The Wrestling Thread Says, "Wait Just A Second There, Playa!"

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If Cena absolutely, positively -has- to go over, it needs to be in a series of matches, and not on Sunday.

Cena hasn't earned the right to go over Cena. He's a "face of the company" that half the crowd boos, even in his own home town. The audience is worn out on him. He has flashes of awesome Cena, but it is never consistent and always fades away. Last night showed it as he started going right back into his whole "gee everyone makes fun of me but im just such a swell guy!!!" routine.

Cena hasn't earned what winning this match would give him.

 

[Van Petrol]

I think Orton /Kane and Bryan/ Sheamus will definitely go another month or two but something tells me Orton will have the strap by Summerslam.
If Sheamus wins he'll need another heel to feud with. All that's left on Smackdown is Kane ( unless Cody gets a bigger push). They'd have to turn Big Show or Orton.

I reckon they're going to need another heel either way, because I can't see them turning Shemaus after having built him so much and also since he is really over with the crowd now.

If, lets say, Orton gets the strap and feuds with Bryan, what happens to Sheamus?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Last night I got the feeling Rock could actually win. I think it's a better place to go from if Cena loses. It's just hard to imagine they'd be willing to do it. No matter what , neither of these guys will walk away unaffected.

One thing I'll always give Rock is that he's never been hung up on doing the job and sees that as what it is, where as some guys who we have discussed recently refuse to lose to protect that imaginary spot, not realising that once they have gotten as over as they are, putting another guy over clean is not going to harm their overness and not doing so only stops another star who can make money with them from being created.

Last night both men built the entire reason for the match around why winning is important to them which is the very fabric of wrestling given that it's fighting entertainment therefore as we have discussed, at some point results have to matter as part of the show, Rock and Cena both sold this aspect perfectly IMO.

I think another aspect is they have pushed the "Once in a lifetime" tag line hard, they didn't need to do that and it's especially stupid if they are planning rematches. I wonder if WWE realizes that rematches work between active roster members, but with a nostalgia based special attraction match you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice? the lame Rock/Hogan rematch attests to this, leaving it as one time only makes it more special IMO.

 

[Hunter Rider]

If Cena absolutely, positively -has- to go over, it needs to be in a series of matches, and not on Sunday.

Cena hasn't earned the right to go over Cena. He's a "face of the company" that half the crowd boos, even in his own home town. The audience is worn out on him. He has flashes of awesome Cena, but it is never consistent and always fades away. Last night showed it as he started going right back into his whole "gee everyone makes fun of me but im just such a swell guy!!!" routine.

Cena hasn't earned what winning this match would give him.

Cena is who he is, he's not going to play a character he's not in order to appease a certain fanbase, how he hasn't earned the right to go over is just insane, he's carried the company for years and the annual income based off him alone is incredible, he certainly deserves to go over more than the guy who's been gone for 7 years.

 

[Pink Ranger]

TBH, I am increasingly smelling a "Dusty finish" in the making here.

 

[Jeffrey]

 

[The Chris]

Oh my god, whoop him Rock!

 

[Hunter Rider]

- During a recent interview with CNYKiss.com, WWE star Randy Orton had the following to say when asked who he thinks will win the Rock vs Cena match:

"Oh, John Cena. I'd love to see him win 1-2-3 fair and square in the ring, no kind of stipulations last minute, no kind of run-ins at the last minute, no big schmoz going off the air where you see ten Rock Bottoms. I want to see John Cena hit an Attitude Adjustment in the middle of the ring.

- TNA Impact Wrestling's Eric Bischoff posted the following on Twitter last night:

Checked out tonights Raw. Cena is one of the best talkers in the business in my opinion.

- There has been talk of giving Brodus Clay a quick squash match at WrestleMania 28 according to F4Wonline.com.

- F4Wonline.com reports that Christian was pulled from WrestleMania because his ankle is not 100%. When WWE made the match, they thought Christian would be ready to go but he's not.
- Brock Lesnar is interested in a return match to WWE at WrestleMania 29 against either The Undertaker or Stone Cold Steve Austin according to F4Wonline.com

 

[Hunter Rider]

Oh my god, whoop him Rock!

It looked like he was considering licking him lol.

 

[The Chris]

It looked like he was considering licking him lol.

t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

Last night, WWE aired the second teaser video for the arrival of a new character - Lord Tensai, who is Matt "A-Train" Bloom.

Tensai appeared in the new video with an unnamed servant. WWE.com posted the following translations of the Japanese phrases that were shown during the vignette:

"It was said he would find himself in a faraway land."

"Lord Tensai will strike."

"Lord Tensai draws near."

"Lord Tensai approaches. Beware!"

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[NDX]

Man, last night really built up WM for me. It wasn't until last night that I actually found some interest in Rock/Cena. Still plan on viewing it for AmDrag/Ronald, Big Show/Cody and Punk/Jericho.

Shame I won't be seeing it live. Well, I guess I'll see about getting it on blu-ray.

