The Year 2012 (Merged)

[Paroxysm]

Well to be fair in 2000 we heard that computers were going to be messed up causing economic devestation if we don't fix it. than I heard we were going to fix it. than I heard we fixed it but there will still be a few glitches. than there were a few glitches.

Basiclly our computers needed to be updated, so we updated them.

And one could easily argue that geo magnetic reversals are pretty signifigant cycles.

Read this.......all of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem#Cost

The opposing view of Y2K made these observations.

* The lack of Y2K-related problems in schools, many of which undertook little or no remediation effort. By September 1, 1999 only 28 percent of US schools had achieved compliance for mission critical systems, and a government report predicted that "Y2K failures could very well plague the computers used by schools to manage payrolls, student records, online curricula, and building safety systems".[32]

* The lack of Y2K-related problems in an estimated 1.5 million small businesses that undertook no remediation effort. On 3 January 2000 (the first weekday of the year) the Small Business Administration received an estimated 40 calls from businesses with computer problems, similar to the average. None of the problems were critical.[33]

* The lack of Y2K-related problems in countries such as Italy, which undertook a far more limited remediation effort than the United States. In an October 22, 1999, report, a US Senate Committee expressed concern about safe travel outside of the United States. The report stated that overseas public transit systems were considered vulnerable because many did not have an aggressive response plan in place for any problems. Internationally, the report singled out Italy, China and Russia as poorly prepared. The Australian government evacuated all but three embassy staff from Russia.[34] None of these countries experienced any Y2K problems regarded as worth reporting.[35]

* The absence of Y2K-related problems occurring before January 1, 2000, even though the 2000 financial year commenced in 1999 in many jurisdictions, and a wide range of forward-looking calculations involved dates in 2000 and later years. Estimates undertaken in the leadup to 2000 suggested that around 25% of all problems should have occurred before 2000.[36] Critics of large-scale remediation argued, during 1999, that the absence of significant problems, even in systems that had not been rendered compliant, suggested that the scale of the problem had been severely overestimated.[37]

 

[Dr. Evil]

I don't think anything will happen three years from now. Of course, if what was supposed to happen nine years ago did happen, I don't think anyone of us were aware of it.

Now, 100 years from now? Who knows? But nothing is going to happen in three years.

 

[A&W]

Read this.......all of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem#Cost

The opposing view of Y2K made these observations.

so y2k didn't bring the end of the world. It still has no impact really on anything with regards to 2012. If you were weighing evidence than the y2k scare really has nothing to do with this.

Kind of like at my school. we had the fire alarms go off like six times from kid's pulling them.

didn't make the fire any less hott when there finally was a fire.

 

[chaseter]

Okay a few undisputed facts. Geo Magnetic reversals have happened many, many times in fact. When this happens it creates giant tsunamis that completely flood the earth. For life on land, your talking mass extinction.

Obviously underwater life would continue.

The last reverse occurred 730 thousand years ago. If all life on land went extinct...you actually think evolution occurred during that time to give us the species on land we see today

 

[A&W]

One thing that will definitely help debunk this is a good explanation for how the Mayans knew this alignment would occure thousands of years later. How could they have known this? How?

Unless they were survivors from the last time it happened. What if that is where the Noah's Ark story came from?

I'm not saying that is what happened, but so far no alternative suggestions have been made.

 

[A&W]

One thing that will definitely help debunk this is a good explanation for how the Mayans knew this alignment would occure thousands of years later. How could they have known this? How?

Unless they were survivors from the last time it happened. What if that is where the Noah's Ark story came from?

I'm not saying that is what happened, but so far no alternative suggestions have been made.

 

[Gilpesh]

If you were weighing evidence than the y2k scare really has nothing to do with this.

You know. I could see his mistake... because idiots getting worked up over nothing always seems to look the same no matter what the nothing is.

 

[chaseter]

One thing that will definitely help debunk this is a good explanation for how the Mayans knew this alignment would occure thousands of years later. How could they have known this? How?

Unless they were survivors from the last time it happened. What if that is where the Noah's Ark story came from?

I'm not saying that is what happened, but so far no alternative suggestions have been made.

