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Things You Want & Don’t Want For The First MCU FF Film

DON'T WANT:

The FF to be based on the Ultimate Comics
The FF to be a bunch of teenage geniuses
Sue to be a super genius (because woke stuff) - Reed needs to stand apart
The whole team to be the same age
A "body horror" movie
 
I dont want Sue to be a scientist specifically. I think if she is a scientist, it kind of limits the tension. Reed and Sue have issues in part cause Reed is very married to his work, and if they both are scientists there is no reason they cannot do science together, and thus tension gone. She needs another focus.
 
Sue doesn't need to be a super genius, she just needs to have competency such that there is a good reason for her to be on their initial origin story mission. "Reed wants to get in my pants" is not a good reason.
 
Sue doesn't need to be a super genius, she just needs to have competency such that there is a good reason for her to be on their initial origin story mission. "Reed wants to get in my pants" is not a good reason.

Sue needs updated. No argument there. I would say there are options, but one solution I can think of off hand is maybe make her an astronaut and part of her role is to train the non-astronauts for space travel. That is one suggestion. They can do a lot with her. I would just avoid science
 
If they turn Reed into a bumbling idiot and Sue into the super genius i will personally boycott this movie
 
I think her being doctor would fit really well.

It fills in a missing element of the FF, they have a scientist, engineer, and pilot so all that's missing is a medic.

It fits Sue's personality of wanting to help people and being a people person

It doesn't infringe on Reed's territory so the tension over his obsession with science is still there and she doesn't look useless compared to the smartest man.

Her father was a surgeon in comics and kids of doctors/surgeons often follow their parents profession.

Also, you can do interesting things with her powers combined with that profession:
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It just fits incredibly well to me.
 
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Given we now know 'time travel' is a 'thing' in the MCU, I'd want a 60's setting, an original (as it was conceived') feel to it.

Also lets have Doom, done properly and given true meaning this time.

I say take it back to the original concept, present them as the first family of Marvel, give them the credit they deserve.
 
I get the intention, but at this point, setting in the '60s would just feel like an admission that they can't really persevere outside of that time period. I think that's the perception it would give off. And I don't agree with that.
 
I don't want the film to be a basic superhero flick, but with a family. It should be a huge adventure film like Indiana Jones not another Avengers-like film.
 
I don't want the film to be a basic superhero flick, but with a family. It should be a huge adventure film like Indiana Jones not another Avengers-like film.

i dont think it should be like Indiana Jones either. More like the MCU version of Galaxy Quest
 
i dont think it should be like Indiana Jones either. More like the MCU version of Galaxy Quest

In terms of the feeling of an epic adventure, that's what it should take from it but with a much bigger scope. Instead of adventuring around the world they adventure across the cosmos/dimensions.
 
I just thought of another thing I absolutely DO NOT WANT:

I do not want Dr. Doom to have powers (maybe some meddling in black magic).
And more specifically, he should not get his powers in the accident that gives the FF their powers.
But Doom should NOT have powers.
 
I just thought of another thing I absolutely DO NOT WANT:

I do not want Dr. Doom to have powers (maybe some meddling in black magic).
And more specifically, he should not get his powers in the accident that gives the FF their powers.
But Doom should NOT have powers.

i think Doom should be a hybrid of Tony Stark in terms of tech prowess and Doctor Strange an expert in the mystic arts. So he isnt BORN with powers but through his superior intellect and internal drive ACQUIRES powers
 
A 60's setting is an idea I've never liked. I've just never seen what it would add to the characters and the FF shouldn't be a time displaced team.

I don't want a cast on the younger side either. My ideal age range for the characters are Reed and Ben being in their late 30s/early 40s, Sue early 30s, and Johnny early 20s.
 
A 60's setting is an idea I've never liked. I've just never seen what it would add to the characters and the FF shouldn't be a time displaced team.
Most people who like the '60s setting idea are those who think the team doesn't work in the modern era. The reason they seem to think that is because their movies haven't really worked. But we haven't seen them given a movie that really draws on the charm and Lee/Kirby energy, they haven't really been given a chance yet. The 2005 movie was probably the closest, because it seemed to get the Ben/Johnny chemistry right. But that's just half the team, plus they ruined Dr. Doom.

I see no reason why the FF shouldn't work in the present time. If you put them in the '60s, then they can't really interact with the rest of the Marvel Universe. Sounds like they may plan to put their origin in the '60s, then strand them in the quantum universe, where they don't age, giving them a kind of Captain America "heroes out of time" vibe that they were never meant to have.

