The "What You Do or Don't Believe" Thread

[Rust]

I have no idea of course, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we get Brainiac, Zod, Ursa, and of course Lex and Intergang. WB needs this film to go gangbusters at the B.O., so I believe we will get multiple villians like we saw in BB and TDK, along with some pretty intense action.

Very plausible indeed, again with Snyder at the helm.

 

[GA1U5]

I don't know where it will lead, but you better believe they're using the Batman films as their model.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I think that if they are basing the story on Birthright (finished it last night by the way... loved it), they could easily fit Brainiac into the story. When Lex

Spoiler

opens the wormhole to Krypton, Brainy could show up and assault Metropolis. It would be a cool addition to the story. Lex could be trying to stage the fake Kryptonian assault on the city, but then he accidentally brings about a true threat in the form of a Kryptonian computer gone haywire.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think that if they are basing the story on Birthright (finished it last night by the way... loved it), they could easily fit Brainiac into the story. When Lex

Spoiler

opens the wormhole to Krypton, Brainy could show up and assault Metropolis. It would be a cool addition to the story. Lex could be trying to stage the fake Kryptonian assault on the city, but then he accidentally brings about a true threat in the form of a Kryptonian computer gone haywire.

Well you could even fit it in with having Brainiac and Luthor both create the fake invasion and maybe have Brainiac turn on Luthor.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Well you could even fit it in with having Brainiac and Luthor both create the fake invasion and maybe have Brainiac turn on Luthor.

Agreed, that could work too.

 

[GreenKToo]

I think it will be based alot on Birthright, and will take a cue from BB and TDK.

Some of this is borrowed form bits i've read over the years, other parts are my own.
My idea film would be to have Brainiac as the main villain..Zod and ursa would be shown on Krypton only. Zod is jealous of Jor-el's achievements and he creates Brainiac out of spite. When Zod presents Brainiac to the council, it is rejected.

Zod throws a tantrum and he and ursa kill most of the council members.

Realizing what he has done, and fearing for his life, Zod programs Brainiac to destroy krypton. He then plans for he and Ursa to escape. Before the end, Zod's hatred of the EL's is somehow accidentally downloaded into Brainiac. That act causes Brainiac to become sentient. Brainiac kills Zod and Ursa then escapes the planet in their ship.

Two spacecraft are seen leaving the exploding planet. Both craft carry life that has just started..one carries Krypton's last son, the other a cyborg/computer. One craft heads to Earth, the other to God knows where.

We would see Clarks arriving at this point, his growing up in smallville, traveling the earth before becoming Superman, getting his job at the DP, And his first encounter with Lex.

Many, many years later, after visiting several other planets and leaving them in ruins, Brainiac tracks Kal-el to Earth, where superman is already established and has history with Lex. Brainiac has created a Large spacecraft and several drones of himself..each almost as strong as the original, and each just as strong as Superman.

Brainiac attempts to defeat Superman with the drones..big fights over several countries, lots of damage and destruction. So far superman holds his own and defeats a few of the drones, but he is starting to weaken from the constant fighting, and gets knocked down. They swarm him.

Lex is at first giddy to see Brainiac getting the best of Superman, but when he realizes that Brainiac might actually win and then take over the Earth himself (or destroy it) Lex intervens. It would be a 'the enemy of my enemy' sort of thing.
Maybe Parasite, Metallo, and Bizarro will exist in this film..It would be something to see Lex send them to aid Superman..weird, but still kool.

I think with Snyder directing, anything is possible.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Something like that could actually really work. Except instead of Zod getting killed, Brainiac could sent him to the Phantom Zone (so he could show up down the road).

 

[BH/HHH]

Something like that could actually really work. Except instead of Zod getting killed, Brainiac could sent him to the Phantom Zone (so he could show up down the road).

I'd prefer that

 

[Herolee10]

If Fear was the theme and motif for Batman Begins, then would it be safe to say that "Hope" could be the predominant theme and motif for "The Man of Steel"?

Which leads me to another point. I really hope that IF the film chooses to focus on how Clark as superman, gives hope to people, that they really do emphasize on how the citizens of Metropolis, if not the world, are gaining that sense of hope from his actions and presence.

