supermarvelman said:
Most people think I'm crazy, but the whole point of the Ultimate Universe was to recreate characters in the modern world, and having a second chance to redo things that where messed up the first time around, something that DC could use.
I don't think you're crazy. I just think you're stupid.
supermarvelman said:
All this Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis crap, one day Wonder Women helped form the JLA the next she didn't, then she did, DC tries to redo things all the time
I prefer entertainment that doesn't just take the easy way out. It shows a lack of respect for the material, and for the readers, to do what Marvel has done with Ultimate. Of course, that's not suprising--they've never respected the material, or the readers. Reboots erase everything about a character--why are we supposed to give a damn about Ultimate Spiderman? He's a completely different character, with an old name, familiar powers, and a similar suit slapped on him. He's not the same guy. He just looks a little like a guy we used to know.
Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis are not that hard to grasp. See, once upon a time there were the first ten or fifteen years of DC continuity. These are what's called "The Golden Age," and they occurred in what we call "Earth-2." Then there about thirty more years of DC continuity, called "The Silver Age," (detecting a pattern here?) and they occurred in what we call "Earth-1." (Again, there seems to be some sort of inscrutable progression. At first it appears random, but somehow, if only our feeble human minds could grasp the formula that goes into it, we could hope to understand this massive, mind-defying equation.)
Then there was a thing called "Crisis on Infinite Earths." It's often called "Crisis." (Whoa! Whole new factor! Too...tough...to comprehend...) Crisis basically deleted Earth-2 from continuity. No more Earth-2 stories. It also cleaned up some continuity glitches from the past 40 years those were bound to happen, back before people gave a **** about them--now they still happen, except they're on purpose, perpetrated by moronic writers who think they can tell everybody's origin story better than the people who ****in' invented the characters, and whatnot. I call these morons "Marvel's writers." The moron who facilitates them is known as "Joe Quesada." As a brief aside, "Joe" has an unhealthy fixation on characters not smoking. He needs to stop doing what is known as "projecting his grief over the death of his father onto everyone else. No one cares, bro. It's your dad, not mine. Stop moralizing. It doesn't really work. I mean, I know I started smoking because Deadshot does, but still..."
Anyway, Crisis cleaned up some old glitches, and made DC readable and continuous. A couple more cleanups were necessary later, most notably in Zero Hour, which tread pretty much the same ground as Crisis, except it also shat all over the character of Hal Jordan, and Infinite Crisis, which recreated all the alternate Earths, then destroyed them again, and also managed to erase and reimagine continuity for hopefully the last time.
Now here comes the really tough part (tougher than what you've already said? Oh NO!) All the stuff BEFORE the Crisis is known as "Pre-Crisis." I'll pause to let you process that.
Now all the stuff AFTER the Crisis is known as "Post-Crisis." Again, this is ****in' complex stuff, up there with quantam physics. Major brain-puzzlers right here.
As for what, specifically, was changed, such as the Wonder Woman thing, DC put this handy-dandy little feature in the back of 52 called "History of the DC Universe." Totally brings you up to speed on all the changes. Hell, even Infinite Crisis itself did some of that. So quit whining, read the damn books if you're so tight-assed about them, and enjoy the work of a company that respects its characters and readers too much to just say...
"Uh...continuity glitches...mess-up...Ah, **** it, let's just redo the whole thing."
supermarvelman said:
they just need to Ultimize, because unless you've been following DC for a very long time or your willing to do a lot of research things get kinda confusing.
And it's nothing short of embarrassing when a noob with less than ten posts owns your ass because you're so easily confused.
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