or anything of the sort. It's because it was a sh** movie and really, the only thing controversial about him having a son was that (to my knowledge) he's never had a kid in the comics unless it was in some Elseworlds version.

 

[Showtime]

I don't think having an out-of-wedlock kid is all that controversial these days, unless your name is Mike Huckabee.

By that token, neither is Clark Kent being overseas in a part of the world where their are possible warring parties.

Was Tony Stark being captured by a militant band of mercenaries in a 3rd world country and put on video as a hostage controversial in 2008's "Iron Man" while U.S troops and other nations were occupying Iraq & Afghanistan?

 

[Rowsdower!]

No, but I think it's hard to work around that stuff with Iron Man. I mean, the original comic book version had Iron Man getting captured in Vietnam, right? Updating that setting to Afghanistan made sense, and there's really no way of working around a war setting, since it's integral to Iron Man's origins.

With Superman, it's not (although I haven't read Birthright so maybe when I do, I'll change my mind). I know neither character is realistic but I guess I would say Superman is MORE unrealistic so I like the idea of all threats in his stories to be more fantastical.

 

[Showtime]

No, but I think it's hard to work around that stuff with Iron Man. I mean, the original comic book version had Iron Man getting captured in Vietnam, right? Updating that setting to Afghanistan made sense, and there's really no way of working around a war setting, since it's integral to Iron Man's origins.

With Superman, it's not (although I haven't read Birthright so maybe when I do, I'll change my mind). I know neither character is realistic but I guess I would say Superman is MORE unrealistic so I like the idea of all threats in his stories to be more fantastical.

...and if true, all the studio would be doing is updating the opening of Birthright. I think it's pretty much the same thing.

Time winds forward to present day West Africa, where an ethnic conflict between the fictional Ghuri and Turaaba clans is claiming lives (this conflict is very reminiscent of the Hutu and Tutsi wars in Rwanda). Clark Kent, a freelance reporter in his early twenties, arrives to cover the conflict, and to meet with the Ghuri representative and activist, Kobe Asuru. Later, Clark interviews the Turaaba representative Mr. Kebile who dislikes Kobe and opposes Ghuri rights. While protecting Kobe's sister Abana from a thrown bomb, he hears a commotion and speeds back to the rally where Kobe has already been stabbed. Enraged, Clark grabs the fleeing assassin and throws him into a wall, demanding to know who hired him. The terrified killer raises his arm—pointing directly at Rep. Kebile, who is incidentally surrounded by media. Kebile is besieged with questions and is later forced to resign.

 

[GA1U5]

I don't think having an out-of-wedlock kid is all that controversial these days, unless your name is Mike Huckabee.

Or "Superman."

 

[sf2]

my reply.
Rowsdower = Given all the rumors that have been flying around about this movie, I just thought it might be fun to see what fans are expecting - and not expecting - from this movie, based on what we've heard so far. Hopefully this doesn't cut too close to any other thread but if it does, close it, I guess. Here are my thoughts...

It's an Origin/Superman Begins movie - this seems logical, though I thought due to the legal dispute with the heirs they can't make it an origin movie? Not sure about this one. Perhaps they just can't specifically show Kal-El blasting off from Krypton? Either way, I think we'll still see a young Clark deciding to become Superman.
sf: origin is ok to me. i prefer more an established superman story though.

Lois Lane is NOT the main love interest - I think this one might have some credibility, depending on how much we see of Clark before he goes to Metropolis.
sf: romance is a must.

Zod is the main villain - Not buying it... not only because I want to see a new villain but also because Snyder (somewhat) denied it a while back. That could have changed, but I've seen nothing concrete yet.
sf: NO TO ZOD!

Ursa is the mystery female - REALLY not buying this one. Even if Zod is in it, I don't think Ursa will be.
sf: NO TO URSA!!

Brainiac is the central villain - Sticking to my guns here and saying that this is a BOOM, as Adam Schein would say. Latino Review and some other sites said that Brainy would be the big bad in this film, and I've seen nothing that proves otherwise as of yet. Plus, I really want to see it, so I hope it's true.
sf: Yes to Brainiac!!!

