The WWE Universe Doesn't Know That There's A Wrestling Thread - Part 28

[Wheels]

Think of the children!!!

Following the Brie Bella vs. Kelly Kelly match on Raw, The Score in Canada accidentally cut to a feed of Eastbound and Down. During the brief cutaway, four seconds of bare-breasted women aired. The Score then briefly cut to a Steve Austin music video featuring "Somewhere Down in Texas" by George Strait before returning to the broadcast with the Alex Riley highlight video.

http://nodq.com/wwe/316691648.shtml

 

[Saint]

I don't particularly care for the sudden switch to an HHH match. Why would they build up Punk vs. Nash and then drop it? Weird.

Anyways, all things considered, Raw continues to be better than it has been in a while. I'm not sure about bringing the brands back together, but w'ell see what happens.

 

[The Sage]

If you watched RAW, you saw that WWE Champion, Alberto Del Rio, didn't appear on the show. The fact that it was a RAW "Super Show" made his absence all the more confusing.

It seems Del Rio went back to Mexico this weekend to renew his work visa. This is not unusual as any non-U.S. citizens must return to their birthplace and to have this documentation up to date.

Del Rio was initially expected to be back and appear for RAW in Tulsa but obviously that didn't happen. As of now, he is expected to be at the live Smackdown on Tuesday.

According to one source, other than Cena making reference to Del Rio in his promo, the WWE didn't make any more mention of Del Rio's absence because they had no explanation in the storyline that would have made sense. WWE wanted to disguise Del Rio not being on RAW with the other storylines going on such as CM Punk/Kevin Nash/Triple H and with the amount of star power the show had featuring talent from both brands.

In addition to not appearing on RAW, Del Rio was not promoted for the Smackdown show during several of the promotional spots as they didn't want to bring up his name and appearance for Smackdown Tuesday without having to explain why he isn't appearing on RAW.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/241297-exclusive-why-alberto-del-rio-wasnt-on-raw

It just feels like they had Nash vs Punk planned and decided against it at the last minute. I know Punk vs HHH will be a better match, but something is off about this.

I was also thinking, maybe the company didn't see Punk vs Nash or Cena vs Del Rio as a draw for Night of Champions, and figured considering the heat and attention it's been getting that Punk vs HHH is the better option to go with.

We'll see how it plays out.

PWInsider.com confirms Nash's physical is a reason for match switch and wont be wrestling for the company

Not surprised. They need X-Pac to take part of this angle if Nash can't wrestle.

 

[The Sage]

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/61...n-broadcast-of-raw-and-more-wwe-news.html?p=1

And they have every right to be concerned. That's the downside of ending the brand extension and why this is only temporary. But it could be a time that challenges some guys to step it up, be it in the ring or on the mic so they can get noticed.

 

[Hunter Rider]

PWInsider.com confirms Nash's physical is a reason for match switch and wont be wrestling for the company

This makes no sense, surely Nash had a medical before they started the angle, and why set the match up last night and then have Nash powerbomb Punk, if Punk can't get heat back by beating him?

This has really spoiled a great angle, it's way too soon for Punk vs Triple H IMO. What I'd do next week is have Steph come out and tell Triple H that he has to think of his position as COO, then she tells him she's found an opponent for Punk for NOC, out comes Miz and we are good to go.

Someone that knows how to do it, make this into an avatar please?

Here ya go.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I was agreeing with that they were saying....the mouthbreathers that cheer Kelly Kelly and Eve and the Bellas are a part of the problem

i will agree with you on 3 outta 4, i still say that eve could be a decent wrestler if they actually let her use her skills she has and play up on them.

but sadly they're happy to have her be the plastic barbies *****

 

[Kaleb]

oh noes Jericho is upset at punk

IAmJericho Chris Jericho
Another Raw, another stolen move. I expect that from a rookie or a diva, but et tu Punk? BACK OFF

....

let the speculation begin.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Think of the children!!!

