Nah. It would probably be someone that's way past their prime again like Britney Spears. You know Vince is about 15 years behind the curve.
Funny you say that because when Men On A Mission made their debuts I kept thinking
"This sh** is at least five years out of date."
King Mabel
Thats why I see Vince pushing stuff like tout and twitter too much and not getting it at all. Thats why he goes overboard with it.
Originally Posted by SpideyVille
Yeah, I'm about to watch his Best in the World documentary, but the impression I get from him, which also makes me understand why people want to see him with Austin, is that he's a true rebel who calls out people on their BS in the business. He won't burn bridges because he wants a job, but he's willing to go far enough to a point where fans appreciate it because they know he's being real about it, and not something that's scripted.
I think if he gets fired up enough he really doesn't give a damn and will speak his mind no matter what. Thats what happened when he was going to leave in 2011. Thats a real rebel. He pushed the issue because he knew he was right. And he was. WWE would be hurting if they didn't have him right now yet he had to FORCE his shot. Just earning it wasn't enough in WWE land anymore. Thats pretty sad.
Its just that Punks a rebel but he also has this authenticity thats welcome in the world of wrestling politicks. If he's got a beef with someone he'll just say it instead of whispering behind their backs. He can be a d*** but like you said so could Austin. Austin also had to force his shot in some ways. and he's never been afraid to speak his mind. He walked out of WWE but unlike what Punk almost did he left in the wrong way. But I still respect him for speaking up instead of being a WWE robot.
Originally Posted by OnTheAir
Everyone is caught up in the heat of the moment right now. I get that. But to make declarations of walking away from the product just because of a bad show is a little bit extreme, in my opinion.
Ok. Wrestlemania sucked. But, isn't that what most people expected going into the show tonight?
We've all been complaining about the terrible build to this year's event...how the card only had one or two interesting matches, a couple of rematches that no one really wanted to see and the remaining bouts were booked like WWE threw names into a heel hat and a face hat, and pulled a name or two from each (with Show's name somehow getting mixed up with the faces).
Most of us said that we weren't thrilled with the build for Taker/Punk, but thought they could put on a decent match. Most of us said that we couldn't care less about Triple H/Lesnar II. Most of us said that we didn't need to see Rock/Cena II. Most of us said we had no interest in Del Rio/Swagger. Most of us were dreading Jericho jobbing to Fan-Curtis. Most of us were afraid that the six man would either end with a Shield loss, or Orton turning heel and aligning himself with them. Most of us didn't want to see Mark Henry job to Ryberg.
Out of those matches, what happened? Taker/Punk pulled off the match of the night, and in some people's opinion, a MOTYC. Triple H and Lesnar was dull and predictable, but not completely terrible. Rock and Cena was also dull and predictable. Del Rio and Swagger put on a technically acceptable match, but we continue not to care about either one of them. We had to sit through Jericho jobbing to Fan-Curtis, but it shouldn't have come as a surprise. The Shield won without ending up as Orton's lackeys. And in my welcome surprise of the night, Mark Henry beat Ryberg, even if the match sucked.
Am I saying we should be happy about these results? No...everyone's entitled to feel as they wish. I'm just saying that almost everything that happened was expected...we knew that this was set up to be one of the worse Wrestlemanias in history, and it probably was. But, I've been a wrestling fan since 1984...it's going to take more than a bad night for me to walk away.
I'm probably more of a TNA guy these days, but every now and then, something special happens on a WWE program. Every now and then, there's a match, a promo, an angle, a big return...something that reminds me why I have stuck with the product all of these years.
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't stop watching...you have to do what is in your heart. I'm just saying that as mad as I get with this company at times, there's always something that keeps my interest. And the Raw after Wrestlemania is almost always the best one of the year.
(By the way, Ziggler was never going to cash in tonight...a heel cashes in after an Elimination Chamber match, a no-holds-barred match, a Hell in a Cell match, or some other kind of hardcore bout where whoever wins just barely escapes and is too weak to defend himself...oh wait...what's next month's pay per view? Extreme Rules, you say? What a coincidence...)
I aint gonna give up on WWE yet because there are a few things I still enjoy or am curious about but tonight was a real blow for my optimism. it wasn't just about who won or lost but execution. Overall the execution of the PPV felt weak.
One of those few things I'm interested in seeing unfold is what The Shield does next. Right choice was made with them tonight.
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
He'll probably never get to close a Mania either, at least Savage did twice and once as the winner even if Hogan did partly hog the spotlight lol.
I think the only way he closes a Mania is by working with Cena. Thats one reason I think some people want to see that match. Another way is if Cena gets hurt and a part timer is unavailable but I hate to wish injury on anyone. Just don't see BOTH of those things happening.
Its just a shame because that old glass ceiling isn't there that held some guys back decades ago but its been replaced by something else: WWE's fear of taking risks and reliance on part timers instead of everybody getting more effort put into their pushes. Its like...one step forward one step back or some sh**.
Those same opportunities aren't opening up even to rotate out opponents the way Hogan's feuds did. We have the same handfull of part timers hogging the spotlight year after year now. The only reason Miz got to close Mania is they needed someone expendable to play the role of the afterthought in the Rock vs Cena build. Thats all that main event at WM27 was.