How did Pythagoras manage to make a mathematical model that proved all celestial bodies were round? How did Aristotle discover that the Earth was round and not flat? Was it divine intervention or was it science? If you think it was divine intervention, then yes...the world ends in 2012. Pack your crap and give me all your worldly good because you won't need them. If you think it is Science, then this has happened before almost regularly so with critical thinking, you can predict the next occurrence. So...what do you think?

 

[A&W]

The last reverse occurred 730 thousand years ago. If all life on land went extinct...you actually think evolution occurred during that time to give us the species on land we see today

Okay you missed when I first entered the thread so I will lay out for you how I started thinking about this.

Don't worry if you haven't seen the movie, I wont reveal anything you don't see in the trailers. In the movie the world's governments build giant arks and store aboard them, seeds, animals, and thousands of humans with the purpose of repopulating the world after the flood water recedes.

Sound familliar? Noah's Ark. Almost every religion has a story about a flood wiping out most of the world, and many have a story about us going onbaord an ark and repopulating the world afterwards. We all know how stories can be changed and distorted over time.

Perhaps this has happened. Perhaps we survived it and the conditions we met afterwards kind of left us forced to restart our civilization and development of technology all over again. Because of the way pole shifting would put new continents into new climates, for all we know buried underneath miles of ice lie the remains of ancient civilizations.

Perhaps the Mayans were from that lucky group, and they tried to leave a warning so we'd be better prepared next time. That is about the only possible way I can think of that they were able to pinpoint when the earth would align with the sun and the center of the galaxy. Hell it's the only way I can think of that they would even know where the center of the galaxy was, or that there was even a such thing as a galaxy.

How the hell did they know what galaxies were? How did they know there was a black hole there? We didn't even know that untill very rescently.

 

[chaseter]

I am not watching the movie...Roland Emmerich is a terrible director and I am tired of apocalypse movies with all visuals and no story.

There is also no proof that the entire world has been covered by water.

 

[A&W]

How did Pythagoras manage to make a mathematical model that proved all celestial bodies were round? How did Aristotle discover that the Earth was round and not flat? Was it divine intervention or was it science? If you think it was divine intervention, then yes...the world ends in 2012. Pack your crap and give me all your worldly good because you won't need them. If you think it is Science, then this has happened before almost regularly so with critical thinking, you can predict the next occurrence. So...what do you think?

sorry, you appear to have misunderstood my point of view. I do not believe in the supernatural. So any nostradomus stuff or divine intervention isn't really going to fit in with any angle I'm looking at this.

Not all celestial bodies are round. The solar system is flat and elyptical. Same goes for the galaxy. Many small planets, asteroids, and moons are odd ball shaped chunks.

As for the mayans knowing what they knew? I don't doubt it was pure science. That is what scares me. They seem to have been a little too scientifically advanced.

 

[chaseter]

The solar system is not a celestial body. The galaxy is not a celestial body. They are both made up of celestial bodies.

 

[A&W]

I am not watching the movie...Roland Emmerich is a terrible director and I am tired of apocalypse movies with all visuals and no story.

There is also no proof that the entire world has been covered by water.

actually that has already been widely known. On several ocasions the earth has been covered entirely by water, and other times, even ice. Scientists call it snowball earth. When this happens the earth eventually rethaws from volcanoes and vents on the ocean floor melting the oceans gradually over time and then releasing large amouns of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere speeding up the warming, bringing us back to a water planet.

Think about it. The planet is made up almost entirely of water.

 

[chaseter]

Please give me links of proof that the entire Earth has been covered by water after the creation of the continents. Please give me proof that land that once existed was then covered by water that killed off all the fauna and flora.

 

[A&W]

The solar system is not a celestial body. The galaxy is not a celestial body. They are both made up of celestial bodies.

can you confirm it? before I posted I checked the dictionary, and it said "natural objects in the sky" which could include everything I mentioned.

wiki answer gave me the following

Basically anything that is found in outer space. Celestial body or more commonly known as "astronomical objects" are significant physical entities, associations or structures which science has confirmed to exist in outer space.

than I looked up astronomical objects which included everything I mentioned plus more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_object

so I can't say for certainty.

 

[chaseter]

can you confirm it? before I posted I checked the dictionary, and it said "natural objects in the sky" which could include everything I mentioned.

wiki answer gave me the following


than I looked up astronomical objects which included everything I mentioned plus more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_object

I didn't say that comets and asteroids weren't celestial bodies. As it states in the link, they are physical objects. The solar system is not a physical object nor is a galaxy. They are made up of physical objects.

