Homecoming The Zendaya is Mary Jane thread

[harryoscop]

Prior to this movie, casting is something Marvel has always gotten 110%. right.

 

[KalvinEllis]

I hope that if Dc cast Poison Ivy one day, the actress they pick will have red hair.

 

[Chesterfield]

I never pictured Peter Parker having jungle fever

Everyone gets it at one time or another. There's no escaping it.

 

[Chesterfield]

Prior to this movie, casting is something Marvel has always gotten 110%. right.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm starting to warm back up to it, but one thing I know I'll be in the minority about is that I don't find Zendaya all that attractive and they seem to be diverging from the typical MJ and making it about her "finding her true self." So to speak.

We'll see...I'm still really excited about the movie.

 

[harryoscop]

Ganke Ned Lee says hi.

 

[Art Vandelay]

As spideboy said on another thread, it's not "just" the ethnicity but the way they're portraying the character and developing. So, I'm sorry if people want to get mad at me being mad about changing characters and races for the sake of changing or to be "liberal" or "progressive" but I'm getting very sick and tired of it, being labeled racist because "Oh, I don't like the idea of Idris Elba as Heimdall (should've been Blade) or Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie (should've been an actual blonde actress) or this possible casting" when all this is and becomes is simply PC pandering and nothing more. Like I said, there are PLENTY of redheaded actresses out there and yes, Kristen Dunst wasn't a real redhead but they sure as hell made it believable that she was one.

They had a real chance to find an actual redhead but they blew it.

Sorry if I care about the character and was hoping under Marvel's watch, they would honor her.

So....

You care more about Mary Jane as some wank off fantasy, than her as a character.

 

[Flint Marko]

Whoa, has Harry seen the movie? I can only assume he's seen the movie, as claiming Marvel miscast someone is only something one can say if you have seen the finished product. Surely he wouldn't be saying something so definitive based on nothing more than rigid fanboy dogma.

Spoiler

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

You care more about Mary Jane as some wank off fantasy, than her as a character.

Lol. Where in the hell are you getting that from me?

Kind of out of left field there, buddy.

 

[FlareKnight]

Prior to this movie, casting is something Marvel has always gotten 110%. right.

I don't want to bring grammar in here, but I'm too confused to avoid it. That "." after 100% makes me unsure what you are trying to say. That Marvel has gotten their casting 110% or "yeah right" Marvel has gotten their casting 110%. Maybe it's the early hour that has me lost there .

Either way I don't agree they have. A lot of them have been really good, but not all of them. Personally I never cared for Don Cheadle as War Machine, thought Terrence Howard was way better in the role. Sure, they did have to find someone else because of contracts and such but....still not as good a casting for me .

It's not like Marvel can't screw up, they just usually avoid it.

 

[Flint Marko]

So, I'm sorry if people want to get mad at me being mad about changing characters and races for the sake of changing or to be "liberal" or "progressive" but I'm getting very sick and tired of it, being labeled racist because "Oh, I don't like the idea of Idris Elba as Heimdall (should've been Blade) or Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie (should've been an actual blonde actress) or this possible casting" when all this is and becomes is simply PC pandering and nothing more.

I don't think you are racist at all if you want characters to look how they originally did in the source material. I've actively fought against that notion here for years.

However, the bolded is nonsense. Remember how awesome Idris Elba was as Heimdall? Have you seen how great of an actress Tessa Thompson is? Have you read the numerous reports about how great Zendaya was in the footage at comic-con?

They're not hiring people based on skin color or PC pandering, they are doing so based on talent. Again, we are talking about what can reasonably be called the best casting department in all of Hollywood.

 

[DrCosmic]

Sorry if I care about the character and was hoping under Marvel's watch, they would honor her.

If you cared about the character, you would talk about the character.

And this is the only Spiderboy that I pay any heed to:

 

[harryoscop]

Whoa, has Harry seen the movie? I can only assume he's seen the movie, as claiming Marvel miscast someone is only something one can say if you have seen the finished product. Surely he wouldn't be saying something so definitive based on nothing more than rigid fanboy dogma.[/b

Spoiler

More like based on the fact that I have working eye retinas and reading comprehension above a five year-old kid. There's nothing anybody can say to me that will convince me Jacob Batalon isn't playing a version of Ganke Lee with the name Ned Leeds' smacked on top of his head with scotch tape. He's nothing like Ned Leeds from the comics. It's so blatantly obvious, dude.

And I'm fine and excited for Zendaya's MJ, no problem with her,

 

[BoredGuy]

Well this thread is about as terrible as I expected

I don't really have an issue with the change is she ends up looking this

Spoiler

gorgeous in the film

my only apprehension would be that I haven't seen a damn thing this girl has been in, and generally them Disney stars tend to give me a bit of concern when I hear they have to try to 'act' in things I intend on watching

 

[Chip Chipperson]

As spideboy said on another thread, it's not "just" the ethnicity but the way they're portraying the character and developing. So, I'm sorry if people want to get mad at me being mad about changing characters and races for the sake of changing or to be "liberal" or "progressive" but I'm getting very sick and tired of it, being labeled racist because "Oh, I don't like the idea of Idris Elba as Heimdall (should've been Blade) or Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie (should've been an actual blonde actress) or this possible casting" when all this is and becomes is simply PC pandering and nothing more. Like I said, there are PLENTY of redheaded actresses out there and yes, Kristen Dunst wasn't a real redhead but they sure as hell made it believable that she was one.