Again, Mark Henry is a ****ing beast.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Yes!t:

 

[NDX]

- During a recent interview with CNYKiss.com, WWE star Randy Orton had the following to say when asked who he thinks will win the Rock vs Cena match:

"Oh, John Cena. I'd love to see him win 1-2-3 fair and square in the ring, no kind of stipulations last minute, no kind of run-ins at the last minute, no big schmoz going off the air where you see ten Rock Bottoms. I want to see John Cena hit an Attitude Adjustment in the middle of the ring.

Agreed.

- TNA Impact Wrestling's Eric Bischoff posted the following on Twitter last night:

Checked out tonights Raw. Cena is one of the best talkers in the business in my opinion.

Agreed.

- There has been talk of giving Brodus Clay a quick squash match at WrestleMania 28 according to F4Wonline.com.

No thank you. If you want to have him on the show, at least make it a bit of a match and give him an opponent of substance. Although, he'd probably be gassed by the time he finishes strutting one of the WM ramps, and he would still have to dance. Maybe this will be a good time to have Del Rio return and play off their history somehow.

- F4Wonline.com reports that Christian was pulled from WrestleMania because his ankle is not 100%. When WWE made the match, they thought Christian would be ready to go but he's not.

Not surprised he was brought back too soon. Well, it got a little extra buzz, so that's not a bad thing.

- Brock Lesnar is interested in a return match to WWE at WrestleMania 29 against either The Undertaker or Stone Cold Steve Austin according to F4Wonline.com

If it's just a one off, no thank you. If he's coming back for a regular run leading up to WM at least, than I wouldn't mind. If he returns, I want more than one match.

 

[bullets]

I reckon they're going to need another heel either way, because I can't see them turning Sheamus after having built him so much and also since he is really over with the crowd now.

If, lets say, Orton gets the strap and feuds with Bryan, what happens to Sheamus?

I just feel like Orton will fight for the number one spot. Technically Sheamus should win because he won the Rumble and they need a new star. Sheamus will probably wind up feuding with Kane and then Del Rio is another possibility. I think I should recant my statements and say they come from fear that Bryan will be pushed out of the main event scene. Also i feel like Sheamus/Bryan have taken a back seat in the build-up for Mania.

TBH, I am increasingly smelling a "Dusty finish" in the making here.

I wouldn't put it past them but hopefully not. I'd only be ok with it if Cena turned heel in the process.

One thing I'll always give Rock is that he's never been hung up on doing the job and sees that as what it is, where as some guys who we have discussed recently refuse to lose to protect that imaginary spot, not realizing that once they have gotten as over as they are, putting another guy over clean is not going to harm their overness and not doing so only stops another star who can make money with them from being created.

Last night both men built the entire reason for the match around why winning is important to them which is the very fabric of wrestling given that it's fighting entertainment therefore as we have discussed, at some point results have to matter as part of the show, Rock and Cena both sold this aspect perfectly IMO.

I think another aspect is they have pushed the "Once in a lifetime" tag line hard, they didn't need to do that and it's especially stupid if they are planning rematches. I wonder if WWE realizes that rematches work between active roster members, but with a nostalgia based special attraction match you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice? the lame Rock/Hogan rematch attests to this, leaving it as one time only makes it more special IMO.

Yeah last night they did a great job selling the importance of the match. I'm ready for Mania.

Unfortunately the rematch will never hit the same peaks as this one in terms of excitement. Your right about that. I think they should do it sooner than later while it's still fresh in peoples minds .

 

[Hunter Rider]

If it's just a one off, no thank you. If he's coming back for a regular run leading up to WM at least, than I wouldn't mind. If he returns, I want more than one match.

I feel the same, Lesnar isn't really the type for a one off match either given he was solid on the mic but not a great promo guy, so it would be hard to build in the way they have built Rock/Cena.

Yeah last night they did a great job selling the importance of the match. I'm ready for Mania.

Unfortunately the rematch will never hit the same peaks as this one in terms of excitement. Your right about that. I think they should do it sooner than later while it's still fresh in peoples minds .

Me too, haven't looked for to a Mania this much since 23.

I don't think they should do it at all and leave it as special, plus if Rock is only working 3 matches then I'd rather they all be against different people. If there is to be a rematch I think it should be at Summerslam even if once again that'll be the WWE title sidelined at the second biggest PPV of the year.

 

[Hunter Rider]

- According to ProWrestling.net, Lord Tensai's sidekick, who has been seen in the video promos airing on Raw, is FCW developmental talent Sakamoto.

 

[Zanham]

Unfortunately the rematch will never hit the same peaks as this one in terms of excitement. Your right about that. I think they should do it sooner than later while it's still fresh in peoples minds .

What I read was it could be a best of three with the rematch at Summerslam and the third match at next years WrestleMania.

 

[Hunter Rider]

During an interview recently conducted for The Chicago Tribune, WWE Champion CM Punk spoke on a number of topics, including his relationship with The Rock, Vince McMahon, and how he feels about Wrestling Websites. Below are some highlights:

On his relationship with Vince McMahon: "[We] have a lot more one-on-one conversations. I wont say he takes the time to talk to me now, because he always did, but I think he views me differently now. He used to view me as maybe talking to a boy. Now he thinks he’s talking to a man after I stood up and did everything I did over the summer. I always thought I was a main event player. The difference is now he knows I’m a main event player."

