What evidence tells you this from their two movies?
Marvel always seems to be apologizing for themselves instead of just putting the material out.Thor will probably be explained in some stupid realistic fashion making Thor totally unrealistic.I hate the whole freakin Ultimate concept.(The Hulk is eating people???)At this point he needs to be a villian.What was wrong with the way it was????
I't like saying okay umm we were wrong so let's explain it this way.
I'm not judging Marvel from just two movies.I'm judging from the Animated concepts to T.V shows to Movies etc.
I'm going as far back as I can rememeber even from the early seventies.Until recently DC had always represented their characters better then Marvel.And I'm a bigger marvel fan than Dc.
The problem I just made in the above statement is I don't think Marvel get's it.
DC seems to get this concept.Batman is fiction but he is presented very real.
Even in the first Batman by Tim Burton.I mean it really doesn't get more hookey than that.
Allot of symbolizim,Even Batman Forever the Penguin was thrown into the sewer and grew up there.All fiction and non believeable .BUT!!!! The characters were real.The acters believed it.
We know it's not real all they have to do is present it realistically.Now by the Time Batman and Robin came around you could tell that Clooney really didn't believe the character he was playing.
Yet it was set in a more realistic environment then the Burton Batman.
Superman I was all fantasy outer space spaceships a flying man BUT!!! his problems were real.
So we were able to indentify.It doesn't matter where it is set or who the character is.By Superman 3 with Richard Pryer they no longer took themselves seriously.So why should we.It has to do with whether or not we can connect.Take the first Star Wars for instance outer space another time creatures and such but we could connect with the main character.This was really missing from the newer Star Wars.
November rain you made a comment on TIH about the Hulk comming across as a bully therefore he loses empathy.
Again I agree.
In first Hulk.The Hulk character was able to evoke more sympathy he came across as more innocent.
But the Banner character played by Bana seemed mean and angry to me.
Therefore I could not sympathize with the Hulk as much as I wanted.
In TIH.Norton got it and I felt sympathy for Banner but I couldn't for the Hulk he came across as mean and angry.Now someone is going to say but Hulk is mean and angry.Yes he is but he is more then that.Just mean and angry makes him too one dimensional.That get's boring after a while.Hulk is more than that.I'll prove it below.
Okay so what am I saying.
I am saying that in the T.V. both Banner and Hulk evoked Sympathy Lou and Bixby nailed it.You felt sorry for Banner and Hulk as hokey as it was in the 70's.
He was an everyday guy who messed up and wanted to fix it and it's not his fault for both Hulk and Banner.So we can all relate to that.We connected to them.As fake and as corney we may see it now.
If you took the Norton Banner with the Personality of the Hulk from the first movie.
You would have the formula you need.
I'm not talking CGI or anything of that matter.You have to empathize with both Hulk and Banner that's what makes them two people in one body and yet the same person in both forms that what makes the Hulk a hero.The Hulk should always have Banner's heart.
If you only empathize with Banner than the Hulk is a Villian if you only empathize with the Hulk than Banner is the villian.
So you leave the movie with mixed feelings about the Hulk character.It doesn't matter how good the CGI or Action is.that's why for both films the response was mixed to mediocre.
Okay where am I going as to not get of topic.
You have to be able to connect with the story and or the people in the story.Fiction or not.
That's why Iron man was a hit as riducluos as it seemed that he was being powered by a Battery and built an Armor in a cave.BUT!!!We could connect.Why?Because America is at war opression is prevelent in other countries.So it worked.
I truly apologize for taking so much space but I thought the topic was interesting.
Bottom line is this:
Realistic Fiction
or
Fictional Realism.