Thousands rally for the Jena 6

[kainedamo]

Mayonaise society? Funny, if I were to post something about the chocolate society, I am sure I would get banned. Yet, plenty of remarks can be made in a derrogatory fashion about whites around here with no consequence.

Sounds like you're race-baiting, like the morons Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They must be your idols. Pathetic. NO ONE IS ****ING SAYING that the nooses are any kind of freedom of speech. However, its much less severe than the violence perpetrated by the Jena criminals. If those brutes can't respond without violence, they should be locked up like the animals that they are.

My question is this. Why do a lot of black people rally behind other black people regardless of what they do? It happened with O.J., Tookie Williams, Michael Vick, and now these Jena criminals. It's a legitimate question, and I'd like an answer.

My opinion is this. The Jena 6 are criminals. They did the crime, and they need to do the time. Had it been whites beating up ONE black, it would be lynching and/or a hate crime. But these black people beat up a white guy and now people are rooting for the perpetrators? It's absolutely unacceptable.

The issue my friend is that they were charged very severly.

Yes, they beat up a kid. But he received no permenant harm. In fact, he was walking around in class the next day. The kids that beat him up were going to get charged for attempted murder. Do you think that is right?

In the court, they got badly represented. The cards were stacked against them in a bad way that should never happen in a court of law, regardless of the crime. The only thing these kids did was get in a fight. Yes, what they did was wrong. But is putting them in prison for 20 plus years right?

 

[Holly]

i thought this was a band when i first heard about it

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

The issue my friend is that they were charged very severly.

Yes, they beat up a kid. But he received no permenant harm. In fact, he was walking around in class the next day. The kids that beat him up were going to get charged for attempted murder. Do you think that is right?

In the court, they got badly represented. The cards were stacked against them in a bad way that should never happen in a court of law, regardless of the crime. The only thing these kids did was get in a fight. Yes, what they did was wrong. But is putting them in prison for 20 plus years right?

Well it was actually 2nd degree attempted murder, and whos to say that isn't correct? However, it doesn't matter what you're charged with, but what verdict the jury comes up with. If I am keeping up correctly, didn't all of those charges get bumped down? It is pretty common for the prosecution to aim the steepest charges at defendants so that a "work down" to a more agreeable charge can be achieved. I think the race-baiters just blew this out of proportion as usual.

And it was an all-white jury, but the 150 people called for jury duty included black citizens, and only 50 people appeared, and none of them were black.

Bell has a record of violent crime, so something severe needs to be done about him.

 

[Abaddon]

Mayonaise society? Funny, if I were to post something about the chocolate society, I am sure I would get banned. Yet, plenty of remarks can be made in a derrogatory fashion about whites around here with no consequence.

Sounds like you're race-baiting, like the morons Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They must be your idols. Pathetic. NO ONE IS ****ING SAYING that the nooses are any kind of freedom of speech. However, its much less severe than the violence perpetrated by the Jena criminals. If those brutes can't respond without violence, they should be locked up like the animals that they are.

My question is this. Why do a lot of black people rally behind other black people regardless of what they do? It happened with O.J., Tookie Williams, Michael Vick, and now these Jena criminals. It's a legitimate question, and I'd like an answer.

My opinion is this. The Jena 6 are criminals. They did the crime, and they need to do the time. Had it been whites beating up ONE black, it would be lynching and/or a hate crime. But these black people beat up a white guy and now people are rooting for the perpetrators? It's absolutely unacceptable.

you don't get it.

 

[terry78]

I think this whole thing has just become an "angry white male vs. the angry black male" thing. Each group feels they've gotten ****ed over by the system. The thing is, there are many gray areas.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

you don't get it.

Oh and I suppose you do. Well friend why don't you actually explain to me what it is I don't get.

I think this whole thing has just become an "angry white male vs. the angry black male" thing. Each group feels they've gotten ****ed over by the system. The thing is, there are many gray areas.

You're right. I would say its a good thing because a lot of things are gotten off people's chests, but nothing ever changes and the whole cycle continues.

I do think the situation has been exploited though.

 

[bell110]

I think this whole thing has just become an "angry white male vs. the angry black male" thing. Each group feels they've gotten ****ed over by the system. The thing is, there are many gray areas.

My whole issue is that people were protesting to "Free the Jena 6". It seems everybody is in agreement that they should have some type of charge brought against them. But the protested seemed more about freeing the kids. I didn't see any signs that said, "Charge the Jena 6 with Simple Assult." Racism sucks, but that doesn't mean black people should get a get out of jail free card. This whole thing is passive reverse racism.

