The Wrestling Thread...I Thought You Were Dead

[Project862006]

oh vince lol

why not just hire new jack for commentary then

 

[Benstamania]

...I don't think I'd say Rock was leagues ahead of any talker in wrestling... PERIOD.

His promo's against Cena can be.... Stupid. The baby talk is ******ed.

 

[Benstamania]

oh vince lol

why not just hire new jack for commentary then

Because New Jack would stab Cole in the throat and set King on fire...?

 

[BlackLantern]

he did seem a bit rusty, but I think that comes with not having anyone to "spar" with....part of why I think Nash had issues with Punk two weeks ago

hell Jerichos first promo back seemed a bit flat but was 10x better in about 2-3 weeks

 

[Metallo]

sooo....so by this same thinking comic book writers shouldn't be writing about Superman and Batman because they can't fly or aren't millionaire playboys?

I'm not a fan of having "writers" but its become a part of the WWE "way"....a way that has made Vince outlast his competition

Totally different. Wrestling blends fantasy and reality and uses real athletics as a base.

Comic books are coming far more from the fantasy side.

Nobody can fly or teleport but there are plenty of athletes out there that know the rush of competition and the physicality. Boxers, MMA fighters, Kickboxers, Wrestlers, etc. They know the punishment their bodies endure to perform. Its something believable and relatable.

In wrestling they STILL compete for a prize or title just like in legit sports. Thats something a normal person can far more easily relate to.

We've ALL played baseball or football even if it was just for fun. None of us have a damn clue what its like fly into the sun or lift a bus over our heads...unless we're high as motherf***ers on PCP

 

[Saint]

"Hey Big Kev! No play for Mr. Gray."

Nash looks a lot better here than he does with horrible dyed hair. Gives him more of a unique look, too. Not a lot of guys out there wrestling with grey hair.

 

[Benstamania]

I agree, Nash even once said he didn't plan on dying his hair because he didn't want to be one of those wrestlers that pretended they didn't age.

 

[Metallo]

and that's The Rock....a guy who, today, is still leagues ahead of any talker in wrestling....PERIOD

bullet points work if you can string stuff together by nature....guys I mentioned, like a McIntyre or Otunga, can't even handle that....

Thats what the bullet points are for. To keep people on point, remind them what to say, and say what they need to.

A LOT of the guys in the 80's aren't what I would call intellectuals but I'd take almost any of their promos over the scripted promos of today. I doubt One Man Gang was in MENSA but his promo was better than a lot of what we hear now.

Because New Jack would stab Cole in the throat and set King on fire...?

BEST. RAW. EVER. Id DVR that and treasure it.

 

[NDX]

This is a killer look for Nash. Shame WWE has pretty much crapped all over this. He looks older with the fake hair color.

 

[Benstamania]

BEST. RAW. EVER. Id DVR that and treasure it.

Haha.

 

[BlackLantern]

This is a killer look for Nash. Shame WWE has pretty much crapped all over this. He looks older with the fake hair color.

not like it matters.....98 percent of the WWE fans don't know who he is anyway

 

[Wheels]

I agree, Nash even once said he didn't plan on dying his hair because he didn't want to be one of those wrestlers that pretended they didn't age.

Nash really wants to be back in WWE though, so changing his hair color is a small price to pay I would imagine.

 

[NDX]

not like it matters.....98 percent of the WWE fans don't know who he is anyway

I think you're not giving the WWE audience enough credit. Only 91%, maybe 92% don't know who he is.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

 

[Slushy]

I don't understand Nash's problem with small guys, especially since two of his best friends are small guys in HBK and Sean Waltman. I find funny how Nash criticizes small guys all the time for being vanilla and generic, and yet he views Waltman as a great talent despite the fact he's never cut a great promo or had many great matches.

X-Pac was a great in-ring talent, but with Vince's big guy mindset, Waltman was regulated as being used a enchancement talent or JTTS, which isn't always a bad thing.

When Nash was booking in WCW, he made sure Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, and that one guy were held down because in Kevin Nash opinions, they were "vanilla midgets", a term to describe a professional wrestler who doesn't have the gimmick, size, style, and attitude to make it by getting over on the crowd, and be main event material. The keyword being gimmick.

Nash was pretty much what Vince was looking for. McMahon thought Diesel Power would be the new Hulkamania which is why he had a year long run with the title, but it backfired due to Nash's poor in-ring performances as well as poor choice of opponents as the WWF had a thin roster of people who could carry Nash to good matches thus him being one of the lowest drawing champions in the company's history.

While the numbers had something to say else about it, in Nash's mind, he was a main eventer and a former WWF Champion thus it was good enough for him to be called a draw (also consider his look and size as factors) and was able to get a HUGE contract with WCW which led to the N.W.O. era where he actually became a draw and that only inflated his ego.