The only thing I see that accomplishing is establishing them as an earlier superhero team than the Avengers, but they would still presumably be predated by the Invaders, if that ever becomes a thing.
 
A 60's setting is an idea I've never liked. I've just never seen what it would add to the characters and the FF shouldn't be a time displaced team.

I don't want a cast on the younger side either. My ideal age range for the characters are Reed and Ben being in their late 30s/early 40s, Sue early 30s, and Johnny early 20s.

i would argue that Steve and Bucky being from another era adds to their characters. Feige knows what he is doing. If he decides to do it like Cap or make them more modern, it will make perfect sense
 
Most people who like the '60s setting idea are those who think the team doesn't work in the modern era. The reason they seem to think that is because their movies haven't really worked. But we haven't seen them given a movie that really draws on the charm and Lee/Kirby energy, they haven't really been given a chance yet. The 2005 movie was probably the closest, because it seemed to get the Ben/Johnny chemistry right. But that's just half the team, plus they ruined Dr. Doom.

I see no reason why the FF shouldn't work in the present time. If you put them in the '60s, then they can't really interact with the rest of the Marvel Universe. Sounds like they may plan to put their origin in the '60s, then strand them in the quantum universe, where they don't age, giving them a kind of Captain America "heroes out of time" vibe that they were never meant to have.

The only thing I see that accomplishing is establishing them as an earlier superhero team than the Avengers, but they would still presumably be predated by the Invaders, if that ever becomes a thing.

Honestly, I think most of the "Period Piece" fervor is primarily about trying to avoid an origin story. If they are new heroes that implicitly means their origin happens in the present, whereas if they are timelost 60s throwbacks you can theoretically skip their origin because it happened in the past.

Which is, bluntly, a *stupid* idea, most of all because there is absolutely nothing wrong with an origin story. New heroes need to be introduced, not to explain how their phlebotinum works, but to dramatize their wants and desires and personality for the audience, so that the audience actually cares what happens to these people. Sometimes you can get away with doing so really quickly ( Black Panther in Civil War ), but to take an entire team and not make the first story about who they are and where they come from? Utter nonsense.
 
Honestly, I think most of the "Period Piece" fervor is primarily about trying to avoid an origin story.
I think you have to say something about their origin, but I don't want to see a whole movie dedicated to it. It could be done in flashback with a brief summary. That served Batman well for years. In the first FF comic, I think they summarized their origin in the space of a page or two.

I keep hearing all these rumors that we're going to be seeing some of the FF members doing guest appearances on some of the other shows, especially the series. So if that happens it should give us a good idea of whether or not the FF will get their powers in the present, or if they've had them for the past 60 years (seems unlikely).
 
I dont want the ho hum cliche MCU humour. Personally I think it is overplayed and has overstayed its welcome.

if anyone will be funny just Johnny please and no one else- ESPECIALLY NOT DOOM for petes sakes
 
I dont want the ho hum cliche MCU humour. Personally I think it is overplayed and has overstayed its welcome.

if anyone will be funny just Johnny please and no one else- ESPECIALLY NOT DOOM for petes sakes


I feel like the humor has lost a step. Toward the beginning it felt natural and fit the situations and characters

Lately it feels more forced and distracting.

Humor can be very difficult and needs just the right balance. Either too much or too little can kill a story.

And that’s one of many reasons I wish we had a more experienced and proven writing and directing team.
 
I didn’t hear a single laugh when I saw Thor love and thunder.

you mean you guys don’t want a doom that says stuff like “that sounded better in my head” or “at least I don’t have to do my homework”
 
I didn’t hear a single laugh when I saw Thor love and thunder.

you mean you guys don’t want a doom that says stuff like “that sounded better in my head” or “at least I don’t have to do my homework”


I use my wife as a barometer because she isn’t too close to these things and watches as a casual viewer.

Love and Thunder drove her crazy, because it had kids endangered my a creepy madman - which she thought was pretty intense and serious.

But then the heroes were yucking it up like a bunch of buffoons who didn’t give a s*** what happened to the kids.

Humor is great when it’s used properly. Real life has humor, so some humor in some situations doesn’t just work but is necessary to make us feel like the characters are real and therefore the danger is real.

When it’s overdone, audiences lose interest in the characters and don’t care what happens to them.

And I think some of the Snyder stuff illustrates what happens when there is too little humor. Too little humor also feels unnatural and makes us lose interest in characters who don’t feel real because they’re too serious.
 
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I mean, it’s like to have a younger team so marvel can maximise their franchise potential. Like, probably not teens but I wouldn’t expect forty years old either
 

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