 

[terry78]

My whole issue is that people were protesting to "Free the Jena 6". It seems everybody is in agreement that they should have some type of charge brought against them. But the protested seemed more about freeing the kids. I didn't see any signs that said, "Charge the Jena 6 with Simple Assult." Racism sucks, but that doesn't mean black people should get a get out of jail free card. This whole thing is passive reverse racism.

What do you feel should happen to the ones that hung the nooses?

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbc...070922&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=709220329&Ref=V2

A picture of one of the Jena Criminals. He has money all over him, money donated from unknown sources.

"Robert Bailey even posts a page on Myspace stuffing his mouth with hundred dollar bills he's been sent, above a caption that there are no fifties in his stack."

Pictures of Bailey, one of the six black students who have become known as the "Jena Six" after their December arrest in connection with the beating of Barker, showed him with bills in his mouth, fanned in his hands and spread across his body.

As of Friday, the pictures had been taken off of Myspace.com, a social networking Web site. Repeated telephone calls placed Friday to Bailey's mother, Caseptla Bailey, went unreturned."

Wow, gang up on a white kid and then get money! Awesome country we live in!

 

[bell110]

What do you feel should happen to the ones that hung the nooses?

If it was only a stupid prank, they should be expelled. If it was intended to be a threat, some type of charge should be made. I don't know about charging them with an act of terrorism or hate crime. I need to do more research on those. Personally, I don't think those should be in the law. They're too vague. The Jena 6 could also be charged with a hate crime, but that would get more protests.

 

[bell110]

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbc...070922&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=709220329&Ref=V2

A picture of one of the Jena Criminals. He has money all over him, money donated from unknown sources.

"Robert Bailey even posts a page on Myspace stuffing his mouth with hundred dollar bills he's been sent, above a caption that there are no fifties in his stack."

Pictures of Bailey, one of the six black students who have become known as the "Jena Six" after their December arrest in connection with the beating of Barker, showed him with bills in his mouth, fanned in his hands and spread across his body.

As of Friday, the pictures had been taken off of Myspace.com, a social networking Web site. Repeated telephone calls placed Friday to Bailey's mother, Caseptla Bailey, went unreturned."

Wow, gang up on a white kid and then get money! Awesome country we live in!

Wow, way to spit in the face of the people that donated that money for his legal fees.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

As far as the nooses, which is worse? The fact that some nooses were hung or that one person was beaten unconscious by a mob of 6? I think we are losing sight of the true brutality thanks to morons like Sharpton and Jackson.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

My whole issue is that people were protesting to "Free the Jena 6". It seems everybody is in agreement that they should have some type of charge brought against them. But the protested seemed more about freeing the kids. I didn't see any signs that said, "Charge the Jena 6 with Simple Assult." Racism sucks, but that doesn't mean black people should get a get out of jail free card. This whole thing is passive reverse racism.

I agree with you with the exception of the last part--it isn't "reverse racism." It's simple racism. I don't care if it's white on black or black on white or white on yellow or yellow on polka-dot, racism is racism, plain and simple.

 

[BlackLantern]

Wow, way to spit in the face of the people that donated that money for his legal fees.

basicallly....there are two kinds of black people....one kind (myself included) want to break the stereotypes and misconceptions that we are saddled with....the other kind (especially the one who is bathing himself in money) seem to constantly perpertrate those stereotypes and misconceptions.....How are things supposed to get better when no progress can be made because of actions like these....

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Yes, the concept of 'reverse racism' is inherently racist itself; it implies only whites are capable of racism (something my many experiences can disprove). Reverse racism sounds actually like it isn't a bad thing at all. Racism is racism.

basicallly....there are two kinds of black people....one kind (myself included) want to break the stereotypes and misconceptions that we are saddled with....the other kind (especially the one who is bathing himself in money) seem to constantly perpertrate those stereotypes and misconceptions.....How are things supposed to get better when no progress can be made because of actions like these....

I think the problem is that there aren't enough black role models and people standing up and addressing the black issues. Look at Bill Cosby, he stood up and raised some great issues, but he was called an Uncle Tom and ridiculed and hated by many in the black community.

 

[BlackLantern]

the Black community, especially in the south, seems to be stuck in a state of indifference. there is this attitude that they will always be trod upon by white society and I personallly haven't seen that. I am a 28 yo college graduate who works a fulll time job, but when I go to visit relatives in my old neighborhood, I myself am made fun of because I'm not "looking out" for peope....

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm not familiar with what's going on about the Jena 6. What is the controversy about?

As for the racism argument, I am an african american male myself, I'm 26 years old who is in college majoring in Early Childhood Education and I work at a movie theater. South Carolina is mainly african american dominated, however, I've experienced more racism from my own race than from any other race.