I've always gotten the impression from Big Oldie that the title scene should only be for heavyweights. I can't find the shoot interview, but I do recall in one of them, while Nash admitted not to being the best worker, he didn't need to be. As long as you got a unique look and can talk on the mic, you should be able to draw.

I'm not condoning Nash's politicking in the past, but I can see where he's coming from. After all, he is a businessman at heart.

 

[Project862006]

Raw on 8/22 did a 2.97 rating and 4.64 million viewers, the second lowest non-holiday mark of the year.
The number was down because the New York Giants vs. Chicago Bears preseason game on ESPN did a 4.45 rating and 5.85 million viewers. That number doesn’t include over-the-air viewership of the game in both the New York and Chicago markets, which would increase that number significantly. Raw was No. 4 for the night on cable. Another example of why it was down being football is that the female viewers were strong, but male viewers were the lowest of any Raw except the 7/4 show this year with a 64-36% skew, which doesn’t bode well for male viewership when the regular season begins and football attracts double that audience.
In the segment-by-segment, the opening segment with Alberto Del Rio, John Cena, C.M. Punk and HHH did a 3.29 first quarter. A disaster is that Del Rio vs. John Morrison lost 777,000 viewers. Nikki Bella vs. Eve Torres stayed even. Jack Swagger vs. Alex Riley lost 105,000 viewers and did a 2.72 quarter, one of the lowest of the year not including the 7/4 show. The in-ring with HHH, Kevin Nash and C.M. Punk gained 597,000 viewers, which is slightly better than average for the slot. But the tag title win by Kofi Kingston & Evan Bourne over David Otunga & Michael McGillicutty lost 494,000 viewers. The Miz & R-Truth promo gained 148,000 viewers. Cena vs. Punk was a big success, gaining 1,186,000 viewers to a 3.65 overrun. Essentially what has happened is they’ve buried the mid-card, and the fans see Del Rio and Morrison as mid-card, so you’ve got Cena, Punk, HHH and Nash (and as far as Nash goes, given he’s been in with the big guns in every segment, there is no evidence he is or isn’t a big gun) are all the swing viewers care about right now.

Ouch Poor Morrison last week his match with r truth lost 810,000 viewers lol now this

 

[BlackLantern]

so Del Rio Morrison loses viewers, and the Miz/Truth gain viewers......

quite the dichotomy there....what do the viewers REALLY want?

 

[Nemi]

so Del Rio Morrison loses viewers, and the Miz/Truth gain viewers......

quite the dichotomy there....what do the viewers REALLY want?

A midcard that matters or at least someone they know will make them laugh would be my guess.

 

[The Sage]

R-Truth and Miz are entertaining. Morrison's charisma and overness has always been a worry, and Del Rio's still unproven. The crowd reaction to the match is probably reflective of the ratings.

They do need to fix the midcard, as the weak focus and writing has probably caused viewers to turn away when the main-event guys aren't on. Throwing the belts on Kingston/Bourne is a good first step, now have them wrestle solid matches.

Get to the point with the Swagger/Vickie/Ziggler story because it's not fun nor are the matches good.

 

[Project862006]

yeah the report tells me the mid card is something the audiences does'nt care about

i forget ziggler is champ

and mcsillytunga are terrible lol

ziggler should be defending his title

 

[Benstamania]

Yup.

Raw was pretty darn good... but the rating shows what REALLY needs worked on.

 

[Wheels]

One thing is for sure....

JoMo = ratings drop.

 

[Nemi]

R-Truth and Miz are entertaining. Morrison's charisma and overness has always been a worry, and Del Rio's still unproven. The crowd reaction to the match is probably reflective of the ratings.

They do need to fix the midcard, as the weak focus and writing has probably caused viewers to turn away when the main-event guys aren't on. Throwing the belts on Kingston/Bourne is a good first step, now have them wrestle solid matches.

Get to the point with the Swagger/Vickie/Ziggler story because it's not fun nor are the matches good.

I remember someone mentioning that audiences have figured out that all the really good stuff happens in the opening, middle, and end of the show. The rest can be skipped cause if it's not part of the main event then it doesn't matter.

 

[The Sage]

One thing is for sure....

JoMo = ratings drop.

Yeah, that's not good at all. That's two RAWs in a row.

I'm thinking he might get moved to Smackdown or released at this point. Unless Morrison does some dramatic improving and gets himself over.

 

[Benstamania]

Yeah, that's not good at all. That's two RAWs in a row.

I'm thinking he might get moved to Smackdown or released at this point. Unless Morrison does some dramatic improving and gets himself over.

...So... See ya later JoMo..