 

[A&W]

Please give me links of proof that the entire Earth has been covered by water after the creation of the continents. Please give me proof that land that once existed was then covered by water that killed off all the fauna and flora.

I never said there was proof that the fauna and flora were killed off, and I never said there was proof that the mayans came from an ark of people who survived the last 2012 scenario.

As for the earth being covered in water? Hell you could just go read up on the history of the earth. Ain't you ever watched the discovery channel? Hell the snowball earth documentary is on all the time.

Plus think about it. In a giant asteroid hits the earth how is not going to create gigantic tsunamis that cover the continents temporarily? The earth's oceans would go flying all over the place. Don't now accuse of saying an asterois is about to hit us. I'm just saying you haven't really thought out the fact that our planet is almost entirely made of water, so to assume it's never been covered in something it's mostly made out of is quite absurd. Of course it has.

But here you can read up on snowball earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_earth

 

[A&W]

I didn't say that comets and asteroids weren't celestial bodies. As it states in the link, they are physical objects. The solar system is not a physical object nor is a galaxy. They are made up of physical objects.

I'm pretty sure the solar system counts as an object. At minimum it counts as a association of objects or structure of objects.

Heck it counts as a physical object. It exists. It takes up space. It has matter. It counts as an object in every aspect of the definition.

but regardless were deabting and exploring the possiblity of the end of the world. not what counts as an object and what doesn't, and still there lies no explanation to how the Mayans knew things we didn't know untill very rescently. the kind of things you need a hubble telescope for. How in the heck were they able to discover the existence of galaxies, black holes, and then the center of the galaxy. How?

 

[chaseter]

That is what I said...it is an association of objects. It is made up of objects. We don't count a school of fish as one fish. We don't count a flock of sheep as one sheep. An aggregation of objects is not an object itself.

 

[Alex The Great]

Hey, the pole reversal thing is really the only scientifically POSSIBLE thing to happen.....Will my car be fueled up on that day? you bet.

Do I beleive the world will end? No!

But, keep an eye out.

 

[A&W]

the warnings from nasa about how solar flares are going to disrupt cell phones, televisions, satelites, radios, and the internet only make me even more worried. that is so conveinent in terms of keeping it a secret. the world could be going to hell and we wont even be able to turn on the television and hear about it. and coincedence it occurs right after the alignment. magnetic fields do effect things. look at coriollis. It completely changes which direction water flows down a drain. clockwise or counterclockwise. if the earth's magnetic field can effect the movement and rotation of objects, than perhaps the magnetic field of the galaxy can effect the rotation and movement of the earth. A lot of this is over my head. It has to do with magnetism. But it sounds completely possible that this force can have huge implications for earth. Plus didn't an ice age occur roughly about the same time the last allignment occured? Well it is possible that form having the continents temporarily covered in water, and temporarily having polar regions right at the equator, that light and heat were reflected back into space causing the last ice age.

coincedences do happen, and I'm hoping that is all this is. but I am worried and scared. It's so many astronomical coincedences at one time plus the mystery of how the mayans became so advanced scientifically.

At this point nobody can say for certainty one way or the other, because you don't know who to believe. But I've now seen enough to at least hope that the governments of the world are preparing to repopulate the earth just in case. Hell I would be dead, but the continuation of our species is pretty important. In some ways it's kind of a stress reliever because it means just about everything I was ever worried about in my own future is then pretty meaningless. Plus it could give the human race a fresh start with a sense of urgency to unite because the survivors would need each other. The human race is pretty ugly. Perhaps in it's current form it shouldn't continue.

 

[Alex The Great]

Please tell me you're not one of those ''Government is out to get us!'' crazies

 

[A&W]

Please tell me you're not one of those ''Government is out to get us!'' crazies

Never have been. In fact I consider myself a communist.

edit... here is to hoping I didn't accidentally lay down seeds for somebody to go off topic and turn this into a thread of small government verses big government or capitalism verses communism.

 

[A&W]

this is the only conspiracy theory or doomsday theory I have ever given the time of day. this is the only time I've ever felt afraid of looking crazy to others while expressing my beliefs or concerns as well.

 

[Carcharodon]

There is no scientific basis for the assumption that a reversal in the earth's magnetic field will create tsunamis. Not one little bit.