Following the Brie Bella vs. Kelly Kelly match on Raw, The Score in Canada accidentally cut to a feed of Eastbound and Down. During the brief cutaway, four seconds of bare-breasted women aired. The Score then briefly cut to a Steve Austin music video featuring "Somewhere Down in Texas" by George Strait before returning to the broadcast with the Alex Riley highlight video.

http://nodq.com/wwe/316691648.shtml

When I originally saw the Steve Austin video, it was so random I thought it meant he had just died or something. I had to get online and check.

 

[Wheels]

When I originally saw the Steve Austin video, it was so random I thought it meant he had just died or something. I had to get online and check.

Nope. They had to scramble because they mistakenly showed little Jimmy his first pair of boobies.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Nope. They had to scramble because they mistakenly showed little Jimmy his first pair of boobies.

LOL, this is Canada. We show The Sopranos uncut on network TV, among other things. If Little Jimmy hasn't seen boobies yet, he's just not trying.

 

[Wheels]

LOL, this is Canada. We show The Sopranos uncut on network TV, among other things. If Little Jimmy hasn't seen boobies yet, he's just not trying.

Conservatives in America think nudity on TV is wrong, but violence is fine.

And some Americans call your country backwards.......

 

[Metallo]

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/61...n-broadcast-of-raw-and-more-wwe-news.html?p=1

Thats exactly why getting rid of the brand extension completely could be a real problem. Even the wrestlers see it.

The top guys already get the lions share of the airtime on each show and if you have them all pulling double duty on both shows there's only going to be so much tv time to go around.

What I HOPE happens is they have crossovers from both shows but its not everybody and its not every week.

The Brand extension hasn't been very potent in a long time. The scrapped brand exclusive ppv's years ago.

This makes no sense, surely Nash had a medical before they started the angle, and why set the match up last night and then have Nash powerbomb Punk, if Punk can't get heat back by beating him?

This has really spoiled a great angle, it's way too soon for Punk vs Triple H IMO. What I'd do next week is have Steph come out and tell Triple H that he has to think of his position as COO, then she tells him she's found an opponent for Punk for NOC, out comes Miz and we are good to go.



Here ya go.

Only thing I can think of is they wanted to tease people with a Punk/Nash in ring confrontation to keep people guessing but they just planed to use Nash in a non wrestling role from the start.

Or Nash got hurt at some point after returning (maybe an indie show) and they found out late. Then they had to switch plans mid stride and just tacked on the new ending with Triple H taking Nash's place in the match so they wouldn't have to rewrite the entire Raw.

Thats all I can think of since it makes no sense to do HHH vs Punk first this soon instead of feeding Nash to Punk to build the story.

 

[bullets]

Think of the children!!!

http://nodq.com/wwe/316691648.shtml

This makes no sense, surely Nash had a medical before they started the angle, and why set the match up last night and then have Nash powerbomb Punk, if Punk can't get heat back by beating him?

This has really spoiled a great angle, it's way too soon for Punk vs Triple H IMO. What I'd do next week is have Steph come out and tell Triple H that he has to think of his position as COO, then she tells him she's found an opponent for Punk for NOC, out comes Miz and we are good to go.

I remember we started getting dirt sheet reports that Kevin still had to do the physical after his return. Also the results might of taken longer than a couple weeks so they just moved ahead . Unless there is another swerve coming it does make WWE look bad. I didn't think we'd see Triple H in the ring until Wrestlemania.



Also I'm reading the brand extension isn't a full on change of direction. The WWE is just showcasing Smackdown to bring more attention to that brand.

 

[Nemi]

I really love this logic that if they don't show him on tv then nobody will notice that he isn't on the show.

 

[Nemi]

I remember we started getting dirt sheet reports that Kevin still had to do the physical after his return. Also the results might of taken longer than a couple weeks so they just moved ahead . Unless there is another swerve coming it does make WWE look bad. I didn't think we'd see Triple H in the ring until Wrestlemania.