They had a real chance to find an actual redhead but they blew it.

Sorry if I care about the character and was hoping under Marvel's watch, they would honor her.

So....

might wanna delete that pic before the mods crack down on ya, man

 

[Dark Raven]

As spideboy said on another thread, it's not "just" the ethnicity but the way they're portraying the character and developing. So, I'm sorry if people want to get mad at me being mad about changing characters and races for the sake of changing or to be "liberal" or "progressive" but I'm getting very sick and tired of it, being labeled racist because "Oh, I don't like the idea of Idris Elba as Heimdall (should've been Blade) or Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie (should've been an actual blonde actress) or this possible casting" when all this is and becomes is simply PC pandering and nothing more. Like I said, there are PLENTY of redheaded actresses out there and yes, Kristen Dunst wasn't a real redhead but they sure as hell made it believable that she was one.

They had a real chance to find an actual redhead but they blew it.

Sorry if I care about the character and was hoping under Marvel's watch, they would honor her.

So....

You might want to get rid of that meme as it's got obscenities which isn't allowed here. And also, that meme is dumb anyway, because saying you "could" give X or you "could" care less is not only grammatically incorrect but totally contradicts what you want to say.

I assume you're wanting to say you have reached the minimal limit of how much you are able to care about something. Now for argument's sake, if the amount you care is 5%, and you say you could care less about something, then it means you could still go to 3% or 1% of caring about something. It means you haven't reached your absolute limit of how little you could care, because there's still lower you could go.

The correct thing is "I couldn't care less" - ie you could not go any lower than you are right now.

 

[FlareKnight]

If you cared about the character, you would talk about the character.

And this is the only Spiderboy that I pay any heed to:

You do realize that a person's body is somewhat connected to them? If my friends transforms into a purple dinosaur I'm going to be concerned. The body of a character is certainly part of the character. You can argue how important it is, or a percentage of what makes the character, but it is definitely part of them. Your body is part of you. Good luck getting by without it.

We are not at the point where a character's appearance is not part of their character. It is.

 

[JC00]

Other source are corroborating it

New York Magazine, Vulture, Devin Faraci and Marvelous Realm.

WRONG.

They all cite The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez


PROOF



Marvelous Realm-

Is citing Vulture in their tweet

https://***********/MarvelousRealm/status/766443900986728448


Vulture in their article cite The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez

Now, after a report from the Wrap, it appears that Zendaya's real role has come to light.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/08/zendaya-is-playing-an-iconic-spider-man-role.html


Devin Faraci is also citing The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez

Teen star Zendaya has been cast in Spider-Man: Homecoming, but it's not been clear what character she's playing. Now a report from The Wrap indicates that her role is an incredibly familiar one

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/18/zendayas-spider-man-role-could-break-the-internet


and New York Magazine is the parent company of Vulture. Vulture is their entertainment news.

See for yourself, here is the link to NYM's movie section http://nymag.com/movies/ click the Mary Jane/Zendaya link it directs you to The Vulture article that cites The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez



So none of these are other independent sources, they all cite The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez

 

[Pokkle]

I was speaking about movie.

This actress look good for the role, but the whole child in an adult body in Gotham is so wrong.

 

[Flint Marko]

More like based on the fact that I have working eye retinas and reading comprehension above a five year-old kid. There's nothing anybody can say to me that will convince me Jacob Batalon isn't playing a version of Ganke Lee with the name Ned Leeds' smacked on top of his head with scotch tape. He's nothing like Ned Leeds from the comics. It's so blatantly obvious, dude.

And I'm fine and excited for Zendaya's MJ, no problem with her,

If you haven't seen the movie you don't know what the character's role is in this iteration and how it will play into the story, so you can't say whether or not he's miscast unless you are, again, basing this off rigid fanboy dogma.

I guess we can put Ned Leeds right alongside the Mandarin and the Tinkerer as character's from the comic books no one gave a **** about until they were changed around for the movies. Seriously, Ned Leeds?

 

[NotNickFury]

Prior to this movie, casting is something Marvel has always gotten 110%. right.

Heh. Liv Tyler and Mickey Rourke say different, but sure. Marvel has done no wrong. I disagree.

 

[DigificWriter]

One of the standard rules of journalism is to "corroborate and confirm", but that hasn't been happening... hence why I think jumping on this "Zendaya is MJ" train is premature.

 

[Flint Marko]

Heh. Liv Tyler and Mickey Rourke say different, but sure. Marvel has done no wrong. I disagree.

I'll concede to Liv Tyler and Edward Norton, but that was back when Marvel was still a fledgling independent studio.

 

[NotNickFury]

I'll concede to Liv Tyler and Edward Norton, but that was back when Marvel was still a fledgling independent studio.

That doesn't make the casting any less bad than it was. Doesn't get a pass because the Marvel of then isn't the Marvel of today. And what's worse is that Norton and Tyler, among other examples like Rourke or Natalie Portman in Thor 2, have shown they have prowess. Less so in some Marvel Studios' films.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Wat? They were all the right hair color.. At least in the movie they were.

Dunst isn't a red head. The other chick wasnt blonde.


Z can dye her hair for the role when its time to do so.