Yes, it's sad that I say this, but it's absolutely true. Now with that said there are *******s in every race. Whether they're black, white, yellow, green, or whatever. There's an ******* in every race and once everyone understands and accepts that fact I'm sure it'll be somewhat saner.

I am an african american who listens to heavy metal, classic rock, soft rock, classical music, and according to them, anyone who listens to that type of music and speaks properly is an Uncle Tom. But I'd greatly appreciate if someone explained to me what is this Jena 6?

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

But I'd greatly appreciate if someone explained to me what is this Jena 6?

It's actually pretty complicated. You can start learning about it here, and then follow the links at the bottom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_6

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm not familiar with what's going on about the Jena 6. What is the controversy about?

As for the racism argument, I am an african american male myself, I'm 26 years old who is in college majoring in Early Childhood Education and I work at a movie theater. South Carolina is mainly african american dominated, however, I've experienced more racism from my own race than from any other race.

Yes, it's sad that I say this, but it's absolutely true. Now with that said there are *******s in every race. Whether they're black, white, yellow, green, or whatever. There's an ******* in every race and once everyone understands and accepts that fact I'm sure it'll be somewhat saner.

I am an african american who listens to heavy metal, classic rock, soft rock, classical music, and according to them, anyone who listens to that type of music and speaks properly is an Uncle Tom. But I'd greatly appreciate if someone explained to me what is this Jena 6?

same here .....28 yo college grad working for an internet company in the correspondece dept. big fan of rock....but I speak with proper diction, so I am a sellout according to some.....

 

[LastSunrise1981]

After reading the link it appears we as humans haven't evolved at all. From my perspective it seems everything leading to this started after someone elses childish antics.

Bottom line? Both sides are in the wrong and it's time to stop singling out one particular race or one person. Punish both of them to the fullest extent and these silly arguments will stop.

The Tool song "Right in Two" sums up humanity as a whole in my opinion.

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one you're bound to divide it
Right in two

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they forge a blade
And where there's one they're bound to divide it
Right in two

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club,
And beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability,
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

 

[Abaddon]

Oh and I suppose you do. Well friend why don't you actually explain to me what it is I don't get.

The hypocrisy

A black youth was attacked by a gang of white kids at a party. Those responsible received no punishment. A white man pulled a loaded rifle on a group of black men at a convenience store. When one of the men wrestled the weapon away from the assailant, he was arrested and charged with felony theft (conversely, the white man received on a $5,000 fine for carrying a loaded weapon). At another party, a group of black students attacked Justin Barker, a fellow student frequently named as an instigator in many of the events leading up to this altercation. Barker was taken to the hospital, released the same day and even felt well enough to attend a party later that night. The six youths arrested for beating him were charged with second degree attempted murder and each faced up to100 years in prison.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/the-jena-6-are-not-economically-viable/

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

The hypocrisy

LOL. Providing a link from a "radical newsletter" doesn't help your point.

First of all, there are many, MANY cases where one person or group did something to another group and someone gets away with it. O.J. Simpson? Hello? And now look at him. Committing yet another crime.

Secondly, the lack of prosecution on one case has NOTHING to do with another case, verdict-wise. Yes, its a wonderful way to deflect responsiblilty from the 6 people who committed a crime by beating 1 person unconscious.

Basically, what I am saying, is that a crime shouldn't be dismissed because another crime wasn't properly handled.

These whiny Jena 6 supporters don't want equal treatment, they want the 6 criminals to GO FREE. That is simply unacceptable.

 

[Abaddon]

LOL. Providing a link from a "radical newsletter" doesn't help your point.

Give me a source that hasn't shown any bias.

First of all, there are many, MANY cases where one person or group did something to another group and someone gets away with it. O.J. Simpson? Hello? And now look at him. Committing yet another crime. [/quote]

Yes, and?

Secondly, the lack of prosecution on one case has NOTHING to do with another case, verdict-wise. Yes, its a wonderful way to deflect responsibilty from the 6 people who committed a crime by beating 1 person unconscious.

It's not about deflecting responsibility but recognizing a pattern.

Basically, what I am saying, is that a crime shouldn't be dismissed because another crime wasn't properly handled

.
and I don't disagree.

These whiny Jena 6 supporters don't want equal treatment, they want the 6 criminals to GO FREE. That is simply unacceptable.

Well obviously there is some misinformation involved in the case(one of the six is being charged severely because he already has a criminal record), but this one case isn't something new to Jena, and there seems to be a history of unfair treatment that at least on the surface is race-related, and one can see why people are upset.

 

[Fred_Fury]

I still dont know, or care, about this whole "jenna 6" bull****.

 

[Abaddon]

Well good job voicing your indifference in a thread discussing it.