Also I'm reading the brand extension isn't a full on change of direction. The WWE is just showcasing Smackdown to bring more attention to that brand.

I'm guessing that is one of those reports that WWE sends peope themselves. Who announces a match and within two hours gets test results saying that match can't happen? I call swerve or them trying to hide what really happened.

 

[Heretic]

The problem with ending the brand split is that WWE has focused so much on two guys over the years that it would kill the midcard...however...as I and others mentioned...this weeks Raw really focused on the midcard and made 2/3 of the Raw roster seem really important for one reason of another.

Regarding a new NWO...I wouldn't necessarily mind it. I can see HHH/Johnny Ace/Steph wanting a lock on power, and Nash suggesting that he form a group of thugs to carry out the whims of management. It would have to be clearly heel, the old guys who used to be rebels now the management types trying to squash a rebellion. The problem with this is that there aren't many valid old guys left to fill the roster. You'd end up with Nash leading a group of corporate suck-ups...like maybe Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler...and Im not sure either of them should be a part of something like that.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I hate to say it, but a new NWO might be a good place for all the Nexus/Corre leftovers. You can build those stormtroopers around an "Elite 4" guys (I'm thinking Rhodes, Christian, Jackson and Big Show) plus Nash as the bodyguard/manager.

 

[X Knight]

with the Raw Super Show concept, does anyone feel like the "brand division" will come to an end soon?

 

[Heretic]

The sad part is...had Flair not gone to TNA and ruined his legacy...it could have been interesting to watch him come out every week scouting a new 4 Horsemen group to manage. Unfortunately, he went to TNA, formed the group, lost several matches he shouldnt have fought, and was dumped by his new group within a month.

 

[Nemi]

with the Raw Super Show concept, does anyone feel like the "brand division" will come to an end soon?

I think this is just another version of the brand extension where they have two seprate brands but can swap people all they want.

 

[Metallo]

The sad part is...had Flair not gone to TNA and ruined his legacy...it could have been interesting to watch him come out every week scouting a new 4 Horsemen group to manage. Unfortunately, he went to TNA, formed the group, lost several matches he shouldnt have fought, and was dumped by his new group within a month.

Thats assuming WWE would have handled that stable right. WWE hasn't handled a stable well since Evolution. Chances are they would have fouled up any new Four Horsemen.

Nexus ended in failure and The Corre went nowhere. Legacy was an embarrassment most of the time.

Thats not EVEN including other awful WWE rehashes over the years like the New Blackjacks, The New Foundation, etc. They have a terrible track record at bringing back old group concepts.

The very idea of WWE Horsemen coming out to do WWE scripted promos makes me cring...because thats exactly what they'd do even though that flies in the face of the Horsemen. Double A's spontaneous style promo that NAMED the group would not be allowed in today's WWE. Plus When has Vince EVER let an outside creation like the Horsemen get over long term? Flairs the rare exception. The WWE NWO died with an absolute whimper.

Flair started to "ruin" his Legacy long before he went to TNA. The fact that he took ROH's money then spit in their face and reneged on their deal only exposed him for the money grubbing con man he can be. Proved all the stuff Bret Hart and others said about him right and BRET was the guy who had to come in and take Flairs place and he honored his agreement. I thought Flair at least respected the business but when he walked on ROH WITH their money in his pocket he showed that he doesn't respect anything but a dollar.

The biggest mark on Flair going to TNA was embarrassment himself in the ring a few more times when he should have saved us the trouble of looking at his sagging melting balding old lump of a body rolling around like an escaped retirement home patient.

Even though I think it was a bad idea in TNA they really did have the more appropriate talent for a Horsemen group than WWE at the time. TNA's awful more often than not but they have more of a focus on in ring diversity thats closer to the NWA than spawned the Horsemen than the WWE of today.

Beer Money is as close to a spiritual successor to the Minnesota Wrecking Crew/The Andersons as there is in wrestling today.