The Donner films kept emphasizing on how Superman was meant to be a symbol of hope, a source of light to show humans the right way, and yet I didn't see any of that in regards to the people's POV about those things and how they were being affected emotionally by his actions and presence in the long term.

And in regards to the usage of villains, whoever they choose to be the villains for this film, i really hope that when they're choosing, that they've contemplated things like as to whether they could faithfully portray the villain that they're choosing and not just have them there for the sake of being there. I want the villains to be there because they actually have a purpose and that they're used to move the story and Superman's development forward.

Also, they have to keep in mind to know on which villains they would want to save for potential sequels as well.

I mean, if they used Brainiac for example in this film, who would they use for the sequel, let alone the third film?

I would imagine that someone like Darkseid could be used for the final film of the series, assuming the the series ends on the third film.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I believe this movie will be of "eh" quality but also have some decent to above average action scenes, which at this point, is what I want to see the most in a Superman movie.

 

[Wheels]

I believe this movie will be of "eh" quality but also have some decent to above average action scenes, which at this point, is what I want to see the most in a Superman movie.

Why do you believe the movie wiil be of "eh" quality?

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Because Snyder's directing and I'm not a fan. I think he's a low grade Tim Burton. His movies are very stylish and look cool but the overall product isn't that great.

 

[Wheels]

Because Snyder's directing and I'm not a fan. I think he's a low grade Tim Burton. His movies are very stylish and look cool but the overall product isn't that great.

Okay that's cool man. I enjoy Snyder's films myself, but I understand where you're coming from.

 

[GreenKToo]

I think we'll do good by getting one film, let alone three, but if we did get three, i'd want them somewhat along these lines.....

Brainiac for the first film, with a sprinkling of other villains, Zod, Ursa, Lex and Intergang.
2nd film, Lex, Metallo, Bizarro, and Zod.
3rd, Magog and all the anti-hero stuff that goes with him.

I'd love Darkseid, but I can't see them doing him justice.

 

[solidsnake86]

I think zod is in the film, he was confirmed by latino review and the hollywood reporter, I'd say thats pretty good. I also think we'll see brainiac tied into zod's past like the comics and possible foreshadowing of him, but I don't think they'll have them both together in one film fighting for the main spotlight like some have been guessing.

I also think this is going to deal with his origin but starting off with him already in his 20's with possible flashbacks to his youth, and I say this based on the casting of diane lane (and costner if he gets confirmed).

At this point we don't really know much so it will be interesting if a synopsis surfaces. Something tells me that a lot fo webmasters have already been privy to this info though.

 

[Frodo]

What I don't believe

* That Lois won't be in the film and it will be an another love interest instead. This has no basis in fact other then speculation by websites based on a rumor that three actresses were trying out or a female role other then Lois. It also doesn't help that the three actresses all denied that they were even testing for a part for the film.

* That the film is based on Birthright and that Clark will be travelling the world. This again seems to be based more on what fans may want , as opposed to any information. However, I agree that it would be cool if Birthright was at least used as a jumping off point.

* Zod and Ursa are the villans. This one could go either way given the names being thrown out like Viggo and Lewis but for now ,i'll take Synder at his original word that the Zod talk was just a rumor.

* The casting of Lois is between the big three Biel, McAdams, and Wilde. While it's possible one of these three will get the role, its also possible the studio will go with a dark horse candidate that the web hasn't heard yet.

* The script will basically be Batman Begins with Superman in it. This assuption lies in the fact Nolan and Goyer are involved. This assumption also ignores that Nolan and Goyer usually attempt to tell a different story every time, while certain themes may carry over. I doubt that Goyer has basically remade BB in terms of plot structure but plugging in Clark instead.

What I do believe

* Expected the unexpected in terms of casting. The brief casting of this film so far has come as a pleasant suprise to fans and we have gotten two names that were for the most part off the radar of the fan and web community. While Cavill's name had been kicking around for years, aside from some hypesters, it'd be hard to argue that the web and fan community knew he was gonna be cast especially given the debate was between Hammer, Joe M or even Jon Hamm. And let's be honest, nobody was saying Diane Lane would be cast as Martha Kent. I wouldn't be suprised if alot of the people who end up cast for the film will not be the names we've heard rumored.