The mystery female lead is Cat Grant - This rumor, I think, does have some potential. If we do see Clark as a young, traveling reporter, Cat is entirely a possibility.
sf: Yes to Cat Grant!!!!

Clark gets involved in wars in Africa - This one seems a little far-fetched. I don't know that they went to delve into controversial subject matter like this in a Superman film, especially now with tensions going on in certain parts of Africa.
sf: No To Africa! No to batman begins ripoff!!!

 

[BH/HHH]

my reply.
Clark gets involved in wars in Africa - This one seems a little far-fetched. I don't know that they went to delve into controversial subject matter like this in a Superman film, especially now with tensions going on in certain parts of Africa.
sf: No To Africa! No to batman begins ripoff!!!

Its hardly a Batman Begins ripoff Bruce Wayne didn't get involved in a political battle in Africa and its well known in Superman history in many incarnations that before he cam to Metropolis he travelled the world and learned about other cultures etc. Also to note Bruce went to train to fight crime, Clark Kent's in Africa trying to find himself and be a reporter.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I guess it might not be a bad thing. What Showtime posted up there sounds pretty good actually. I guess I should read Birthright.

Anyway, I guess we'll just have to see what happens with that. What I wonder about the most is what they said in that recent report that Nolan and Goyer came to WB with something that they supposedly "couldn't believe" WB hadn't explored in a Superman movie. If that's true, I really wonder what they could be. Political power struggles in Africa (or wherever) really doesn't seem like it would be it...

Maybe, though. I don't know how much of a comic book fan Nolan is, but it could simply be a villain or a comic plot that he feels they should have adapted (like the entire Birthright story or something).

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, I guess it might not be a bad thing. What Showtime posted up there sounds pretty good actually. I guess I should read Birthright.

Anyway, I guess we'll just have to see what happens with that. What I wonder about the most is what they said in that recent report that Nolan and Goyer came to WB with something that they supposedly "couldn't believe" WB hadn't explored in a Superman movie. If that's true, I really wonder what they could be. Political power struggles in Africa (or wherever) really doesn't seem like it would be it...

Maybe, though. I don't know how much of a comic book fan Nolan is, but it could simply be a villain or a comic plot that he feels they should have adapted (like the entire Birthright story or something).

Read it its brilliant

As for the political Africa plot it takes up a very short amount of the story so it would be over in the first 20 mins in my opinion of a movie but part of it is instrumental in him becoming Superman just read it believe me ist superb.

I really feel Goyer & Nolan have taken elements from Birthright, Secret Origins and maybe even Earth One & Man of Steel.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I really need to check it out. I remember thinking of picking it up when it came out, but I already had WAY too many comics I was reading week-to-week. But I'll definitely give it a read now.

I just hope, more than anything, this movie has a truly epic feel like Thor looks like it will be. I think if we get a Superman film that looks something like that, people will be chomping at the bit to see it.

 

[BestGirl]

Yeah, I guess it might not be a bad thing. What Showtime posted up there sounds pretty good actually. I guess I should read Birthright.

Anyway, I guess we'll just have to see what happens with that. What I wonder about the most is what they said in that recent report that Nolan and Goyer came to WB with something that they supposedly "couldn't believe" WB hadn't explored in a Superman movie. If that's true, I really wonder what they could be. Political power struggles in Africa (or wherever) really doesn't seem like it would be it...

Maybe, though. I don't know how much of a comic book fan Nolan is, but it could simply be a villain or a comic plot that he feels they should have adapted (like the entire Birthright story or something).

Warfare in Africa actually could be it. Maybe it never occurred to WB to put Superman in the middle of some realistic crisis. When I think of Superman, I imagine him stopping crooked land schemes or duking it out with aliens or nabbing robbers, not putting an end to civil wars. I'll bet the audience will be surprised to see it too.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, you're right, it could be really good if done well. I don't know though. It just seems like it would be something else that they want to do, especially if the Africa thing is only a minor part of the story.