Desmond Wolfe was Horsemen material all around if whatever happened to him hadn't happened or if TNA hadn't made the bonehead play to keep him out of the group.

The only guy in WWE right now that REALLY has that Horsemen flare about him in the ring is Ziggler. Maybe Bryan if they want a Horsemen in the vein of Benoit and Malenko. Few others there have that measure of excellence on the ring and on the mic that the Horsemen had. Swagger and McIntyre and Miz in the Horsemen? Might as well call Paul Roma.

We all complain about rehashing old concepts but speaking for me personally if I want the Horsemen I want the real thing. Same with the NWO. That time is over though. Fortune as a Horsemen style group was a failure in TNA

If WWE brought the NWO back it would be the same thing people always b**** about. They're better off moving forward with new things like the Punk angle instead of rehashing the same old sh** from 15 or 25 years ago and not doing it as well.

If they want a new group give us the group Nexus SHOULD have been and was for the first 2 weeks...only with more experienced talent.

 

[Metallo]

I think this is just another version of the brand extension where they have two seprate brands but can swap people all they want.

I think so. Thats basically what its been for years anyway. We've had a lot of guys switch shows without any need for a draft or trade or anything like that.

 

[Heretic]

Metallo, I agree with what you're saying (although I'm not sure that even WWE could screw up Fortune as bad as TNA did).

However, Nexus...done RIGHT...would be faces. People WANT the establishment and old ways to be overthrown. Is what Nexus should have been and what CM Punk is now really that different??? Guys who aren't being given a chance due to politics upsetting the system and staking a claim not just for themselves, but allowing opportunities for everyone...

 

[Metallo]

Metallo, I agree with what you're saying (although I'm not sure that even WWE could screw up Fortune as bad as TNA did).

In hindsight I'm not surprised the Fortune didn't work. besides Russos incompetent booking you had two guys in TNA at the time who did everything they could to undermine the last true incarnation of the Horsemen in WCW: Bischoff and Nash.

WWE would book their Horsemen better short term but they don't have the polished talent for it because of the way they've mangled the midcard and in the end the WWE Horsemen would be fed to the top WWE guys just like the NWO and Legacy were.

The only reason Evolution worked was because the Son in Law wanted to play dress up and BE Ric Flair for a little while. Thus WWE let the group roll strong.

However, Nexus...done RIGHT...would be faces. People WANT the establishment and old ways to be overthrown. Is what Nexus should have been and what CM Punk is now really that different??? Guys who aren't being given a chance due to politics upsetting the system and staking a claim not just for themselves, but allowing opportunities for everyone...

Nexus was over and maybe COULD have been faces at some point. But because of injury and typical WWE bullsh** booking they dismantled the group to the point that they were impotent.

And the CM Punk Nexus was a waste of everyone's time when he could have done far more for it. Its a prime example of what I'm talking about. The Punk Nexus started off very well but over time the dropped the ball because they didn't think it out

One more failed WWE stable to toss on to the fire: The SES.

The only chance a WWE Horsemen would have had is if HHH had been high on the concept....which is very possible. Although HHH was also solidly behind Sin Cara and we see what a clusterf*** thats been.

But that still doesn't solve the issue of WWE letting their midcard talent rot for years without knowing how to build them. The ruined Swagger for a long time then SUDDENLY had him cash in MITB and be world champion and expected him to pull it off. WWE expecting someone like him to be Horsemen worthy after years of misuse is the very reason the group would have a hard time working in WWE.

 

[Heretic]

Keep in mind, I only brought up the Horsemen concept because of a presumed interest in a heel stable that has that privileged mentality.

Del Rio wouldnt work because the Horsemen...like it or not...would be too racist. It's an unspoken rule that the Horsemen are white.

I think Morrison could pull off the egotistical leader role. As you mentioned, Ziggler works as well. Bring Beer Money over from TNA and that isn't a bad group...