Before that Orton got the spot but he was one of the golden boys. Even that didn't save him from being a rung in HHH's never ending climb up his own a**.
Originally Posted by SpideyVille
I never followed Savage's career, but I saw a botchamania video that said one moment summed it up basically because Hogan messed it up. I know he was #3 behind Hogan and Warrior, but I think it makes sense that Hogan was the reason why he never got over like many would expect him to.
Hogan was like the red and yellow glass ceiling gfor all other babyfaces back then. Only way you'd get to work against him was as a heel. I think the only way Savage got the title spot at WM4 was because Hogan was off to shoot No Holds Barred. Hogan got it back from him at 5. WM8 was his chance to at least co main event because Hogan was potentially on the way out for good and they couldn't very well have him fighting for the belt there.
At some points Savage was even number 2 behind Hogan and he always delivered. Thats why its a shame he never got more chances to be more of a top guy. He had the talent. Punks in a similar spot now but like HR said its almost worse because Cenas ALWAYS being promoted even when not champ and a bunch of stuff revolves around Rock even when he's not there. At least Savage didn't deal with crap like that AND part timers in the main event. Piper became part time but he was usually in a support role.
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
I can't speak for the rest of the guys but I already stopped watching for 6 months and nothing in the 3 months that I've been back has convinced me to stick around, I mean if they can't even book the supposed biggest show of the year well then what hope is there?
All I see are the two old roided up leeches sucking the blood out of the young guys, Taker doing a rinse and repeat, the most stale wrestler in the business as champion again and the only guy worth a damn about to take time off, while in truth for months he's been wasted as WWE simply do not want to fully get behind him as he doesn't fit Vince's ideals, despite the last guy Vince felt the same about becoming the biggest draw since Hogan.
A lot of this sums up the gist of my frustrations too. I'm not going to just stop watching just yet but my enthusiasm is pretty low right now.
The thing with Punk burns the most. After tonight how the hell can they NOT recognize what he brings to the table? If things don't change for him after Mania and after he comes back from any break he takes thats goign to piss me off more than anything. Does he have to get a freaking endorsment from Vince McMahon Sr. from beyond the grave to get the respect he desrves?
Lesnar should have pulled a damn ringpost out of the ground and knocked HHH out of the stadium. I mean just destroyed him. Triple H can go f*** himself.
For some reason he think he should go over one of the biggest heels in the company even though he's not anywhere close to being the biggest face in the company. He's not Hogan and he never will be but he acts like he should be booked that way.
The real money isn't in Triple H beating Brock Lesnar. Its somewhere else in a much more interesting match with a guy with more potential than an aging B level star.
Originally Posted by OnTheAir
Deep down, I'm still that 12 year old kid who used to watch Hulk Hogan leg drop some jobber on a rare SuperStars of Wrestling appearance on Saturday morning, and then turn to watch Ric Flair walk that aisle on Worldwide Wrestling in the afternoon. Deep down, I still love "this business."
Hey man I'm that same kid. Exact same kid. My problem these days is it feels like Vince McMahon wants to go full pedo on that childhood wonder and anticipation and fingerf*** it to the point of ruination.
I don't want to quit watching but somebody get that crazy dirty old man named Vince McMahon away before he rapes the childhood love and respect for the business to death and throws it into a hole in the ground.
Originally Posted by Van Petrol
Had it not been for the Monday Night Wars and the competition, then I reckon Austin would have been in the same position Punk is in now.
Yup. Vince McMahon was forced to take that chance on Austin. Once he wasn't in a corner he reverted back to his old ways for the most part. Only difference is he liked the revenue generated by more PPV's and tv. Problem is with the tv "arms race" over there hasn't been as much to drive interest in so much on air product. We don't need as many PPV's or even tv because the demand isn't as strong.
Originally Posted by Van Petrol
From a business perspective, it just doesn't make sense for Cena to turn heel.
Thats why I knew it wasn't happeing just yet. its the Hogan model. Vince is not gonna screw with the cash cow. Cena might be getting a split reaction but people don't sit on their hands when he's around and he still makes WWE a ton of money as a babyface. WWE is satisfied with that and in some ways deluding themselves into thinking they can get even bigger without making certain needed changes.
Sadly its all about business and not potential business and quality. Thats why we have part timers hogging so many main events because its an easier way to make big money instead of losing a bit of money to properly invest in building new full time stars that will be able to draw years from now.
Originally Posted by The Sage
Stone Cold wasn't a kissing babies type of guy either, yet he was the face of the company. CM Punk could've been taken the face spot, freeing Cena up to turn heel, but they want someone who fits Vince's model of how a WWE star should look and behave
Punks not the issue its the direction Vince chooses to go in. Austin was lucky in that Vince was willing to push a more adult product back then. Now Vince is hellbelt on going more family friendly so he wants the true face of his company to be that.
I don't think WWE has to go full Attitude Era for Punk to be a good fit at the top but Vince doesn't seem to see it that way. he wants a more nice media friendly guy. Someone with a more mainstream image.
Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
Cena & Rock vs The Shield to headline Extreme Rules, I'm calling it now.
Lol. I think I beat you to it except I figured it would be Summerslam or Survivor Series so maybe you beat me.