On pro wrestling websites: "I think you have to (read them). Anybody who dismisses it -- that's (crap). You have to have your fingers on the pulse of everything. You have to read it."

On his relationship with The Rock: "I don’t think I have a realtionship with The Rock. Over the past few weeks, it’s been better. Probably because I’ve been outspoken (about him) in the media. Of course, everything gets sensationalized and twisted. I don’t hate The Rock or fault him for coming back. I just think heaping credit on The Rock for ratings, buyrates – that’s where I get offended. It’s a team effort 365 days a year. Me and the entire locker room bust our (butts) and all our super stoked. Give credit where credit is due. Wrestlemania had a huge buyrate last year, not because of one guy. The numbers out there prove he hasn’t done much else, like the Survivor Series buyrate."
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[Metallo]

If Cena absolutely, positively -has- to go over, it needs to be in a series of matches, and not on Sunday.

Cena hasn't earned the right to go over Cena. He's a "face of the company" that half the crowd boos, even in his own home town. The audience is worn out on him. He has flashes of awesome Cena, but it is never consistent and always fades away. Last night showed it as he started going right back into his whole "gee everyone makes fun of me but im just such a swell guy!!!" routine.

Cena hasn't earned what winning this match would give him.

Thats a bunch of smark talk BS. Talk about hypocrisy. Earn what the match would give him? As long as the match is entertaining who cares right?

The only reason you're saying this is because you just don't want your guy to lose. Just admit it instead of some bullsh** about what Cena has and hasn't earned like an IWC mark in casual fans clothing.

The guy makes WWE money whether you think he's "earned" the win or not. THATS what earns him whatever he gets.

 

[Dangerman]

How can Punk beat the man who knows 1004 holds

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I wish he would bring that back up.

 

[Metallo]

It has to be a clean finish. Look what happened with Sting/Hogan. Year build up and then the finish to the match screwed it up. You don't build up a match up for this long to have a screwy finish. Cena wins and Rock shakes his hand like Hogan did for both Rock and Warrior.

I'm buying this sucker and any kind of screwy finish would leave me feeling ripped off. You don't end your biggest show of the year with with the most hyped match in years with a dusty finish.

One thing I'll always give Rock is that he's never been hung up on doing the job and sees that as what it is, where as some guys who we have discussed recently refuse to lose to protect that imaginary spot, not realising that once they have gotten as over as they are, putting another guy over clean is not going to harm their overness and not doing so only stops another star who can make money with them from being created.

Last night both men built the entire reason for the match around why winning is important to them which is the very fabric of wrestling given that it's fighting entertainment therefore as we have discussed, at some point results have to matter as part of the show, Rock and Cena both sold this aspect perfectly IMO.

I think another aspect is they have pushed the "Once in a lifetime" tag line hard, they didn't need to do that and it's especially stupid if they are planning rematches. I wonder if WWE realizes that rematches work between active roster members, but with a nostalgia based special attraction match you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice? the lame Rock/Hogan rematch attests to this, leaving it as one time only makes it more special IMO.

"Once in a Lifetime" sounds like bait and switch BS if they go with a series of matches. Shameless false advertising.

- Brock Lesnar is interested in a return match to WWE at WrestleMania 29 against either The Undertaker or Stone Cold Steve Austin according to F4Wonline.com

Sounds like someone is desperate for a big Mania payday. If he's gonna come back it better not be JUST for a match. That would be such a lazy d*ck move.

 

[bullets]

I'm surprised Punk mentioned the buyrates , he tells it like is.

I don't think they should do it at all and leave it as special, plus if Rock is only working 3 matches then I'd rather they all be against different people. If there is to be a rematch I think it should be at Summerslam even if once again that'll be the WWE title sidelined at the second biggest PPV of the year.

Well , I'd like to see a rematch but not a trilogy. Hopefully Rock does mix it up with someone else before this is over.

What I read was it could be a best of three with the rematch at Summerslam and the third match at next years WrestleMania.

That's still a possibility.

 

[spidey-dude]

Cena is who he is, he's not going to play a character he's not in order to appease a certain fanbase, how he hasn't earned the right to go over is just insane, he's carried the company for years and the annual income based off him alone is incredible, he certainly deserves to go over more than the guy who's been gone for 7 years.

errrrm wrestlers play characters nothing like their actual personalities all the time, really not sure why Cena can't either....

tbh I think WWE has backed themselves into a corner with this match as it is clear Cena will still win but it wont be the popular finish and thus will probably taint the event in a majority of fans eyes , if they had turned Cena heel it would have at least been ustified, but it just kinda feels odd to me now... having thought about it the only reason people are saying they arent sure of how it will finish is because of how convincing the Rock was on that last Raw, because lets be honest Cena is winning this match