*Lois will be in the film . I really doubt that they're not gonna have Lois Lane in some capacity .

* That Goyer script will approach the character in a new way as Nolan alluded to and that the script will address the relevence of the Superman character in the 21st century as Synder stated.

* This film is gonna be the post crisis version and not the pre crisis version that Singer used.

* The film is a reboot but not an origin story.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think zod is in the film, he was confirmed by latino review and the hollywood reporter, I'd say thats pretty good. I also think we'll see brainiac tied into zod's past like the comics and possible foreshadowing of him, but I don't think they'll have them both together in one film fighting for the main spotlight like some have been guessing.

I think Zod's in it too and I honestly don't mind if he is I'd love to see a super smackdown

At this point we don't really know much so it will be interesting if a synopsis surfaces. Something tells me that a lot fo webmasters have already been privy to this info though.

So you think a few webmasters already know the plot?

 

[solidsnake86]

^probably, and thats one of the perks to being one I would imagine, thing is they don't post the info for some reason or another and its probably because the source would get in trouble, until there given the go ahead at least. I mean, some guys on this message board were told bane was in the new batman movie weeks before it hit. Thing is I'm sure they have to sift through a lot of fake stuff too from fans who have nothing better to do then claim they have inside info. Also, some of the bigger websites have to make a choice, especially if there in good with the studios, whether they want a set visit or get the studio pissed for one scoop, its a fine line to walk. We all know what route BOF took, and frankly a lot of these websites are run by fanboys who love this stuff, I don't think I would trade a set visit, which I'm sure is a once in a lifetime experience, to see batman or superman so I can tell a bunch of people(who I don't know or care for) info that will eventually be put on the net because the movie has to come out sometime. To be honest I don't even visit the SHH homepage anymore because I can't remember the last time they broke any stories, maybe peter saarsgard as hammond?

 

[Rowsdower!]

Another one I thought I'd mention since people keep bringing it up.

Daniel Day Lewis is "in talks" for a role in this film.

Folks, DDL is one of the greatest actors of all time. Maybe even THE greatest actor of all time (though some guys named Brando, Olivier and De Niro might have a different opinion on that). But no matter how much we might yearn to see him in a superhero film, here's something you can take to the bank.

NOT.

GOING.

TO.

F**KING.

HAPPEN.

Sorry, but DDL said POINT BLANK in an interview that these films don't interest him. And yes, I know that Heath Ledger once said something similar back before he played the Joker, but Ledger wasn't the type of guy who would take YEARS off before taking up another role that interested him. He wasn't above taking a paycheck from time to time. As much as we might want it to happen, it absolutely never will. Not for Superman, or anything else.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

It would be cool for the DC vs. Marvel thing.

'We've got DDL and Oldman. **** you Marvel.'

 

[Marvin]

Because Snyder's directing and I'm not a fan. I think he's a low grade Tim Burton. His movies are very stylish and look cool but the overall product isn't that great.

because of his directing?

take 300 with its plot over story like structure
take away Snyders style and replace it with say Ron Howards more Subdued visual sense..

300 would have the same eh story and characters but with even less going for it.

I'm not his biggest fan, but he gets a bad rap for literally saving movies.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I've loved every one of Snyder's movies.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I like Snyder's style, personally. And I agree, 300 would have been a very mediocre film had it not been for him. I personally loved Watchmen too. And I'm really looking forward to Sucker Punch.

Didn't see the owl movie though.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Watchmen is the only comic book movie that has come close to TDK, imo.

Of course you want to see Sucker Punch. Hot chicks, guns, samurai robots, aliens, a dragon. ****in' awesome. t:

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yup. In some ways (I stress SOME ways) I actually think it's better. It's visually stunning, very well acted, and it keeps the story intact - yes, he made some changes and excised some things but if he didn't, the movie would have been 8 hours long. But try telling that to some brilliant Oscar-winning filmmakers who post here on this board.

OMG SYNder Rapped ALLen More's wurk it Wuz Horirble not Enough Bernies and no Pirate comics, plus Dr. Manhatten's weenie was Too Big Epic Fail Sack Znyder suckss.